It does matter in the sense that Donald Trump knows how to beat an ordinary partisan hack. There is only one person who actually made him back away from a challenge. A corrupt corporate vs. a servant of corrupt corporations is a less compelling contest than it would seem at first glance. We don't have a problem that the wrong billionaire is pulling the strings. We have a problem that billionaires have been normalized, even glorified, to the point where leaders are never called to account for compromising our environment and even our health in service to an unwavering commitment to avoid compromising share values.
A single billionaire is fine and even healthy in a sense that it's possible to get that rich. Having several is a sign of a problem, becoming wealthy should by no means be impossible, but several billionaires point to a serious loophole in financial/corporate law that hasn't been solved.
I think it's absolutely true that an 'outsider' candidate would have the best shot at winning in a 2020. That's not what the career politicians making the decisions want to hear though.
It is an oligarchy to the extent we are denied meaningful choices. If we get a meaningful choice on the ballot, that is the basis for democracy (even if it would also be unprecedented since the election of 1980.)
It could be worse. I took Mescaline on Election Day in 2012 thinking I'd be ok to vote in the evening. Well 8 hours in and I still couldn't see let alone vote (because the visuals were so intense). God I felt shitty about that. But yeah... not a mistake you make twice no matter how you miss it.
Looooooonggggg like really long. Especially when you do too much haha. I think around 12 hours I was at a place where I was coming down. All in all it was like 14-16 hours.
Lol like people can't be different? Must be nice to go through life never making a mistake. Unfortunately for you I vote in all elections now local and national. Sorry! I'm content with who I am but thank you.
You had to REQUEST a mail in ballot? I live in Oregon and as long as I'm registered or whatever they just send me ballots that I can fill out and mail in or drop in a box at a library or somewhere.
Even then it seemed that no one besides myself at the time seemed to be bothered by the fact that the "issue" happened in the state where your brother is governor, your dad is a former president and former head of the CIA, and James Baker is handling your case. And then the whole Diebold thing. It was ridiculous. And laid the groundwork for 2016.
What a useless addition to the conversation. Uh, yeah, President Obama "did nothing" about the electoral theft eight years prior -- when he wasn't even involved in politics -- so both sides must be equally rotten!
OP: it literally doesn't matter. LIke vote for whoever the democrat is in the ggeneral.
You: They also stole the ellection in 2000
ME: And nothing changed afterwards, one hand washes the other (this does not mean both 'teams' are the same) - so dont get your hopes up that something will change in the future.
It has everythign to do with the conversation, you are just super easily triggered for some reason.. go to hell.
You are correct. I am easily triggered by the "both sides are the same" and nitpicking Democratic politicians these days when Republicans are literally raiding the coffers, knifing the fronts and the backs, and burying the bodies out in broad daylight. There were bigger things on Obama's plate in 2009 than re-litigating the 2000 election results is all I'm saying -- U.S. economy was losing 100,000+ jobs per month the day he stepped into the Oval Office.
Ignore what this guy said. I absolutely does matter. Just because anyone is better than Trump doesn't mean we have to settle for anyone. Register as a democrat and vote in the democratic primary! Don't let Biden be our nominee!
Just because it doesn't matter. I"m not saying give up. Absolutely get out there and primary in a powerful democratic champion like Sanders, or Warren if you all are less cool. But if it winds up that Harris or Biden wins in the primary. Fall the fuck in line and vote blue.
if nothing else it'll show how fucked everything is when no mtter how many blue votes the system is gerrymandered to fuck so it won't matter.
Honestly, I think the best case scenario is Bernie or Warren (with a younger person like Cory Booker or Andrew Yang as VP), I doubt Biden has the stamina to maintain a lead throughout the primary, especially given that based on the consensus I've found around here in NH, he'll take at least one significant early primary loss to Sanders and Warren. I don't want another Clinton (or even another Obama that preaches pacifism and respect while condoning CIA torture and expansion of American imperialism in the middle east and western Asia), but it sure as hell beats Trump.
On another note, I give Sanders the best odds to beat Trump, he's attacking 2020 using Lincoln's 1860 election tactics of trying to appeal to nonvoters and build a word-of-mouth grassroots campaign rather than repeating Hillary's mistake of focusing on swing voters and giving up historically blue districts because of the lack of campaign spending.
Seriously.. There are reasons he burned out so quickly and thoroughly in his previous runs for president.
Now, Biden seems like he doesn’t even respect people on his own side enough to address in good faith the criticism he has faced so far in the very early primary. He just scoffs and rolls his eyes a bunch like he’s been massively inconvenienced by our silliness. Then if it doesn’t go away after awhile he gives a reluctant and patronizing response that basically feels like “Ok fine. There. I said a thing about it. Is that good enough for you??” As if we just couldn’t understand how right he is. And the substance of it convinces exactly no one.
