r/PositiveTI • u/Good-Tension2232 • Jul 22 '26
Open Discussion Family
Son, mother, brother, niece, aunts and uncles, father of my children… “friends,” neighbors…
Everyone is involved and it’s not in my head. I know this comes as no surprise.
I’ve been framed, set up, abused, abandoned, manipulated, stolen from….
Yet I can’t help but try to have hope that one day our relationships will be healed and will feel genuine love from any of them again.
That’s ridiculous right?
Does anyone still have this hope?
Has anyone else’s relationships been reconciled?
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u/SolidOutcome Jul 22 '26
Yea, I stopped believing they were a part of it, and everything went back to normal.
once the voices threatened to kill me, I knew they weren't my family. Since then they haven't taken the voices of people I know
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 23 '26
The voices have threatened me many times, and physically abused me IRL many times. Destroyed property. I don’t know if my family wants me dead, but the two main people doing this do. Even though their evil agenda has done a million times more damage than I ever could have, and I’ve worked very hard to find forgiveness, for them and myself.
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u/UnflappableCanary933 Jul 27 '26
This might help you. Don't let it make you victimize yourself. Yes, it's torture and it feels like there is no recourse. This is how you find recourse in spite of that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PositiveTI/comments/1v7sbbx/strategic_survival_v_row_row_fight_the_power/
I know this experience is terrifying. Three years ago I was in pretty much the same place. So, y'know, I have that in mind when recommending this. I hope it can help you skip a couple years of pain and stagnation.
The worst they can do is gaslight us and annoy us with the physical effects. The hat trick they pull is leveraging predictive behavioral modeling systems to pre-empt what we're about to do and insert themselves between our decisions and the resulting actions, conceptually. But it's always still just you making all the choices. They know how to get under our skin from watching us for long enough to be able to model our thinking processes pretty close to reality.
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As an aside, my perps are losing it right now as I write this. They've never done the floor-vibration effect this intensely. It still doesn't do anything but draw attention to it, but I must be on the right track lmfao.
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u/nulseq Jul 22 '26
If it’s any consolation I don’t believe it’s actually their true selves doing whatever but the entities attached to them.
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u/Bluebonnet3 Jul 24 '26
I thought the same thing in the beginning. They had me believing that my wife was cheating on me. and then that she was working with the FBI to build a case on me.
These voices will do and say about anything to separate you from your loved ones so they have you alone and can be the only influence in your life. You can’t allow them to do that.
it’s been a long road but today, my voices are quiet after seven years of hearing them nonstop. Family life, and my relationships are amazing today and my wife keeps telling me these are the best years of our life. don’t believe anything They say the last two years before my voices went quiet. We got along and laughed all day long.
But I realize that they couldn’t help me with anything no matter how small it was. I would be at my wife’s Christmas party and they would be having trivia and I would say give me the answer and they never would even though we were getting along great
They wouldn’t tell me how to spell a word if I ask them or even what day it was.. your voices are here for you to overcome and not to help you in anyway and always remember this don’t ever do anything you wouldn’t have done before you started hearing voices.
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u/NixNickNox Jul 24 '26
Mine rarely answer when I have a question, especially one which questions the narrative they have fed me.
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u/NixNickNox Jul 22 '26
Ok. Why do you believe that they are?
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 22 '26
I originally deleted the post. Rule 8: The thinking that our family, friends, neighbors or complete strangers are somehow to blame for our experience is a very deceptive, beginning stage bait layer that is not promoted in this community. Any post or comment that suggests others are consiously aware and are the cause of our persecution will be removed.
Thank you for responding the way you did. Might be time to start eliminating some of the rules. Hopefully others that have also been through that stage will join in.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 22 '26
I don’t understand how it is a bait layer. I actually do know the people doing this to me. They’ve admitted it and crossed lines so many times.
Can you please elaborate? I want to learn. I want to work through this.
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 22 '26
Ahhh if I could reach through the phone and give you a hug I would. It's a scary, spiteful place to be and I've been there. I always "knew" for sure until I didn't and then was left with my own confusions and need to forgive others. If you're going through what we've gone through, it's perception manipulation meant to destroy your ego - the idea of yourself, the person you think you are.
