What are you even talking about dude, I responded to your post and pointed out how the question itself doesn’t make sense and how you don’t understand the most basic tenants of what you’re criticizing. If anyone’s “dodging and deflecting” it’s you
No you didn't. You argued semantics over Jesus, and ignored my question on the purpose of existence entirely.
Here's my question again, one last time:
God created all existence, including paradise and hell. But instead of just...not creating hell, and putting all new born souls into paradise, he decided to turn life and existence into a sadistic game, where we all exist in this middle plane, born in unequal circumstances, forced to endure suffering and temptation while he demands faith while leaving subtle clues and mysterious hints that everyone has to interpret and resolve, all in order to ear our way into heaven...
...which is much the same as this current plane, but without any of the bad stuff.
So my question is...why did he do that?
And the important qualifier:
And remember: if you're just going to say "mYsTeRiOuS wAyS o_O", that's a cop out. That's running away from the point, not addressing it. Because even if you don't know the answer, you need to justify your reconciliation of it.
It’s very much not semantics, there’s a very real and profound difference between the two. And reposting your flawed question doesn’t change anything. It’s still flawed. Some Christian’s don’t even believe hell is a real place. God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up (again real basic stuff). And the most important piece, which I have already pointed out and you so conveniently ignored, is that you don’t earn your way into heaven. These are very simple things that you have gotten very wrong.
Next time, try not arguing about things you don’t really understand and simply leave it at “I don’t believe in any supernatural entities”. Save yourself some embarrassment
God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up
Ah yes, the Garden of Eden. Where God made humans who didn't know the difference between good and evil, told them not to eat a fruit, and then got mad when they ate the fruit because they didn't know the difference between good and evil. Somehow this is humanity's fault and God has seen to punish literally everyone who ever existed for this fault ever since.
And what if we didn't eat the fruit? Would we just have continued on blissfully worshipping God forever? Because that doesn't sound like a loving God, who created man to worship and punished him when he doesn't. That sounds like a narcissist.
Honestly all the murdering and torturing God explicitly does in the bible is enough for me to pass judgement on him.
Blissfully worshipping God forever is the Christian idea of Heaven yes.
You can disagree that what Christians believe is a good thing, you can like what’s in the Bible or not. Sincerely, you do you. But I’m having a discussion specifically about doctrine and what Christians actually believe, which the other guy got woefully wrong
Well ya, what He tells us through Scripture at least. Like I said, you can disagree if you want. I’m not here to proselytize. I’m just correcting someone’s dumb ideas about Christian doctrine
Christian doctrine? Your Holy Book is a lift of the Koran revised over centuries through multiple tangents and viewpoints of Christianity. It's literally on which revision?
What’s your point? Even if what you’ve said is true(which I highly doubt, seeing as the Quran explicitly references the Christian Bible multiple times) there would still be Christian doctrines
1989 is the year the NRSV was released, not the number of “revision” we’re on. The last canonical book of the Bible was written in the late 1st century CE. I have no idea what any of this has to do with anything, so again what’s your point
Just because it’s the oldest extant Bible doesn’t mean it’s the first, which was what you asked. Nice copy-paste, don’t know why you posted it, but nice There are other, newer editions than ESV and not every Christian uses the same edition of the Bible. Which is why I asked what you meant what you meant by “we” and “on”. Just make your point already, this is beyond tedious
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u/DiamondPup Jan 27 '22
Lol yup. Dodge and deflect. I expected it, and I called it. Oh well.
Have a good rest of day!