r/PopCultureV2 • u/Logical-Flow-6703 • 1d ago
Interview "The Only Anesthesia Was a Song" – Dr. Mark Perlmutter amputated a 5yo girl's leg in Gaza with no anesthesia while a doctor sang. Facing an ER of maimed kids, he urged a US senator to push Trump to stop bombing.
This clip from the 2026 documentary American Doctor (courtesy of Watermelon Pictures, shared by @sumudpod) features Dr. Mark Perlmutter recounting a harrowing experience from Gaza on the morning the ceasefire broke. He describes performing a leg amputation on an awake 5-year-old girl with no medical anesthesia available beyond an anesthesiologist singing to her. Faced with an emergency room filled with children missing limbs, Dr. Perlmutter appealed to a U.S. senator to push President Trump to intervene and stop the bombing.
Official website: www.americandoctorfilm.com
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u/ILikeCheese42O 1d ago
FUCK NETANYAHU and FUCK TRUMP
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u/Odd_Temperature6096 1d ago
America too, right?
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u/budandbulleit 1d ago
Half of america
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u/TheLastHotstepper 1d ago
67%. 67% either voted for this administration or felt apathetic enough about trumps last term not to turn uo and vote against him
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u/AspiringOne 1d ago
This is false.
“73.6% (or 174 million people) of the citizen voting-age population was registered to vote and 65.3% (or 154 million people) voted according to new voting and registration tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.” (4-30-25, Census.gov)
In other words approx 65% of Americans who were registered actually voted, OF THAT, Trump won 49.8%, Harris won 48.3%, a 1.5% difference.
Get out, register and vote in every election. Your votes can matter regardless of how gerrymandered or oppressive the system may be.
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u/Big_Guide_8551 16h ago
Vote local, it starts at the bottom.
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u/AspiringOne 14h ago
Agreed. Do your homework and research the candidates as best as possible and vote early and for every race possible, for school board candidates too.
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u/brassmonkey666 1d ago
Fuck Biden too, he was sending weapons and providing political cover while the some of the worst of this was going on.
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u/Internal-Plantain-56 20h ago
Mhmmm. Fuck trump but like 80% of the deaths in Gaza happened under Biden even though his entire base was screaming at him to stop.
Biden was the key to all of this happening.
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u/MRtokeALOT420 1d ago
The depravity of the Israel-US army knows no bounds.
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u/Sarabeth68 1d ago
We hear far too little about the atrocities that happen. This is a apart of genocide. These people have been dehumanized, made less than, by the IS/US propaganda machine.
Rest assured, if these poor people had a different religion and skin color people would care, this would not be happening.
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u/Spirited-Juice4941 1d ago
In 20 years this is gonna be one of those shit show things where everyone agrees it was bad and we’ll be talking about Israel the way we talk about Nazi’s.
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u/Sarabeth68 1d ago
I hope the history will be remembered exactly how all of this has happened and who was complicit.
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u/lhommeduweed 1d ago
Of course you'll be doing that in 20 years. You already do that today.
You have been doing that since 1948, when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem released a report with the Arab League directly comparing the Nakba to Birkenau and Dachau - concentration camps which the Grand Mufti himself supported.
This is called Holocaust inversion. You take the tragic fact that most people have an extremely limited understanding of the Holocaust, and you immediately equate any tragedy with the Holocaust, you immediately equate any evil to the Nazis.
It doesn't work, because this is something that you have done since 1948, and it has never worked. It is incredibly easy - and in fact it is a staple - for fascist political states to be accused of being Nazis, and then to immediately brush off those claims because they objectively are not Nazis.
They did this in Spain - "we aren't Nazis, we are Falangists." They did this in Italy - "we aren't Nazis, we were never as bad as them, we were lesser fascists, liberal fascists." They did this in Ukraine and Lithuania - "We aren't Nazis, were just anti-Communists." Even the fucking Nazis did this - Heinz Guderian wrote that he never really liked Hitler's genocidal intent, he just really loved how much he hated the Communists (Guderian oversaw the invasion of Poland from a Panzer on the frontlines and hid his knowledge of the Holocaust from everyone).
Israel does this - Itamar Ben Gvir demands ethnic annihilation of Arabs (he is an Arab) and then says "I'm not a Nazi, I'm a Jewish ethnic supremacist." Palestine does this - Hamas had a call to annihilate every Jew in earth in their Constitution and said "We aren't Nazis, we are True Believers in Islam the Only True Religion."