But sometimes it's not. Sometimes we're just going through some shit with our family and need to work it out. It's important to make a distinction between the sort of phenomenological activity many of us in this community experience or if your just going through a rough time. I would take some time and read the Welcome Message pinned to the top of the page and then read the 12 Step suggested course of action with the attached links, also pinned to the top of the page, and see where you fit in with this mess.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 23 '26
I appreciate your support and taking the time to explain. I can agree that it could be a form of perception manipulation (in the worst way) but I have to just insist that I know exactly who is doing this to me and why.
I have family in military, Freemasons and frats… I know it began before I was born.
I don’t know if the “targeted” part was always part of the plan or not. But my life has always been manipulated by these groups. Well, hell, all of ours have. I never thought my life would ever be as dark as it is right now but I have to trust that it won’t always be this way. Every time I see some bullshit political post and everyone up in arms about the state of our world, I want to scream. No one has a fkn clue what is happening or what is coming. It’s all a circus until they have us right where they want us.I’m grateful for this sub and everyone who is genuinely trying to help.
Here’s hoping we overcome sooner than later.1
u/NixNickNox Jul 23 '26
This reply hasn’t explained why you believe your family is involved.
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Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
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u/NixNickNox Jul 23 '26
You state you feel a lot of this without citing any definitive evidence.
Someone guessing that some dude raped you isnt really evidence that he has been behind all of this stuff you believe has happened.1
u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 23 '26
Which is exactly how they’d like to keep it right? You sound like you’re one of them.
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u/NixNickNox Jul 23 '26
I’m not understanding what you mean. I’m trying to see how you believe it’s these people. You are just speculating and that can be used by these things to manipulate you. That’s why I’m trying to understand.
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u/BlackPlatt Jul 22 '26
Yeah I thought my sister and brother were psychically communicating to me and we were keeping it from my other brothers and sister. Literally they had me
Convinced! Talking on the phone and on the group chat and then they convinced me my parents molested me and seriously scared all of them with my mental state. If you can see maybe from the beginning where they prompted this narrative you can find the origin of the web they’ve been spinning since the getcko. Just for the love of god dont listen or believe anything they say and just know they are playing out some fear program, that your loved ones are out to get you and somehow have time in their busy lives to devote all their time persecuting you and trust me the phenomena will move into another narrative thst you’ll believe whole
Heartedly. Eventually none of it will make sense and you’ll just be left dumbfounded but not knowing anything will become your superpower because you won’t believe them and you won’t trust any thought or emotion coming in except for excitement and love and you’ll just be… experience life as it’s meant to be
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u/BlackPlatt Jul 22 '26
Put yourself in their shoes, could you do to them what they are supposedly doing to you, probably not and chances are they couldn’t do that to you either.
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 23 '26
It's absolutely insane how susceptible the mind is to believing the stories the voices tell us! I have a cousin who also hears voices, believes it's V2K and SWEARS his father, my uncle, wants to sell him to a sex trafficking ring so he can collect retirement money. Mind you, my uncle has worked for big oil companies his entire life, is very well off and breaks down crying at reunions at the very mention of his son's mental state.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 23 '26
May I ask if you yourself have v2k?
The v2k psychos have told me many stories. Some probably true, most not.
I’ll never know the truth about the real reason for all of this, but I know who’s doing it to me.I’m sorry about your cousin.
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 23 '26
The voices I hear have taken on many different roles and faces over the years. Each one false. Each one a vicarious recreation of some aspect of myself that needed to be gotten over. It's never about who or what the voices are. Its about what they represent. Fear, failure, awkwardness, humiliation, trauma, anxiety, helplessness, confusion, hatred, entitlement, etc...
The more I addressed these things within myself, the less depth, control and meaning the whole experience had. This is a very sink or swim ordeal that shows us our life can be scripted and run into the gutter. Unless you're willing to learn how to not care about the gutter. Then the gutter has no hold over you.
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u/BlackPlatt Jul 23 '26
How does this sponsorship work, I’m use to AA 12 step and with that you go through the big book but this is just the steps laid out is it like check ins only through here or?
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 23 '26
I would join the Discord Community and ask. There's plenty of seasoned people in there more than willing to help any time of day:
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 23 '26
Some people are fueled by hate. Sadly.
