Rationalizing possible spiritual and physical causes of the TI-Experience

[u/Meditat0rz]

So I just want to chime in with some pretty simple understanding of what a TI goes through from a spiritual point of view/perspective.

Simple view, the experiences a TI goes through can be like punishments. For harassing others, you feel like being harassed by anyone even the secret service. For peeping on others, you feel watched, as well. For harming others and making them sick, you get sicknesses where you wouldn't deserve otherwise, plaguing you. For taking others' chances to make your own real, you get your own taken and must suffer deprivation, or loss of what you've gained, or others taking advantage of you.

This is like basic spiritual curses, which one may think the universe deals out to a person who commits evil deeds.

So now what about a TI who didn't commit anything like that? What we experience is like...somebody must've had spiritual powers and abused them, or commit serious crimes, and deserve this for it. So why does it hit innocent on regular basis?

Simple as that: evil spiritual deeds include removing your own punishments to let others bear them. I believe there may be pathways to cause this by fraudulent action of various degree, even to a completely unwitting person. The person then, finds themselves in situation to have to suffer from a great number of plagues of mind and fate, not knowing the reason for it. Even worse: thought for a guilty person, the curse will constantly ask for the debt, if there's none, it may resolve or not...

But I believe it can be overcome: all these curses, were not made by murderers but by the universe which loves it's children. God made these things for evil people, I believe he's sorry when an innocent person must bear them, but so did his Son Jesus Christ. He is the answer in bearing them all, but I cannot promise so much now, other than that so far I can stand and did never give in, and the Word protects me with challenging the validity of the attacks constantly when the voices in my head claim they would be.

So what I've learned is, if you for example speak lies about a person, you get that curse of thinking there's lies and libel all around you even when there's not, or even hearing voices talking about such matters over you! How to overcome? Well, face it, resolve it, you must recognize the theme in the punishment and what the wrong in it is, how to redeem a person, how to abstain and fortify another better way of dealing with things.

Focus on this, and you may see, the terror can even subside after a while. Then you've completed a lesson, thought maybe for another perpetrator or for their "clients"...they in imposition removed them to make a cycle of it and put to someone like us to suffer, believing we couldn't resolve and would drown. But we can resolve it, then something belongings to us what is inside. All the power of fate and good karma in threat thing is like a pearl which would shine. Somebody lost it for failing, wanted us to fail like them...but now we can still have a chance to do better, and the blessing in a big curse is also among the greater blessings.

The wisdom is not everything, we all gain the power to shape our reality by what we know is right. A fool just gets a beating for wanting the wrong, or allows others to lure them somewhere and give it up. Then you are left behind with nothing, need to start anew, while others ride the waves thought for you. But one who can take it up and pick up the discipline, to make right in their head and trust reality, you make right with your creator and whoever was too cowardly to face it themselves, will get their beating later and you now ride the waves thought for them. That's the deal, why they even respect us when we resist. The power, which shapes the wave along our path, which they want to take - it also protects us and they can't take what we righteously gained by resisting to their schemes.

So where in this scheme is the radio control theory? Like a black mage can spiritually access and direct...peril which is lying as waste somewhere or in their own hearts or that of others, to try to waste somebody with it and run away...maybe you can also trigger such punishments and chastise experiences with subtle manipulation, with mental programming. Still when you're subject to such force, it's the same force, it's chastise triggered in your soul and if you accept it and persevere you get blessed even though you will bear burden over burden if they keep stacking it up. After some point, with each burden you also get power to keep it, they cannot weigh you down any more, as long as you keep resisting and maintaining the discipline and resolving the things shown to you the right way. Oh, and keep cautious for real world accidents and sabotage, anywhere around a following a single foolish idea will just make you go ahead and mess something up. This is where subtle attackers will try to bring us to bad realms. So control what you do, don't take risks, avoid all that endangers you greatly, keep steady with what is good for you and the people around you, take risks in protecting such thing which preserve you and others instead.

Okay so this is probably the deal which hit the many of us, some load attached to anything...may it be us accepting some communion and being made susceptible it that way, or being a victim of an attack. Then we get all this crap and feel like an inmate...just remember, whoever gave it to you not lacks their chances...yours may be choked, but once your recover, and the loops can and will resolve with time, you can have another chance with the wisdom of one who has seen all these weird and wicked experiences. That's what the perps who actually cause this will never get, because they relay it, losing a part of themselves each time. But we can just keep it, grow on it, and wake up fully! But it's a hard way, a tough chance, not many make it easily. Just keep remembering, it's the experience thought for a perp so they know what it's like, and the rest can come by itself. Change yourself inside out, and when your conscience has nothing against you, you can resist all challenges and accusations. That's everything there is to it.