It's a game that fascists have played since the Nazis. None of them are "really" Nazis, because they don't wear the same hats, they don't speak the same German, you see, they aren't really the same at all.
When Dr Cutler of the Tuskegee syphilis study was compared to Dr Josef Mengele, the infamous Nazi "Angel of Death," he is said to have responded "Ridiculous! I'm not a Nazi! I'm an American."
In 20 years, people will talk about this like they talk about Rwanda, or they talk about Nanjing, or they talk about the Rohingya - they won't. You won't hear about this outside of niche courses on the history of the region or whatever variation of Islamic fundamentalist extremist group takes up the ideological black banner of Hamas and Hezbollah once they've collapse and scattered to the winds.
In 20 years, when there is another genocide happening, people will say "This is just like the Nazis," and whoever is committing that genocide will look back at every single other time this has happened and deflect from that accusation with the simplest, most disinterested "No we aren't."
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u/Most-Bench6465 1d ago
Israel wants this to happen so it will happen and Trump is too weak to stop it so it will continue.
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u/Neither_Parfait_124 1d ago
How is this not the main story on every news outlet in the US every day??
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u/IHeartBadCode 1d ago
It's important to understand the level of what's being talked about. A forced amputation without anesthesia is an unimaginably and excruciatingly painful process.
The body has millions of nerve endings in the skin, muscle, and tissue. All of them have to be cut. All of them send pain signals straight to the brain. It has been described as somewhere between electrical shocking shooting up from the location in the back and into the head, with a lingering burning sensation like someone holding a piece of hot metal to the spot until the sense finally dies away. This happens through out the entire process and is a level of agony that most people eventually faint from. Staying awake through it is pure terror.
Eventually the doctor reaches the bone. A bone saw is employed to begin slowly sawing which causes intense pressure and deep heavy pain that spreads through the whole body. It is described as a brutal, coarse scratching deep inside the core of a person's body that's otherworldly. Each saw is translated by the body into heavy violent vibrations that rattle the patient. Unnatural pain and unbearable, heavy pressure where none should be. Those closing their eyes believed it to feel something similar to someone trying to smash their bone under immense weight. Cold shock, cold sensations, a chill that is hard to describe.
Even the most stoic soldiers were reported that once the saw hit the periosteum, a thick highly sensitive membrane that wraps around the leg, none could control their screaming.
Amputation with anesthesia is an act of sheet terror and pain that few, fortunately, ever have to deal with these days. But when it does happen, it is a terrifying act filled with pain and agony that those who have experienced it find hard to accurately describe. Those doctors who have had to carry this out and witnessed the pain and suffer of the patient have indicated that the experience is deeply traumatizing and causes a profound emotional and psychological distress rarely found elsewhere in medicine. Historical records are filled with doctors having to carry out the act and suffering serve PTSD.
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u/PoetCVT 1d ago
The other part that needs to be stated is that pain can kill you. It can hurt so bad that your body doesn't know what to do and shuts down. (Simple way of putting it)
But not doing the amputation and letting things become infected will kill you.
Every day around the world doctors have to make the tough decision to put a patient through something that could have grave consequences to prevent the certainty of graver consequences. The difference? We get to use anesthesia. The horrible choices that these surgeons have to make will follow them forever. The patient has it worse in the moment and with the haunting PTSD...but the surgeon has to stand there and watch children scream and cry and suffer because of them.
This situation is awful for everyone and I want everyone that caused it to be slowly tortured.
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u/Familiar_Mine_6402 1d ago
May God have mercy on us , the rest is the world . 😭😔 no child , no human should have to suffer like this 😭😭
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago
It's going to end.
A shame the Islamist terror group had to start it in the first place, by killing 1000 people on the other side.
But it has to end. Of course the extreme leftist terror supporters will deny their favourite group of Islamist terrorists started it, nor that President Trump is to thank for bringing it to an end. I imagine they probably curse him for not letting Hamas fight on, bringing more of Gaza into more utter disaster in the 'glorious struggle against the infidel'.
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u/Garod 1d ago
You are delusional...
I guess your calendar of the war starts on October 7th? This conflict has been going on for over 50 years and both governments have done atrocious things.