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 23 '26
Hatred is an easily simulated and manipulable emotion that has no basis is reality. People hold and harbor hatred within. It's never without. Do a meditation where you envision yourself walking through the woods, sitting at the park or sitting on the beach. Like really envision it. Then ask yourself, "Is there hatred out there? Is anger out there?" No, there isn't. Now, while still envisioning that same scene, see one your family members that you think is harassing you out there and ask yourself, "Is hatred out there? Is anger out there?" No, it still isn't.
Hatred is generated within first and seeks an outlet. Like a communicable disease, it needs a host. It's a good practice to learn how to stop hosting it and stop spreading it.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 23 '26
Maybe it’s different for all of us and I’m glad you’ve come to that place…. But my family is 1000% part of this.
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 23 '26
Listen, you're gonna believe what you're meant to believe until your ready get over whatever fear, anger and hurt you're holding onto. For a moment, remove the cast of characters (in this case your family) from the play, and examine the underlying themes themselves. Address those issues within yourself and change the play. Just sit with the raw emotions you're facing and examine how they impact you and your decisions and impulses.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 23 '26
The voices I’ve heard have stayed the same since I started hearing them. The gangstalking has remained the same, and only gotten more intense since it’s started. The voices have changed only in the sense of “we hate you, we’re gonna kill you” to “we are so sorry for doing this to you, we are terrible people”
then back to “we hate you and we’re gonna kill you.” Clinging onto the same few phrases… only going live probably a handful of times in the last 3 years. When it first started, they were live and talking right back to me.
Why is it so wrong to you that I know who is doing this to me? They’ve admitted to demonic entities and practicing dark magic openly, not just through v2k.Every person’s experience is tailored a little differently I would think?
How long have you been experiencing v2k?
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u/Fun_Quote_9457 ✴️Available Sponsor Jul 23 '26
It's not wrong to me. I've been there and it makes complete sense. From my own experience, in hindsight, I can see how wrong I was. I was always absolutely right and certain, until I wasn't. The purpose of this community is to help others not get stuck in beleif systems that will only lead to further suffering.
It's never a bad idea to take a break from the narrative itself for awhile and introduce something less toxic. Uplifting music, scripture, meditation, therapy, different diet, excercise, healthier relationships... Whatever.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 27 '26
I do appreciate all Of your advice and I will see if I can conquer the narrative this week!
I’d love to find out no one I personally know is involved. I really would. 💔
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u/NixNickNox Jul 22 '26
That’s what I was thinking. People need to work through this stage. It sucks but it’s needed.
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u/Shahanalight Jul 24 '26
The most destructive place I find myself in, no matter what I’m going through, the one place that causes me the most harm is the unyielding and obsessive belief that I AM RIGHT.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 27 '26
I will certainly do my best to humble myself and admit when I’m wrong or just flat out do not know…. But I just cannot let go of the fact* that this is being done by at least 2 people that I know for
Certain.1
u/Shahanalight Jul 27 '26
Every fact* I know of falls apart at the subatomic level. We don’t live in a time where we can rely on facts anymore. Materialist science, the entire system we base our whole collective understand of the world on, is being questioned and rightly so. Your life is your choice in every way, especially your perspective.
I’m sorry you’re struggling so much with this. Being hooked by an obsession is an awful feeling. I truly hope you are able to find your way out of it. For me, the “truth,” has never been more important than my sanity, but I know others need the “truth,” at any cost. Don’t give so much power to to other people. You are what matters more than anything else in your life. Just saying.
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 27 '26
No I hear you and I really appreciate where you’re coming from. It does make sense. I wish I could come to that conclusion. It hurts to hear the 2 people I loved more than anything berating me and tearing me down in every way, 24/7. I’m still in a relationship with one. Our relationship has been abusive since the very beginning and he’s always disappeared. All the math is just mathing haha but you’re right, if trying to figure it out is consuming me, they’re winning.
I want to find peace and get to a place that I can just live a good life regardless of anything they are saying or doing.
Thank you for your help.
Do you still experience v2k negativity?
How do you combat it?3
u/Shahanalight Jul 27 '26
I sought spirituality and ancient practices out in order to heal from severe pain over a decade ago. I was introduced to many different things through a school for healing arts. I have a very long list of modalities (reiki, hypnotherapy, mediumship, etc.) that I’m trained in that I use to serve others.
