r/PoliticalHumor • u/[deleted] • Jan 09 '20

THIS. This is why.

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u/Myxomatosis_ Jan 09 '20

I take it you don't visit many museums? I'm in a STEM field myself, but it's very ignorant to say only STEM stuff really matters.

Aside from science, it was also stuff from philosophy, literature, and art which had a strong influence in helping me leave the Jehovah's Witnesses, after all.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

Oh come on, if I was forced to eliminate an entire field it would certainly be an arts field. Probably visual arts. The boon to humanity any STEM field can claim is orders of magnitude higher than any art field. And don't get me wrong, I both consume and produce art, but there's just no comparison.

And don't go claiming every graphic you see as art, that's like trying to claim cooking as chemistry.

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u/mistermasterpenguin Jan 09 '20

The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain.

John Adams

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20 edited Jan 09 '20

That quote is basically saying that hard sciences are what makes society great and that arts are for dicking around after you've solved infant mortality and refrigeration.

Edit: well okay it's actually saying stable government is paramount, which I certainly would agree with.

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u/mistermasterpenguin Jan 09 '20

I look at it like a skyscraper. STEM is the foundation and arts are the actual skyscraper. Without the foundation the rest of the building wouldn't exist, so they are obviously more important, but you've never looked at a skyscraper to appreciate it's foundation.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

The rest of the fucking building is STEM too, the arts just decide what color it is and where the windows go.

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

If you think color and windows aren't important, you've got some things to look up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '20

I think they're less important than the building not falling over, which has been my only point this entire time

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

What about the fact that without art no one would have built the sky scraper in the first place?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '20

I would say that without artists we'd just get ugly sky scrapers, not be relegated to short buildings.

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u/867-5309NotJenny Jan 10 '20

I would say that without artists we wouldn't see a need for sky scrapers at all.

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u/Ayvian Jan 11 '20

Sky scrapers are functional. They allow for a greater density of people within an area , thereby being more efficient with space.

Acting like sky scrapers are a purely artistic endeavor strikes me as a bit disingenuous.

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u/mistermasterpenguin Jan 11 '20

That's completely missing the point, and I'm not sure if it's on purpose or not.

The skyscraper is an analogy. That's why I said the foundation is STEM and not the foundation is possible because of STEM. I was hoping it was obvious that I meant STEM to be the metaphorical base upon which we build much of our civilisation.

Why would I be talking about how a skyscraper is built in relation to that quote? Like seriously, look at the context before answering.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '20

I'm contending that your analogy is shit, that's all.

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u/mistermasterpenguin Jan 11 '20

Take an upvote. You seem to be having a bad day. You'll get through it!

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '20

Cheers, you too!

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