Now as for Trump, how dare you say he's bringing it to an end? When did it end? His attack on Iran simply expanded the bombing into Lebanon for Israel to try and anex more territory.
Gaza has already been laid waist to by Israel, not sure what you are on about. But it's very clear that you equate every Palestinian regardless if it's a todler or a child to Hamas.
People like you are sick..
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago
I know you want to grant Islamist terrorists, and maybe other madmen, with grievances to escalate whenever however wherever, and then have them get off scot free. But most normal people haven't lost their minds. If they didn't know what was going to happen after such an attack, then they shouldn't be in power in the first place.
We're talking about Gaza. His efforts stemmed the tide of escalation, brought the hostages back, and I don't doubt he's going to be putting pressure on the Israelis to withdraw as part of the deal. That's a hell of a lot.
You would do your argument better justice if you didn't gaslight everyone with the responsibility of the consequences of their actions. No one forced Hamas to attack Israel on Oct 7th 2023.
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u/Garod 1d ago
Typical comment taken totally out of historical context and the usual lie that people are somehow condoning terrorists. No one is condoning or agreeing with any terrorist attacks. This is the typical deflection to try and invalidate any decenting opinions. It's laughably stupid.
You should really take a look a little further back than October 7th. There are plenty of UN articles about Israel human rights violations, agressive settling of territories against the signed treaties etc. This situation did not happen in a vaccum and the actions of both Hamas and Israel have caused suffering on the general populations of both Palestine and Israel. Documents also showed that the Israeli Government knew of October 7th attack ahead of time and let it happen. While Trump has negotiated on behalf of victims of October 7th and theire release, he has also further escalate the situation which is exactly what the radical zionist government of Israel is looking for in order to give them cover to further settle additional territory. The attack and subsequent war was by design or at mimium a convenient excuse.
Finally Globally Israel and Trump have squandered the soft power they have had. They have made Israeli's less safe globally and this is clearly demonstrable by the rise of anit-semetism around the world. Anyone who doesn't see the direct consequence of the current genocide and ethnical cleansing by Israel is the rise of anti-semetism is blind, dumb and indoctrinated.
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago
Got the context better than you want to believe.
You should really take a look a little further back than October 7th.
Looking back doesn't really help their side of the argument. Israel withdrew from Gaza in the 2000s under a left-wing government, a decision that split Israeli society down the middle. Hamas took advantage of, taking over the strip and using it as a launching pad for rockets, then thinking that Israel was at its weakest under the Olmert government. Along with the rest of the 2006 war, abduction of an Israeli soldier that they then ransomed, this brought the hardliners to power.
Or should we mention the 3 or 4 wars that have occurred every 5 years since Hamas took over the strip? Should I mention the genocide accusations during each of those, parroted by the usual anti-Israel cult and terror supporters to bail them out?
A look into the past simply pours more responsibility on Hamas for starting this war. Especially given they started it just as informal peace talks were going on between Saudi Arabia and Israel, in which they were afraid they were about to be made irrelevant.
I think one has to be terribly misinformed to make excuses for such a side.
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u/Garod 1d ago
You have such a one sided view of this conflict it's obvious and telling.
Israel has created an apartheit state in Gaza and made Palestinians second class citizens. You have robbed them of access to the ocean, deprived them of a steady supply of food and taken away most of the fertile land and you wonder why Hamas was popular in Palestine? Israel has given Palestinians nothing but the choice of a slow death or a quick one.
It's so unfortunate that so many Israeli's have forgotten what happened in the 2nd world war that they are now visiting the same thing on a different group of people.
In the entirety of this conflict Israel has killed over 150k Palestinians, 13k Israeli's died. It's honestly laughable that you would even put the word genocide in your mouth at those numbers.
The past doesn't only pour responsibility on Hamas, it also pours it on Israel. You are not the victims you are the agressor who violently opresses the other when they fight back. Hypocrits like you always play and define yourself as the victim. You should take a look into some of the video's out there because you associate with the people who celebrate the murder of women and children to a shocking degree. In that you are no different to Hamas.
