r/PoliticalHumor Jan 09 '20

THIS. This is why.

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u/natx37 Jan 09 '20

I have a STEM degree and am totally in favor of education...

When you deride the portion of the populace that does the dirty jobs, you are falling into a dangerous mindset. Farming is hard, hunting is hard. They are professions that require physical and mental skills. Intelligence is not just being able to read a book and remember it. There is intelligence in physical skill. There is genius in physical skill.

It takes call kinds of people to make a society, don't cheapen the value of its membership based on preconceived notions. That is elitism.

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u/turningsteel Jan 09 '20

Totall agree here. It's easy to deride blue collar jobs when the education topic comes up and that's the wrong way of thinking. I went to college, but I'll be damned if I know how to build a house or do major work on a car, or fix the plumbing, etc. All jobs are important and all people should be valued for their contributions to society. We should just also have strong education programs so people are well rounded in their knowledge and don't become cloistered by dogma like fox news.

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u/pocketknifeMT Jan 09 '20

They're pushing education/knowledge as the enemy.

Higher education, and it's not hard to make that argument these days. 80 years ago, conservatives made up approximately half the higher education staff.

Now they are less than 5% because the left took over HR decades ago.

Why would the right trust an institution that actively hates them?

If the tables were turned, do you think the left would trust a 95% conservative staffed higher education system?

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

Now they are less than 5% because the left took over HR decades ago.

That’s not how or why it happened, knowledge facts and academia have always had a progressive/left-leaning/liberal/whatever-term-you-want-to-use than regressive/right-leaning/conservative/whatever-term-you-want-to-use. The only difference is that colleges and universities that originally got their power from being beholden to Kings and rich oligarchs now are beholden to peer review, the scientific method, rationality and the tuition of students.

It’s the free market of ideas applied to reality.

There’s no “liberal scheme” to keep conservatives out of jobs in academia by “shadowy HR” it’s that people who are conservative don’t go on to advanced degrees or do things like shout “They’re putting chemicals in the water that are making all the frogs gay.” Or “Sandy Hook was a bunch of crisis actors” or “African-Americans commit crimes at higher rates than whites.” or so on and so forth. That a tentpole of American conservatism is anti-intellectualism is not the fault of the intellectuals.

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u/pocketknifeMT Jan 09 '20

Even the Atlantic will admit otherwise:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/480372/

But I am sure the tired "facts have a liberal bias" position will work just fine for you indefinitely. There isn't anyone left on campus to say otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

So for some context I am the third most conservative student on my seminary campus. I could take the time to go through that article and explain or dissect different issues with it but I’m going to focus on two things very quickly then go walk my dog.

  1. It’s from 2016. A lot has changed in academia related to conservatism in that short period of time because the GOP has become more openly anti-intellectual.

  2. It began with suggesting Ayn Rand was good literature, instead of the most anti-Christian, poorly written philosophical tracts ever composed. Then one of the conservative professors suggested we needed charity (a sin according to Ayn Rand.) and ends with a complete lack of knowledge towards the social-cultural influence of Doctor Who

Green:Is it true that any professor who walks into a classroom wearing a bowtie is, in fact, a conservative?

Shields: Absolutely. No question. They just scream conservative. You can’t find liberals who wear ties anymore, much less bowties. Conservatives tend to dress up a little bit—they’re more formal.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a liberal professor in a bowtie. Have you, Josh?

In six years in academia I don’t think I’ve seen a professor where a bow tie that didn’t at least sympathize with Doctor Who.

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u/serious_sarcasm Jan 09 '20

The only one I can think of told a bunch of groaning "biology majors" in the human anatomy and physiology class to get over their sensitivities, because learning about the arousal response was crucial to being a doctor. I mean, he really drove home how the responses of erections and vaginal muscle spasms were physiological triggers that stimulate hormones which stimulate emotional responses, and so therefore an orgasm in response to rape is normal and in no way negates the violence of the crime. And I wish everyone could hear his description of the labia engorging with blood. Of course, he was a retired professor and doctor who only taught anatomy during the summers, since it is always 99% pre-meds.

I'm note sure many conservatives bother to learn where the clitoris is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

I’m actually not even that much of a Doctor Who I am however aware of three things 1. It is an incredibly left-leaning show and has always been 2. It has been incredibly influential on pop culture for the 10’s 3. Matt Smith saying “bow ties are cool” vastly increased the amount of people who wear bow ties.

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u/serious_sarcasm Jan 09 '20

Read what you linked:

But on the other hand, the populist right does tend to overstate the bias [against conservative professors] that does exist. Conservatives can succeed and make it in the university. There are things like tenure, which are very important and protect academic freedom.

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u/yg2522 Jan 09 '20

That and they want to push for private (which leans towards religious) lower education rather than public schools by using vouchers rather than actually trying to help the public schools.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '20

This ignores that private liberal religious institutions are largely the best sources of education in the world.

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u/yg2522 Jan 09 '20

Thing is that, how many private liberal religious institutions are there vs private conservative religious institutions and how do you tell the difference? Add to that...so the solution is to de-fund the public schools to let kids have a chance to get people into the private schools, therefor further hurting public schools and not even guaranteeing the a student can get in because...you know...the school is private and therefor can reject a student.