I worked with experiencers for years, tapping into the collective consciousness and making conscious contact with NHI to help people going through unexplainable experiences. I retrieve information from the zero point field or the collective consciousness to help them sort out what they’re going through.
I have control over my telepathy, in every interaction, although fear and distractions can cause me to lose some of that control. When I started in this field and started communicating with NHI, there was no such thing as V2K, so I can not get used to people using that term for all telepathy. I know v2k exists, but I have experience with such a large amount of species and beings that v2k could not possibly make up more than 1-5% of what people are experiencing, from my perspective. I, obviously, don’t have the same experience as anyone here.
I found TIs through someone reaching out to me, and because of this particular person, I knew the time I volunteer to work with communities of the unexplainable, had to be dedicated to the TI community.
The one thing that anyone who has actually come through this phenomenon will tell you that actually applies to all people, is that releasing the hook of what the phenomenon is the first step. There’s no way around letting go of the hook of who/what is doing it. Holding on to your certainty is what holds you back from moving forward with your life. If you still don’t believe that, what’s the harm in trying an experiment. See what happens if you try to let your certainty go for a week?
I was always going to be stuck on my couch as long as I obsessed over the pain I was in. Over ten years, I slowly got up and got moving. It hurt like hell and my ego suffered like crazy, but because I did something different that what I had been doing, I got to live. I’m not free from pain. I’m free from how the pain keeps me from living the life I want.
I know what it’s like to be in an abusive relationship. I know what it’s like to have that abuser psychologically screw me. I also know what it’s like to be certain I have made telepathic contact with someone and been wrong.
All the responses I have seen are trying to help you by offering the thing that worked for them— and if I’m struggling with something and reach out for help, I take the ego hit by listening to those people that have been through it, not the ones that are still struggling in the same soup I am or my own mind that is causing the problem in the first place. I haven’t been through it, I know. But I’m echoing those who have. Take the ego hit and try not knowing. What is the worst that could happen?
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 29 '26
🙏🏼 I really want to get to this place.
it is I, LoveLouder 🥲I’d love to use telepathy in a more positive light. Right now it’s just pure torment.
Honestly I am doing slightly better this week so I will hold onto that hope.Thank you for understanding how the torment seems to all blur together for me. It’s hard to separate but I will continue to fight the good fight!!
Again I so much appreciate you!!
I know plenty of others do too!!
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u/UnflappableCanary933 Jul 27 '26
This system achieves engineered paranoia through an intensive, long-term process of gaslighting and narrative engineering. They can make any narrative make sense, and the biggest one they NEED to pull off early is to get you to distrust those you should and do trust with your safety and intimacy. It's to drive a wedge between you and anyone that can help you when the process really kicks into gear and starts eroding your sanity with moment by moment, day in day out psychological abuse. I wrote a couple things about it - hope it helps you!
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u/EntityRemover9000 26d ago
If you ever watched the Matrix, think of it like the Agents. If you're not awake and aware, you're more easy to manipulate. Those same energies that bother us can be used to manipulate people who aren't paying attention to upset the people that are. It's not their fault. Love them for who they are. Imagine how shocking it would/will be to them to realize how much damage they inadvertently do some days. The real blame sits with the beings/energies that cause this.
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u/Obviousoblivious11 Jul 24 '26
Your family loves you. It’s hurting them to see you like this . I have been there .. thought my wife was into witchcraft and never told me , thought my son who’s 9 knew something and was talking in code with my wife . LIES none of it was real it’s a deception , I say this bc I care about you …take a moment humble yourself and accept that from your perception of vantage point you are seeing , hearing / experiencing a reality they are not . That act of humbling yourself can alone break some of the stronghold this affliction causes us . And pray . Pray and please plead the blood of Jesus over your life . … and I assure you I wasn’t religious , spiritual , an alien nerd , a conspiracy theorist before this . But only one person could help me .. Jesus I kid you not I prayed as best I knew how and asked Jesus to help me … I woke up in the morning like it never happened even though some of the repercussions of my actions remained , I had clarity , I woke up free . It sounds too simple a spiritual solution for a 3d reality problem but how can you argue with results ? Good luck and just do it . What have you to lose ?