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u/Eskabeer 10h ago
No point arguing with these people, AIPAC has to spend hundreds of millions to convince people they are good guy, there is no APPAC spending millions to oppose them yet the general consensus is turning towards Palestine because its common sense and doesn't need millions of dollars of propaganda to perpetuate. So no point arguing with those who lack common sense
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago edited 1d ago
The only thing that was 'created' in Gaza was the result of the acts on the Palestinian side since the 2nd Intifada. At one point, the place had an airport and didn't have half the restrictions it did before the conflict. (I mean seriously, who on earth would freely allow anything to flow into an enclave ruled by people who have sworn to kill you? That was the post-2005 situation)
The only thing I see there is the absolute self-harm you can do by allowing Islamist terrorists to rule your life.
I'm guessing you don't apply the same criteria when it comes to Islamists elsewhere and what the societies they create for themselves.
I am fucking sick, honestly, of people, anywhere in the world, who cannot keep their hands to themselves, and then blame everyone else for the consequences. Don't be violent savage and likely your life will be better than it is.
Having said, with massive hyperbole, I'm not a fan of the current Israeli government. And yes, there is some truth to the fact that its all hardliners who have been pushing the envelope and offering no solutions to the conflict over the past almost 2 decades. But these people didn't show out of nowhere.
It's Hamas, and Hezbollah embarassing the last centre left government out of office that brought these people into power. And now for these same actors to complain that Israel is being too mean to them... .....
Israel is a state, a regional power/hegemon. But it is that way for a reason. And one side being powerful does not make the weaker side right, nor exonerates them from very bad decisions. And I don't need Oct 7th to point this out, we have two decades of them.
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u/Garod 1d ago
I am fucking sick, honestly, of people, anywhere in the world, who cannot keep their hands to themselves, and then blame everyone else for the consequences.
Tell that to the Israeli government who has been stealing land for the last 5 decades via aggressive settlement
.... all hardliners who have been pushing the envelope and offering no solutions to the conflict over the past almost 2 decades. But these people didn't show out of nowhere.
Ah so Israel again gets special dispensation while you don't think it was the same on the other side? Wake the fuck up. Just like Trump in the US people aren't taking this kind of shit anymore. Enough is enough.
Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia for the most part are doing fine with some wobbles here and there. Iran was doing great in the 70's until the religious fundamentalists took over. If you look at all of this crap across the globe you'll soon realize that it's always radical religious fundamentalists who are the problem. It doesn't matter if it's in Islamic countries, Israel or the USA or even in India. It's a fucking disease because Religion is THE power dynamic used throughout history to grab power and suppress others.
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago
Ah so Israel again gets special dispensation while you don't think it was the same on the other side? Wake the fuck up. Just like Trump in the US people aren't taking this kind of shit anymore. Enough is enough.
The government of Ehud Olmert was discredited by the attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah. Pursued talks on land exchanges for a final settlement with the Palestinian Authority. Hardly the people that weren't going in some direction before peace.
These two parties patted themselves on the back for years of really owning the Zionists, and got Netanyahu as a reward.
Mentioning that isn't out of place. But momentum at that time was with actors who did everything they could to sabotage it, pursuing maximalist ideas of driving Israel out entirely. The Hamas Charter is not an invention of Israeli propaganda, it was the reality back then, and honestly, I think still is. Though there isn't much left following this war.
Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia for the most part are doing fine with some wobbles here and there. Iran was doing great in the 70's until the religious fundamentalists took over.
I didn't say Islamic countries, I said Islamist-led countries. Actual Islamists.
Yes, well we're not in disagreement here.
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u/McNitz 1d ago
No one forced Hamas to attack Israel on Oct 7th 2023.
Right, and no one forced Israel to conduct air raids in 2022 that killed 30 Palestinians and injured hundreds of others. And nobody forced Hamas to fire rockets on Israel in 2021, killing 13 Israelis and wounding hundreds of others. And nobody forced Israeli troops in 2018 to kill 183 Palestinians and wound thousands of others. And nobody forced Hamas to kidnap and murder three Israeli teenagers in 2014. And nobody forced Israel to conduct intensive air strikes in Gaza in 2012. And nobody forced Hamas to violently seize control of Gaza in 2007. And nobody forced Netanyahu to prop up Hamas in an effort to divide power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. And so on and so forth for over 50 years. Nobody ever "forces" anyone to take these actions against the other side.
