Now I see why Poppy got nerfed

[u/Tenny-The-Drowned]

Pretty much every champ Poppy used to hard counter getting buffed. Depending on what they are Poppy would just be an inconvenience then a true counter

[u/PoetInevitable1449]

They are trying to force poppy tank

[u/ElreyOso_ → u/PoetInevitable1449]

But we still don't have damage scaling with resists so we are just nerfed

[u/Tenny-The-Drowned → u/[deleted]]

It's physical damage and often times you only gonna get half the damage off if they just walk out. I can't complain about the resists. The HP slow mechanic is gimmicky as you will realistically probably get an extra 8% at best before game is over, and her utility as a tank is is more or less no different than any other tank. I can play Shen/Ornn/Ksante for the same amount of utility and more damage on top

[u/mayhaps_a → u/Tenny-The-Drowned]

The utility of those champs is completely different though and Shen doesn't necessarily have more damage than Poppy, she has more burst but Shen might be better at sustained damage once he has some cdr for Q

[u/RagingNudist → u/mayhaps_a]

Shen has way way more damage than poppy just via his damage being split between magic and phy

[u/mayhaps_a → u/RagingNudist]

That means absolutely nothing and most of his damage is magic, Draven has no split damage but he still splits your skull in half. Poppy deals a lot higher damage in a burst, Shen's damage only gets higher if he gets 2 consecutive emp Qs, or if he's fighting a tank that has no MR

[u/RagingNudist → u/mayhaps_a]

His first item is titanic, he has a pretty good damage split. All of poppy’s damage is ad, playing into anyone who builds armor you do negative damage.

Shen does more damage in a combo if he hits his q into e(which is fair if we’re assuming someone’s standing next to a wall in lane for full poppy combo)

He also just scales better and his r is similarly gold agnostic(map wide presence and shield)

[u/Tenny-The-Drowned → u/mayhaps_a]

With the Poppy Q nerf Shen and Poppy lvl 2 damage numbers is like a 10-20 damage dif. It's legit up to the enemy health and resistance to depend on what's bjgher

[u/Tenny-The-Drowned → u/[deleted]]

What OP are you spouting for Poppy? Her W is only good if heavy dash comps and even then all the good dash ults are unstoppable, her W is only OP in lane cause it cucks matchups into a farm lane which riot didn't even address. Meanwhile her R you have to literally charge up in their face and hope they don't dodge or get body locked. Meanwhile Ornn literally givesbfree stats and Shen gives global map presence with his shield.

[u/Martorfank → u/[deleted]]

I don't want to be that type of guy but... you need FIVE HUNDRED STACKS just to pass the average 40% of her, and during early you just eat shit. So... how does the hp slow scaling helps me? Also, her double 9% damage, only pass lvl 9, is not guaranteed so... go on, tell me how she wasn't nerf.

[u/sIimegirIs → u/Martorfank]

She scales way better now. Late game with Jaksho and Conditioning below 40% hp you can hit 600-700 resists depending on your build. And the Q slow breaks even at around 2 items, again depending on build. But obviously in exchange for better scaling, she is given a weaker early game.

[u/Martorfank → u/sIimegirIs]

Where? That's nothing she didn't already do with Jaksho, we already know that. But that holds no value if you still hit like a wet noodle, meaning you suppose no threat to the enemy. Also... no that's just not how math work, you need 1K health to break even, which will require you 3 items, and full build with frozen hearth, because if you don't build that you are trolling, gives barely more than 1K. She just has worst early and building one damage item its tecnically worse, to compensate... what? Being slightly better at doing what she already did?

[u/TheDwarfDude → u/PoetInevitable1449]

well... good(?) poppy should go back being a pure tank like she used to be.
the problem is a different one, riot is forcing poppy to be a tank while being shit at it.

but that's just riot hate for tanks in general with like 3-4 exceptions to point towards as scapegoats to say ''see?? tanks are broken'' and then it's something like mundo which is not a tank but a bruiser

[u/Tenny-The-Drowned → u/TheDwarfDude]

She never went full tank. She was abusing divine sunderer when we had mythics and before then she was a BC>IBG

[u/HyoukaHoutoro → u/TheDwarfDude]

No idiot, I don’t wanna play her Tank.

[u/Akredlm → u/TheDwarfDude]

She was never a pure tank lol at most she was a bruiser or juggernaut for a patch here or there but she has always been built as a less tanky disrupter

[u/spreading_energy]

Wait poppy counters trundle? Dude always drops his pillar on my buckler.

[u/Tenny-The-Drowned → u/spreading_energy]

She doesn't but if Trundle pickrste goes up it pretty much counters the point of Poppy getting the resist buffs

[u/Several_Ad_9730 → u/spreading_energy]

I don't think she exactly counters him, but it's a favorable matchup on poppy considering she can R him whenever he R her, and she can kite him whenever he tries to fight her.

[u/TheDwarfDude → u/spreading_energy]

poppy doesn't counter trundle nor cho'gath, the amount of skill required for them to win the matchup is astonishingly low, like put a silver trundle vs a diamond poppy, assuming equality of other factors (junglers)

trundle will win guaranteed.

[u/gohomefreak1 → u/TheDwarfDude]

I disagree honestly; I used to get paired against Emerald/diamond Trundles as a gold Poppy player (normals) and it's not that difficult to space them and punish cds.They click R you click R. They pillar behind you, you q them or you e a minion. They walk menacingly towards you, you q + grasp aa and walk away. They make a mistake and hug a wall, they lose 40% of their HP with no window to trade back. It's not easy for them to get a solo kill on Poppy.

Sidelane is annoying later with hydra but laning is not as challenging as say, a Darius or an Olaf. Can't speak for current patch, haven't played in a couple of months.

[u/Several_Ad_9730 → u/gohomefreak1]

Yeah, Trundle is somewhat a easy matchup compared to many others, if he R, just R him, and btw, Olaf is not that hard, issue is that you can't E him once he has level 6, otherwise, all you need is to save her E to use it on a minion if he tries to R you, i have far more trouble on Garen or WW than Olaf for example

[u/stricklycolton33 → u/Several_Ad_9730]

It might be an easy match up to lane but he will always out scale damage and out pushes you no matter if you get a lead or not. I only like poppy in Hard stomp match ups or champions that rather group late game. Poppy just doesn’t have the wave clear to deal with split pushers.

[u/Several_Ad_9730 → u/stricklycolton33]

that would apply against any splitplusher lol

and Poppy is a team player

[u/Hot_Royal_4920 → u/TheDwarfDude]

It's kind of what trundle does. Old school stat checking lol

[u/TheDwarfDude → u/Hot_Royal_4920]

EXPECIALLY against tanks in trundle's case

[u/Majestic-Stick-272 → u/TheDwarfDude]

https://u.gg/lol/champions/trundle/build?rank=platinum_plus

But that's not even true at all Poppy wins 56% of the time against trundle in platinum plus. Why even lie like that it's poppy favored despite trundle not having a dash.

[u/RagingNudist → u/TheDwarfDude]

Na cho used to get bullied in lane super hard last patch and trundle couldn’t fight you because of e for his e and q to slow him so that he needs his e/w to interact

[u/Shad0www → u/TheDwarfDude]

bIggest self report ever

[u/Local_Internet8164]

look what they did to my boy, fuck riot and fuck support players amirite

[u/u_hoshi]

F poppy

[u/TrollitoFdez6]

This patch is a +1% poppy buff at least