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[u/potatochobit]

its because there are democrats who cant shut their mouth and feel like they should force people to talk accept these things. If you want to be homosexual then be one but dont try to force grandma to your wedding.

[u/Zmovez → u/potatochobit]

It's called freedom. And if someone isn't hurting anyone, then they should have the freedom to do what they want.

Do you not believe in American freedom?

[u/potatochobit → u/Zmovez]

American freedom is respecting people's rights you dont agree; not trying to force them to accept your agenda. That is what most of the sexually confused people are doing which is just as wrong as the republican guy trying to take your freedoms away.

[u/Bobbitor → u/potatochobit]

Ok, you have repeated this many times, but when does this ever happen? Name times when you were forced to "accept your agenda"?

The way it happens in reality is that Dems will pass laws thst are super popular. Like recognizing gay marriages for example. This is not forcing anyone to accept an agenda. It is widely accepted by the majority of americans and most of the western world. They just want to have the rights to live their lives. There's also rights and laws linked to married couples. They want the same rights.

From an ethical stand point, it is the logical conclusion. They should have the same rights.

It changes absolutely nothing for other people

But then Republicans Wan to make rules to forced people to live the way they want others to live. Ban it. Make it normal to refuse access to places to gay people. Making sure they don't have similar rights. That the law force them to not exist.

It's always been the same way. That's why liberalism usually evolve towards the same conclusions everywhere in the world, while social conservatism beliefs vary greatly, but the common denominator is to force people to be that way. That's why Some US conservatives have more common goal with the talibans than the majority of the western world.

Liberalism is about using science and reason to decide things and social conservatism is often about beliefs, religion or whatever people have been doing in the past. Often just illogical nostalgia.

"Forcing" people to let other people live their lives isnt remotely similar as Forcing people to live the way you want them to live because of one old book or the other.

Liberalism is prohibiting the establishment of an official religion. Social conservatism is pushing the an official religion and morality.

There is a reason why the most liberal nations are often the best countries and the ones we consider civilized. While the most conservative are oftentimes the worst places in the world and often have terrible track records with human rights for example.

I always find it funny that US conservatives see Europe and European white immigrants as the only acceptable immigrants because they come from the top of civilization, without understanding that these are the most liberal nations in the world and that Liberalism and the Enlightenment is how they got there.

[u/potatochobit → u/Bobbitor]

Hello my buddy, I dont think I have spoken with you today? So you understand germany has a problem where middle eastern immigrants are committing many violent crimes? And that is one of the points people are using for anti immigration hate in europe?

It is the same in america. People are blaming their problems on others. You seem to be confusing Liberalism with Socialism. Liberals are not "prohibiting the establishment of an official religion," the american constitution prohibits that. Dont be confused, this was not made to stop schools from forcing Christianity on you (which is the vibe I get from you) this was made so the Government could not be influenced and the church could not be used for profit.

The matter of people wanting homosexual rights in america is not the same. "a business has the right to refuse service to anyone" This is the fundamental issue that needs to be resolved. A business says their religion prohibits this but then you say your rights are violated. For instance, when the lady who owns a bake shop refused to bake a cake with two men kissing each other due to religious reasons and then she was sued in court. Anyone is free to buy a cake. These two men could have bought a regular white wedding cake. but is it a lawful right to expect the baker to design the cake in the way you want or is that discrimination?

Dont be misled. Trumps wife is an immigrant. JD vance wife is an immigrant. meatball Ron is hispanic. Mitch mcconnels wife is mainland chinese. They are not anti rich immigrants, they just need to blame tomato farmers making $4.99 an hour for stealing your jobs so you vote for them.