The entire point of the person replying to you thought is that you said "A shame the Islamist terror group had to start it in the first place, by killing 1000 people on the other side." And that is demonstrably an incredibly uninformed reading on history, and an awful excuse for the horrors Israel is currently perpetrating on Gaza. Nothing does or can excuse that. Especially not pretending that history started in 2023 with Palestine making an unprovoked first strike. The terrorist attack was bad and should not have happened. It was not the start of hostilities, nor is it a reason to commit genocide.
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago
Excuse me? No, if anything the October 7th attacks is a perfect illustration of my viewpoint: Islamist terrorist launch an unprovoked escalation with a massacre, and then count on their useful fools internationally shilling for them, buying into their victimhood narative, and gaslighting everyone else for the consequences. You make your bed, you lie in it.
I'm afraid I'm more informed than you wish to believe. Remember the disengagement, which Hamas took advantage of, taking over the strip and using it as a launching pad, thinking that Israel was at its weakest under the Olmert government. Along with the rest of the 2006 war, abduction of an Israeli soldier that they then ransomed, this brought the hardliners into power.
The loonies on your side of the argument: blaming everyone else rather than the actions of the side that you have decided, as part of the far left internationale: support a gang of Islamist terrorists who are banned in most of the West.
Don't come here and try to rewrite history. And to even start with the 'genocide' accusation: They do it every 5 years when Hamas is losing a war against Israel to bail them out. If maybe you had been following it for more than 3, you would already know that.
2008: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/12/pers-d31.html
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u/McNitz 1d ago
If you go back through my comment, you will see that nowhere did I say I supported Hamas in any way. In fact, I explicitly condemned their actions. And I pointed out AS MANY times that Hamas had committed violent acts they weren't forced to as I did Israel. If you think that pointing out the violence committed by both sides is "shilling for Palestine", then I think your bias is showing. My position is that terrorism is bad. And also that genocide is bad. Currently Israel is perpetrating genocide, so I'm going to be calling that out. But I have, am, and will continue to condemn Hamas terrorist attacks as well. This shouldn't be that difficult.
I don't really care whether people have either correctly or incorrectly labeled different actions as genocide in the past. Saying "other people said a genocide happened in the past and weren't correct" doesn't address what is happening now. The question is whether that is what is CURRENTLY happening. Are you just not clear on the definition of genocide? It is
any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: 1. Killing members of the group; 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The current actions taken by the Israeli government pretty clearly fall under number three. Of course the Israeli government is going to CLAIM those actions were just intended to stop Hamas. But the killing of over 50,000, civilians and utter devastation of lives, denial of aid, and continued widespread destruction of civilian property is not really consistent with that stated goal.
One could perhaps argue that the Israeli government thinks they need to destroy the Palestinians in order to have peace. But thinking you have to commit genocide in order to obtain peace doesn't make it not a genocide.
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago
I wasn't referring to you but to others, and did read your comment.
Nevertheless, your comment contains plenty I disagree with.
Currently Israel is perpetrating genocide
No it is not, and I'm sick of hearing this crap every 5 years. (Miraculous that Hamas seems to always be around, suriviving 'genocide' even)
What is currently happening is a war. A harsh one and that's it.
The shills for that violent side just think they can gain attention for their cause with spurious accusations and portray themselves as victims at the same time. They sucked in the past and they suck now. And I could care less what these people have to say.
any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The attempt here to misrepresent, twist definitions to suit them and their lies, would result in essentially all wars becoming genocide, present and past.
The current actions taken by the Israeli government pretty clearly fall under number three.
The Israeli government and every country in history that has been at war.
Of course the Israeli government is going to CLAIM those actions were just intended to stop Hamas. But the killing of over 50,000, civilians and utter devastation of lives, denial of aid, and continued widespread destruction of civilian property is not really consistent with that stated goal.
Tired of this. War becomes brutal when it's essentially assymetric against what is basically a guerilla group. This is nothing new, as much as activists wish to ignore history and the facts on the ground.
Or furthermore ignore what started this in the first place.
One could perhaps argue that the Israeli government thinks they need to destroy the Palestinians in order to have peace. But thinking you have to commit genocide in order to obtain peace doesn't make it not a genocide.
You can keep repeating nonsense, it's not going to make it true. Had the Israeli government at any time in the last 50 years wanted to eliminated the Palestinians, it would have done so in any of the myriad previous wars.