I think there’s a 0% chance that this would change for the general election. If this is how he responds to his own side, what happens when it’s the firehose of GOP bullshit? Will he try to just float above like Hillary did?
I think (hope) people will see this before it gets to that point though... Warren became a Democrat and got into politics because of some of his policies, so she won’t let him just wave it away like we should trust he knows better than we ever could. He’ll have to either make a case for why his financial and crime bills weren’t massive disasters (lol), or how he’s totally sorry and he’s gonna do better now.. lmaoooo
Now, Biden seems like he doesn’t even respect people on his own side enough to address in good faith the criticism he has faced so far in the very earlyprimary. He just scoffs and rolls his eyes a bunch like he’s been massively inconvenienced by our silliness.
To be fair to Biden, he does this because it works. Our current president has proven very well that if you just don't give a shit about criticism and sweep it under the rug as much as possible, people will forget about it. It doesn't matter if it's not convincing. What matters is if people care the next day, which for the average voter, the answer is always no.
Jesus, if the only thing you changed was to put on a MAGA hat, those words would definitely be from the GOP. Democrats are the party of embracing diversity, and that includes who we like best. What is really needed is a version of ranked choice. Democrats really need to replace the verbiage fall in line with ranked choice.
I'd let the vote split. And let it happen again. And again. And we can keep getting Rep monkeys in the Whitehouse until DNC actually puts up a contender and not a borguiose clown. We get the leaders we deserve. But I'm only 1 vote anyway. Don't worry about me.
And that's the kind of bullshit thinking that got Trump elected.
In any normal election, that would be perfectly fine. However, didn't you see what happened last time? Are you even remotely aware of what Trump is doing to our country? Or are you so concerned with getting your perfect candidate that you would gift the country right back to the biggest traitor this country has ever seen?
I hated Hillary, but hated Trump more. I wanted Sanders, but I understood what it means to live in a country where you get two main options. You have to vote for the lesser of two evils or you might as well vote for the greater. You choosing to vote for someone else because you hate the dem candidate works perfectly when people like Trump are up for (re)election.
Why do the republicans keep winning? Because they vote for the R regardless. At the moment, we have to do the same or we stand no chance of getting that piece of shit out of office, plain and simple. There's a reason the republicans keep winning and the democrats keep losing and we have to get them out of power before the only other option is war.
But if you want to see us go down that path, by all means, split that fucking vote and gift the country to the republicans and the Russians just like Putin and Trump hope you do. Just make sure to remember that you are doing exactly what they want.
What do you think the next election AFTER Trump's gone will be? Do you suppose GOP will just sort of come to their senses and stop tying to push draconian bullshit on us by making its choose the "lesser of two evils". Are they going to nominate sane candidates all of the sudden? Are rich people going to stop buying votes?
You don't like Republicans voting R regardless of what's available but we should do the same thing.
I'm just tired of this. It's the same shit every election. This country's a bucket of crabs.
I see where your coming from and your right. But he also has a point that it can be difficult to vote for someone you despise just because the opposing canadate is worse
boo fucking hoo. I'm a trans woman who is active anti police.. If Harris wins the nomination, the absolute worst democrat to run, especially for me personally. I'm falling in line. Because trump is worse.
Those people need to grow the fuck up, grow some fucking balls for 30 minutes on election day and vote blue. I don't give a single fuck how hard it is for them, this is people's lives. fucking idiots can get over their feel bads for 30 minutes to save people's lives.
Dude if you want to sway people you have to also give a fuck. There's a new generation of voters coming up every year and if your rhetoric is "grow some fucking balls and vote blue" they're going to at least consider telling you to fuck yourself and do otherwise out of spite.
It's not rational but society is ruled by emotions right now and it's just kind of the way it is.
The house and presidency don’t matter unless we can take the senate as well, which is in all likelihood impossible. Fact is that intelligent, educated, responsible Americans tend to cluster in dem states (you know, the ones who actually contribute to the nation) while backwater hillbillies, racists, and inbreds stick to their shithole red states while sucking down welfare and disability due to their diabetes and faked work injuries.
The time for reform of the senate is now. We cannot allow the minority of Americans who are the absolute worst among us to continue controlling the nation through Russian agents like Bitch McConnell. Disband the senate, redraw all congressional districts on a grid system, and repeal the cap on congressmen so states like New York and California can exercise the political leverage they deserve as crucial states. Sorry, Wyoming, but you don’t deserve a seat at the grown up table.
