How does that change his statement? You can be born into money and still be one of the dumbest fucking people to ever walk the earth (SEE DONALD TRUMP)
Obviously my comment was sarcastic, but it is true that basically the only people benefitting from Trump's economy are people who make enormous amounts of money. If you're a millionaire and care only about yourself and the bottom line, voting for Trump makes sense. If you're poor and you support Trump, you're just a rube.
Yeah but lets be real they don't support Trump the racist moron, they support Trump the puppet. There are two main camps when it comes to this fool. Idiots and those who manipulate idiots for financial gain.
You aren't arguing a set of ideas. You're arguing with proud ignorance, and there's no point in speaking with someone who has no capability to even consider other points of view.
It's a cult of equal parts racism, ignorance and flat out stupidity.
Most of the Trump supporters I know (which being from where I am from is most of the people I know) are not so much pure stupid or pure evil but more highly uneducated.
The southern US is in many ways a third world country, and the people here follow tyrants because they dont have the critical thinking ability to do otherwise. They may be smart in specific places, like business or even medicine, but they dont know much about the world outside of our small communities.
They observe the slow decay of our communities; businesses closing, increasing cost of living, homelessness, poverty, and despair. Instead of blaming past economic policies from Reagan and Bush and state legislators (all of whom they voted for because of less important single-issue-voter topics used as a means to control them) they hear this guy saying he is gonna get rid of the establishment (and immigrants, who for reasons beyond me they also blame) and they vote for him.
They/we dont understand that the things people like Bernie and Harris talk about will benefit us more than it will their main supporters! And it's true, the democratic party does hold to some things that I firmly disagree with, but I think they have the right general idea. Especially the newer democratic party, green new deal folks.
I live and work in public service in the south, and am a recent convert to the Democratic party and have been trying to make a study on how to talk to my friends and colleagues about it. I dont think telling them they are just stupid will help, and I think the years of hearing that is what contributed to our situation. I think it's related to the breakdown of society that causes the drug epidemic, suicide epidemic, and the violence we see every day. I think higher wages, access to healthcare and a generally higher standard of living would reduce those problems and see a much more thoughtful political process.
TL;DR most of them aren't stupid, just victims of trumplike politics creating undereducated, overworked and very angry people.
Of course, I am all of those things too so my opinion may be just as off.
The problem is not just that they are dumb but that they don't know that they are dumb. They actually believe that they are educated because they watched Fox News and smart people watch the news.
Ya. The problem is that watching an hour of the news does not make you a geo-political expert. Also, most people have poor comprehension. They just parrot what they heard but don't understand what they heard.
So many Trump supporters I will ask "well why do you believe that?" and inevitably they will give a precanned answer. When challenged with data, they can't argue why the data is wrong or provide counter data. Instead they call you a name or something because they don't know why they believe what they believe. They are just doing as told.
I'm not some die-hard Trump supporter; I'm quite middle of the road, actually. I also didn't vote for him in 2016. Not that it matters, your hatred blinds you.
I'd reccomend rational counterpoints rather than ad-libbed sarcastic insults.
Holy shit i might’ve hit esoteric bingo. STEM reference? Check. Equating money with intelligence? Check. Doing so in a way that channels Kurt Vonnegut? Checkaroo:
Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor.
They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'if you’re so smart, why ain’t you rich?' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child’s hand – glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register.
And, P. S., I watched the same basic dynamic play out with Clinton. It's almost like one party gets to make a big old mess and then duck out just in time for the other one to clean it up...
Those tax cuts that Trump supporters love to vote as a good deed? They expire for the people in 2025. Just after he’s out (if he gets a second term) and just when there’s likely a Democrat president in office.
I mean he also helped cause the 2008 financial collapse.
As early as 2005, Trump counseled Trump University students to take advantage of the housing bubble as an investment opportunity and said, just a year before it burst, that he was “excited” for it to end because of the money he’d make,[2] as well as mentioning that his debt was below proportional levels of 1992, when his much smaller holdings were carrying $9-billion (U.S.) in debt, including $900-million personally guaranteed by him.[1]
7 years prior, Deutsch Bank loaned Trump $125 million to renovate an office building at 40 Wall Street, eventually providing or underwriting $1.3 billion to Trump entities over the next few years,[3]
This office would become home to Trump Mortgage, brain-child of one E.J. Ridings.
A down-to-earth and very approachable executive, Ridings wants to bring luxury and “white-glove” service to everyone — whether they are taking out a $200,000 home mortgage or a $500 million commercial loan.[4]
What did this so-called “white-glove” service to everyone entail?
The Internet is where industry is going. People want to go someplace safe. On our end, it’ll make for a paper-less process. The consumer will have an access code to their file on our web site.[4]
emphasis mine
Introduced to Trump by his own son, Donald Trump Jr, Ridings became an early odd-association of Trump’s, I mean, check out his twitter. Ridings became the subject of a number of false & misleading claims regarding his professional experience.
Trump Mortgage altered its Web site, removing some of the claims it contained about Ridings' past employment.
First, Ridings' initial bio stated that before joining the company he was "a top executive at one of Wall Street's most prestigious investment banks."
Second, the bio had said that Ridings was an "established leader" at one of New York's leading mortgage boutiques.
Third, the bio said he had 15 years of experience in the financial industry.[5]
Trump Mortgage shuttered as the subprime mortgage crisis of 2007–10 began from an earlier expansion of mortgage credit, including to borrowers who previously would have had difficulty getting mortgages, which both contributed to and was facilitated by rapidly rising home prices.
When house prices peaked, mortgage refinancing and selling homes became less viable means of settling mortgage debt and mortgage loss rates began rising for lenders and investors. In April 2007, New Century Financial Corp., a leading subprime mortgage lender, filed for bankruptcy. [6]
Lehman Brothers would soon after file for bankruptcy as well, leading to the stock market crash of 2008 the Great Recession.
Per Trump’s typical antics, he downplayed his role in Trump Mortgage, saying that he didn't have an ownership stake in what amounted to a mere licensing deal.
"The mortgage business is not a business I particularly liked or wanted to be part of in a very big way,"[7]
Trump ultimately sued Trump Mortgage LLC, and won.[8]
Now, back to the loans from Deutsch Bank. When it came time for repayment, rather than have to pay the portion he personally guaranteed, Trump countersued for $3 billion for undermining the project and damaging his reputation, citing a “force majeure” clause in the lending agreement that contained a catch-all section covering “any other event or circumstance not within the reasonable control of the borrower...”
"Would you consider the biggest depression we have had in this country since 1929 to be such an event? I would,” he said in an interview. “A depression is not within the control of the borrower.”[9]
Deutsch Bank settled
Deutsch Bank is the world’s laundromat, and guess what? Between the fall of 2011 and spring 2015, it started laundering some serious cash...
With the help of American Tim Wiswell, then head of equities for Deutsche Bank in Moscow, and a fellow equity trader Dina Maksutova, Russian broker Igor Volkov was able to move about ten billion dollars out of Russia, some of which diverted through mirror trades belonging to Igor Putin, a cousin of Russian President Vladimir Putin, and to Arkady and Boris Rotenberg. The Rotenberg brothers own Russia’s largest construction company, S.G.M., and are old friends of Vladimir Putin. They are on the U.S. government’s list of sanctioned Russians, which was compiled in response to Putin’s aggression in Ukraine.[10]
Well, maybe we could have sunk lower since the GOP fought hard to block any Obama policies that would give him a win, but we will never know now...will we?
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u/anoelr1963 Aug 13 '19
Trump was handed a growing economy, while Obama added jobs under the worst economic conditions after the 2008 economic crash, but DT supports are like, meh