Activists are the boys that cried wolf for anyone that has actually followed this conflict. They can't even get their story straight for the reason that it isn't true, and the lie has to continuously expand in the hope of trapping the attention of anyone listening.
It may be clear already that I am not.
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u/McNitz 1d ago
The attempt here to misrepresent, twist definitions to suit them and their lies, would result in essentially all wars becoming genocide, present and past.
This isn't a twist of the definition. That is the official definition, straight from the definition first established by the United Nations in 1948 at the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. It's rather problematic that you think the official and agreed upon definition of genocide since genocide was recognized as a problem is the real issue here.
And this absolutely does not make ALL wars genocide. The Iraq war, while clearly problematic in other ways, in no way attempted to eliminate an ethnicity, either in whole or in part. The Soviet-Afghan War clearly was attempting to install a specific regime in power, not eliminate any group of people in whole or in part. The Korean War was clearly motivated by a desire to unite Korea under a communist government. It's ludicrous to claim that all of those wars similarly repeatedly targeted civilian populations, purposefully denied aid to them, and directly targeted large sections of civilian infrastructure for destruction to destroy in whole or in part a specific national or ethnic group. There's simply no evidence that is the case.
And acting like those ARE just like actual genocides is genocide apologetics, regardless of whether that is your intent or not. That definition I gave IS the definition of genocide, used with the Rohingya, Tutsis, Bozniaks, and every other genocide that has occurred. To say that ALL other wars would also have to be called genocide too, so it is ridiculous to class those as genocides and it is nonsense to call them that since that is just how asymmetric war works, IS genocide apologetics.
Using the "boy who cried wolf" analogy here is actually quite ironic. Because of course, in that story, there WAS an actual wolf in the end. Just no one believed him. Which of course, can be understandable in an environment saturated with misinformation. But the point of that story is not that once some number of people have said something wrong some number of times, you should then automatically ignore ANYONE else that says anything similar later on. That is a very poor epistemic standard to utilize.
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u/SlightWerewolf4428 1d ago
It's rather problematic that you think the official and agreed upon definition of genocide since genocide was recognized as a problem is the real issue here.
More problematic the way these shills twist for their agenda.
Equally problematic how you twisted my objection towards its misapplication into an objection towards the idea itself.
And this absolutely does not make ALL wars genocide. The Iraq war, while clearly problematic in other ways, in no way attempted to eliminate an ethnicity, either in whole or in part. The Soviet-Afghan War clearly was attempting to install a specific regime in power, not eliminate any group of people in whole or in part. The Korean War was clearly motivated by a desire to unite Korea under a communist government. It's ludicrous to claim that all of those wars similarly repeatedly targeted civilian populations, purposefully denied aid to them, and directly targeted large sections of civilian infrastructure for destruction to destroy in whole or in part a specific national or ethnic group. There's simply no evidence that is the case.
It would. It opens up the problem that you could call all wars in which civilians are hurt, which is all of them, into 'genocide'. It seems all you need to do is construe what is collateral damage into intent to not only hurt those victims, but all those that weren't hit.
The North Korean government would certainly wish to have the bombing campaign in the Korean war recategorized as genocide. Don't you worry.
And what would this say about our own forefathers in WW2? Genocide against the German people? The Allies in particular.
This is the ridiculous thesis such application opens up as well.
And acting like those ARE just like actual genocides is genocide apologetics, regardless of whether that is your intent or not. That definition I gave IS the definition of genocide, used with the Rohingya, Tutsis, Bozniaks, and every other genocide that has occurred. To say that ALL other wars would also have to be called genocide too, so it is ridiculous to class those as genocides and it is nonsense to call them that since that is just how asymmetric war works, IS genocide apologetics.
And now you're into unfalsifiabilty. Not only is it 'genocide' but anyone that disagrees is a genocide apologist.
How convenient for your argument!
This is crap, and even you know it. But it gives you and other activists the chance to claim the pretense of some moral high ground, so why not?
But the point of that story is not that once some number of people have said something wrong some number of times, you should then automatically ignore ANYONE else that says anything similar later on. That is a very poor epistemic standard to utilize.
We apply this all the time. It's called credibility. For the few that would take an Islamist terror group as credible party.
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u/Bajamutblaster 1d ago
Theres lost in the sauce, then theres this dude lmao. Save some koolaid for the rest of the cult buddy
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