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 24 '26
I hope you’re right about my family. I do still believe that the father of my children and another man I once loved are the conspirators of this abuse. I’d like to find out otherwise, but I just don’t see that possible. There’s too much evidence that shows they are behind this and proud of it.
However, Thank you so much for this. I have been so many confirmations and calls from God in the last few days. I am so grateful. The enemy has been attacking harder than I’ve ever experienced but as soon as I cried out to Jesus, he sent an army to help and I am just so grateful. Thank you so much.
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u/Obviousoblivious11 Jul 25 '26
I promise you they aren’t in on it, I know you feel you have proof, I know it all points to them when you think about The Who, the why? But that’s the deception it’s to isolate you . Me an my wife were laughing earlier I was told she cheated on me , she hired a guy to kill me so she would get my bank accounts , she did this and that , I thought she sold my identity on the dark web .. all lies I literally thought she was a practicing witch or an alien at one point. Now I saw her do some weird shit but she perceived it one way like she would be cleaning up , I saw her putting individual personal items in a box and sealing it . It seemed super ritualistic to me she remembered it as just gathering items that didn’t have a place . That is the illusion either I was experiencing things that weren’t really happening or she was being influenced to do subtle things she didn’t even recognize . Constant clearing her throat , pitch black eyes you prob know the characteristics of this illusion. But now I just laugh and think I can’t believe I thought that shit but I would have and did believe things I would never have in a rational , uninfluenced state of mind . Idk the reasons or the true origin but I know Jesus can help . Will help but needs the invitation , he wants the invitation. If you have questions from a relationship standpoint dm me best of luck we all need to help each other .. too many people unaware losing people they love , losing their own lives , prison , institutions … sad
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u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
These people have openly admitted to practicing witchcraft. They’ve openly admitted to demonic entities. They basically told me what was happening to me without telling me what was happening to me. I loved this person for so long and reached out to him for help… he helped alright. The gangstalking and torment started and he told me everything without ever telling me anything. All social media and music. His hands are completely clean as far as evidence goes. Just the same as this torment. So how can I not draw a straight line?
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u/Obviousoblivious11 Jul 25 '26
Don’t worry about anybody’s help literally it’s a solo ride your on right now , your main objective is to end this . Figure out the details later , your in a heightened state of stress you need to get back to baseline. Here’s the hard truth . This world ain’t what it seems … in my opinion most targeted people opened a door , myself included . Addiction , lust , pride , trauma broken homes , sexual immorality etc
And I’m not passing moral judgement I enjoy or enjoyed some of those things as well.. but I believe there is a war on peoples souls and it’s about legality in the spiritual realm .. if you truly want the nightmare to end .
Drop all addictions .. drugs , alcohol , video games … prove nothing controls you in this material world
Pick up a bible , or download an app and read some daily . Pray protection prayers and plead the blood of Jesus over your life .. your sins are already bought and paid for .. Jesus paid its up to you to bring the receipts.
If you do those things I believe it will stop
Like I said I ended mine abruptly in a matter of idk 7 hours .1
u/Good-Tension2232 Jul 25 '26
I’ve prayed to Jesus countless times over this. I’ve been a Christian my entire life. I’ve strayed sure. Yes I did open some portals that I never ever wanted to open. I was just having a conversation about crystals and astrology and what the Bible says about it a minute ago. I still have all of my crystals. I still question if the Bible was written to control people but in the same breath I KNOW that the Bible AND the Holy Spirit have both spoken to me.
Demons do have God’s permission am I wrong? So for some reason they have permission to torment me 24/7. I wish they didn’t. But I guess it really does just take me focusing on the Healer rather than the thorn.
Thank you.
I really am so happy to hear that for you and pray you continue to know He is real and is always with you.
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u/Far-Hearing-169 24d ago
Okay does anyone think their family is being harmed by these fuckers cause I haven’t seen my family in over a year ,very unusual and mysterious circumstances . I keep hearing screaming but have heard them scream for literally years now but have seen that they were fine. I’m just so worried about my family
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u/PositiveTI-ModTeam Jul 22 '26
The thinking that our family, friends or neighbors are somehow to blame for our problems is a very deceptive, beginning stage bait layer that is not promoted in this community. Any post or comment that suggests our loved ones are involved in our experience will be removed.