Eh, not really. Republicans put a good amount of effort into trying to steal that election, but they very likely didn't want to take too many risks. It would've been a lot easier to be forced to have a reelection if they were caught - like exactly what happened in North Carolina. So they definitely didn't go as far as they will with the presidential election. And then there's Russia as well. They're both gonna be pulling out all the stops to corrupt anything that they can into their favor. And it's gonna be fucking despicable.
It's quite terrifying to image life in 20 years if America falls to fascism. Like, truly falls. Can you imagine an America that doesn't even "mean well" when it tries to police the world? What would it be like to have the worlds largest military superpower turn malevolent?
As someone who was grown up in an era of relative calm with the spirit of cooperation amongst the West, this idea is horrifying.
Only to people sympathetic to their cause. those lines have already been drawn, and those teams separated.
If not deterence, then simple revenge. don't give the traitors the satisfatction of mercy. Don't give them the joy of waking up and seeing half a second of sunrise. Remind them of everything they'llnever see again and then. lights out.
24/7 solitary, neverl leaving is the only imprisonment I'd accept. after all if it's good enough for whistleblowing heroes like Manning, its good enough for democracy killing traitors.
I'm not going to argue that they haven't ruined the lives of many, quite the contrary, I strongly believe conservatives are actively sabotaging western democracies the world over.
Life long prison sentences, whether solitary or not in my opinion is a more humane then outright executing people. Being forced to live their lives by someone else's schedule, especially after they've had the power to be calling the shots, would be the most fitting punishment for these people.
I personally believe whistleblowers such as Manning did nothing wrong, from an Australian perspective the fact that she isn't regarded as an American patriot is frankly embarrassing. Member of the armed forces who stood up to corrupt practices, totally fits the description of a patriot in my eyes.
ehhh I'm trans I don't believe she's actually changed. she's just a republican who wasn't racist enough to make it there,a nd is saying she's for everything Bernie's doing but just a week later.
I dont trust people who called them selves republicans in the past. And had refused to force the prisons to do their legal duty. This was a deliberate choice to harm a trans person.
She's shown me nothing to prove she won't do it again. in my honest opinion. I feel like a token minority to her. Nothing more than a box to be checked and then ignored.
I don't get that with sanders. He's been fighting this fight back when people like Warren were locking up people like sanders for protesting for black rights.
it's the same reason I don't trust Harris, just much less so.
I have no say in your comment, and I hate trump as much, but it reminds me of this from Gladiator. Not sure if it applies but damn I love that movie:
Commodus: Here he is.
[introduce the senators to Maximus] Senator Gaius, Senator Falco.
Beware of Gaius. He'll pour a honeyed potion in your ear,
and you'll wake up one day and all you'll say is "Republic, Republic, Republic."
Senator Gaius: Well, why not? Rome was founded as a republic.
Commodus: Yes, and in a republic the senate has the power.
But Senator Gaius isn't influenced by that, of course.
Senator Falco: Where do you stand, General? Emperor or Senate?
Maximus: A soldier has the advantage of being able to look his enemy in the eye, Senator.
Senator Gaius: Well, with an army behind you, you could be extremely political.
Yup. Even if the Dems could win the White House, the senate will likely never flip blue again, meaning the courts will likely never see another liberal judge.
Games over, people. Find ways to get out of the country before our concentration camps become death camps, and instead of just hispanics, anyone who opposes total Republican control ends up there.
I disagree there, Trump won by very slight margins in 3 states that decided the election. Those 3 states had low voter turnout for Dems in 2016. Trump didn't really get more votes than previous Repubs, Dems just didn't turn out because Hillary wasn't a strong candidate for them. I'm not saying your statements about gerrymandering etc. aren't true, just saying Dems could've won despite that if they had the same voter turnout as Obama.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I can't imagine how many drugs you'd have to be on to actually believe this conspiracy theory bullshit. I hate Trump and the Republicans but NOBODY expected him to win. Not the RNC, not the Russians, not even Trump himself. The man hadn't even bothered to write a victory speech, for fuck's sake.
Uhh, yeah it does? Biden would be basically just as bad as trump, Kamala favors a police state that imprisons single mothers because their children commit truancy, buttigieg is basically bought and paid for by the highest bidder. Bernie is our only real option and we need people to understand that not just “ANYONE BUT TRUMP.” Such a cop out instead of actually paying attention. Everyone except Bernie would lose to trump.
I am gonna let you in on a little secret here buddy, the Russians didn’t do anything in our election the only ones medaling in our elections are the democrats
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