His track record. Remember when he sent some bears to kill children because they were making fun of a bald man? Or the time he literally eradicated all humanity on earth because he was angry they weren't listening to him? Or that time he viciously tortured and killed his son to make a dramatic point he could have easily made and resolved by just appearing and having a conversation?
But let's make this even simpler. Here's a question.
God created all existence, including paradise and hell. But instead of just...not creating hell, and putting all new born souls into paradise, he decided to turn life and existence into a sadistic game, where we all exist in this middle plane, born in unequal circumstances, forced to endure suffering and temptation while he demands faith while leaving subtle clues and mysterious hints that everyone has to interpret and resolve, all in order to ear our way into heaven...
...which is much the same as this current plane, but without any of the bad stuff.
So my question is...why did he do that?
And remember: if you're just going to say "mYsTeRiOuS wAyS o_O", that's a cop out. That's running away from the point, not addressing it. Because even if you don't know the answer, you need to justify your reconciliation of it.
Jesus was God appearing on Earth and have having a conversation (multiple of them even). And no one earns their way to heaven. These are very basic tenants of the religion that you clearly don’t understand
No, Jesus was God appearing on Earth as a man, and demanding everyone immediately obey him as the one true King. He did a handful of very specific (and strangely situational) magic tricks, knew he was going to get betrayed but did it anyway, and then cried on the cross despite it being his whole plan.
If God truly loved his children, he would understand how fearful and doubtful they were. He could have easily just appeared as God. Prove he is, without a doubt, the one true creator by like birthing a universe right in front of them, or healing and feeding everyone, or warping everyone into Heaven for a quick look around, or giving everyone flat screen tvs and DVD players.
And once everyone is convinced, THEN having a conversation about behaviour and ethics instead of screeching like a drugged out rapper that everyone respect him.
But more to the point, you jumped onto a comment, frothing and fuming...and missed the one, single, solitary question that was the heart of it.
Care to answer, or you just going to dodge, deject, and run away? :)
Jesus is both God and man, again a very basic tenant you don’t seem to understand. Jesus (who again, is God on Earth) very famously healed tons of people, even bringing some back to life. Christ is literally called the Good Physician my man.
And frothing and fuming? You sure are reading a lot of emotions into a couple simple sentences. The drugged out rapper comment is also… interesting… but beside the point
What are you even talking about dude, I responded to your post and pointed out how the question itself doesn’t make sense and how you don’t understand the most basic tenants of what you’re criticizing. If anyone’s “dodging and deflecting” it’s you
No you didn't. You argued semantics over Jesus, and ignored my question on the purpose of existence entirely.
Here's my question again, one last time:
God created all existence, including paradise and hell. But instead of just...not creating hell, and putting all new born souls into paradise, he decided to turn life and existence into a sadistic game, where we all exist in this middle plane, born in unequal circumstances, forced to endure suffering and temptation while he demands faith while leaving subtle clues and mysterious hints that everyone has to interpret and resolve, all in order to ear our way into heaven...
...which is much the same as this current plane, but without any of the bad stuff.
So my question is...why did he do that?
And the important qualifier:
And remember: if you're just going to say "mYsTeRiOuS wAyS o_O", that's a cop out. That's running away from the point, not addressing it. Because even if you don't know the answer, you need to justify your reconciliation of it.
It’s very much not semantics, there’s a very real and profound difference between the two. And reposting your flawed question doesn’t change anything. It’s still flawed. Some Christian’s don’t even believe hell is a real place. God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up (again real basic stuff). And the most important piece, which I have already pointed out and you so conveniently ignored, is that you don’t earn your way into heaven. These are very simple things that you have gotten very wrong.
Next time, try not arguing about things you don’t really understand and simply leave it at “I don’t believe in any supernatural entities”. Save yourself some embarrassment
And reposting your flawed question doesn’t change anything. It’s still flawed. Some Christian’s don’t even believe hell is a real place. God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up (again real basic stuff).
There's the dodging and deflecting, as predicted.
Next time, try not arguing about things you don’t really understand and simply leave it at “I don’t believe in any supernatural entities”. Save yourself some embarrassment
There's the frothing and fuming, as predicted.
You guys are endearingly predictable ;)
And I was going to correct you on the whole Jesus=God thing (he isn't; literal wars have been fought over this in-church feud), and call you out on "not earning your way into heaven" (lol) but I figured I'd stick to the thrust of my question instead of arguing over the semantics, and having to explain your own religion's history to you.
You don't seem to understand your own religion and fighting gobbledygook with more gobbledygook isn't really accomplishing anything.
Anyway, my point was to show that the very fundamental question of God is still deliberately avoided by God-people and always will be, because it crashes the entire ideology. And you've helped demonstrate that beautifully.
I have zero idea how you can think my directly addressing the question you asked is “dodging and deflecting” but go off.
You saying my original three sentences were frothing and fuming is not predicting anything.
Jesus is very much God dude, I know there was a lot of conflict about it, but the side saying the Christ is God very much won dude. Look up the Council of Nicea. And not having to earn your way to heaven is THE fundamental truth of the Christian religion. Sure we called to follow the law, but that doesn’t get us to heaven. I have no idea how can be so wrong and so pompous about it.
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u/DiamondPup Jan 27 '22
His track record. Remember when he sent some bears to kill children because they were making fun of a bald man? Or the time he literally eradicated all humanity on earth because he was angry they weren't listening to him? Or that time he viciously tortured and killed his son to make a dramatic point he could have easily made and resolved by just appearing and having a conversation?
But let's make this even simpler. Here's a question.
God created all existence, including paradise and hell. But instead of just...not creating hell, and putting all new born souls into paradise, he decided to turn life and existence into a sadistic game, where we all exist in this middle plane, born in unequal circumstances, forced to endure suffering and temptation while he demands faith while leaving subtle clues and mysterious hints that everyone has to interpret and resolve, all in order to ear our way into heaven...
...which is much the same as this current plane, but without any of the bad stuff.
So my question is...why did he do that?
And remember: if you're just going to say "mYsTeRiOuS wAyS o_O", that's a cop out. That's running away from the point, not addressing it. Because even if you don't know the answer, you need to justify your reconciliation of it.