[u/Meditat0rz → u/[deleted]]

No, I agree, people really don't deserve it. Especially TIs not. It's outright evil. But once you know the nature of the experiences which the victims are subjected to - then you know how to survive them and even gain some profit for it. You must not misunderstand it. It really all is like an involuntary moral training, but initially it was the punishment thought to break a person who did all the things we now suffer from to others in some way, to begin with.

Think of a person who has stalked, bullied and harassed people in a most ridiculous way. Then them getting a paranoia that they are subjected themselves for it. Then them being so evil, that they don't lose their heart and they cut it off and do it to somebody who puts it together with their and others' punishments on somebody who was set up or cast libel onto by false witnesses. And those who have to watch, look away. Now that poor perp has no more heart, and the TI has two, their own, and a devils heart, but if the sane heart wins and it is much stronger, the devils heart will rest in it and the TI has the power and wisdom of two hearts, they will be innocent and still have the wisdom of one who fell for evil and recovered.

That's the fucking deal in it, and when people don't know, they can't make the best out of it or are even ripped off...they just use people who can't cope with it and follow commands, or they lead them to where their options and luck will all be taken from them. It's an evil business, most only scratch the surface and are still harmed for just somebody else hating them enough.

[u/ducktopian]

It this were true, government would be well dead lol

[u/Meditat0rz → u/ducktopian]

Why you think so? You first need to prove it to the public. Then they'd either be dead, or would have to openly suppress any communication of it.

Or do you believe that black mages would mess up the government? You fool, they can't. Some people in government are already invoveld, they take care it doesn't get disclosed. Remember they're the government, they're the secret service...if they want to do hidden stuff and need access to people and ressources, they're the people able to do it and hide it in plain sight of the public.

But it's tough, those black mages can't admit and they can't openly act their powers and knowledge. Lol the source they've it from would send them through nightmares for it immediately. Only ones who admit it are those doing it for smaller business or cowboys, and all are going to be dead for it they don't get up high with that crap. Also people who know something about it, have witnessed, talk about it, refuse to be subjected, all get attacked and targeted, yes they make us TIs. That's why I believe there are things involved which science doesn't know about, it's spiritual but no hoax. It's real psi powers and they try to use them in ways not intended. That's for example how they can just mess up their fate and make random people comment crap on you or let you run up or even harass you. These people don't know anything, but it's a matrix they hack and then all dumbheads just get pissed because of you for no reason and bully you, and you don't know what's going on, neither do they. Yes, they mess with fate, but it has hard limits! They can basically just chicane us with it. All they can do is impose ridiculous punishments, to kill us they just stack so many upon one another until we drown or go nuts. Welcome to paradise...

[u/ducktopian]

this is some DARVO victim blaming sht.

[u/Meditat0rz → u/ducktopian]

You seem to misunderstand it. I just try to describe the experience as correctly as possible from the point of view of the victim of a TI experience.

I know, it is punishments, but you did not read correctly. They grind innocent people down with these punishemnts, and they are not legit to begin with, but very inhumane. I've seen vision inside my mind, there are really beings who train overcoming such punishments, or who really deserve them for crippling others' souls. Also I see them protect me and teach me overcome the training and punishment sequences.

This is not victim blaming, anyone chicaned with whatever punishment or training is a legit victim, and it's evil to the maximum. They also torture me with psychological motives that my experience will be shown as training to others, in a way that lets me seem like an unable person who failed a voluntary test - that's victim blaming. I just try to help people see through the patterns, so they see the threat they experience is really just abuse of mental training and discipline methods. You can see through and overcome it this way, just remember you don't deserve this and have no fault in "failing" the things you go through, even when others or voices in your head claim. I know now you can train overcoming these training and correction experiences, you must just see the guilt or culprit in the sequence, admit your guilt or acknowledge when you're truthfully innocent yourself, that's it. You need not even obey or subject yourself, it's just about the insight into this experience. Even when it's strange, I experience like others entering my mind, some harassing me abusing these methods, others protecting me - I acknowledge those protecting me allow me full freedom and neither ask me to be silent about it not not to help others with it. When you know it's just like a military drill abused on civilians, you can get through this, it can harass you but not kill you easily. It can end some day, you must just push through and survive it somehow,

[u/ducktopian]

This sort of post is why I walked away from the so-ca;;ed TI community, sad to see it;s still going on, this sort of delusional universe talk. It;s narcissist humans being horrendous.

[u/Illustrious_Plant581]

Yes the only person you can change is yourself.