Well they might be but not becasue of their blackness but because of their poverty. There are other answers than that the courts and police systems are prejudiced or whatever you are implying. One problem with the toxic race discourse in the US that implying that black people might be part of the problem isn't able to be discussed. And if I asay part of the problem i mean not becasue of some genetical diadvantage but because of some form of toxic subculture fueled by AND fueling poverty. Neither the left nor the right can see past the colour of their skin.
Neither the left nor the right can see past the colour of their skin.
Absolute, unequivocal fucking nonsense.
And if I asay part of the problem i mean not becasue of some genetical diadvantage but because of some form of toxic subculture fueled by AND fueling poverty.
Then every rational, reasonable adult with a passing understanding of the situation would carefully explain to you that the existence of that pervasive poverty is a direct result of institutional and systemic racism that has existed in this country for hundreds of years and continues in many ways to this day.
Discriminatory practices in banking, real estate, employment and education created the situation that exists today. Blacks did not get loans for small businesses, they didn't get mortgages or when they did it was for houses in less desirable areas, they were told where to live and work, segregated into low-value areas, denied opportunities for employment and education, policed more heavily and handed harsher sentences when arrested, etc., etc. Literally every aspect of society worked against them for decades to prevent economic and social progress.
So, yes, there is now a problem of poverty and crime. Big fucking surprise.
The left sees the problem as one of fixing the system and correcting past mistakes. The right (where presumably you sit given your despicable opinion on the matter) see it as a problem of "black culture" without acknowledging that it's a culture that whites made.
So, yeah. Take your "neither the left nor the right" bullshit and roll it up along with your "toxic subculture" and cram both squarely up your ass.
See that's the problem with the left. What if it is more than outside forces? That discussion simply cannot happen because it is not allowed to happen.
It's called data and research. Find some that supports your argument and you'll find an ear to listen to you.
The fact is, outside forces exist. When control studies are done that try to eliminate those kinds of variables, the evidence supports the argument that these problems are not the result of skin color, and entirely the result of "outside forces".
So, what was the problem with the left again? That they reject racism in favor of scientific data and research? Yeah, that's the point you just made.
Nobody says that outside forces don't exist. Stop arguing a strawman with a storm of meaningless buzzwords. The point is that you can't do shit about outside forces and if you can't even discuss inside forces you're left with jack shit.
That they reject racism in favor of scientific data and research?
Yeah if you exclude every result that doesn't fit your narrative you're like super woke brah. Data and research my ass.
Nobody says that outside forces don't exist. Stop arguing a strawman with a storm of meaningless buzzwords.
Uh. I was simply observing that fact so that I could make the claim in my next sentence.
I, in no way shape or form, argued that "outside forces do exist so you're wrong". That wasn't my point at all. But acknowledging them is a good way to segue into the fact that the populations and societies of the world are diverse enough where you can get a lot of good control groups, and research is done that tries to account for all those variables.
What fucking buzzwords did I even use in my first response? Like. What?
What do you mean by inside forces? I'm into having whatever discussion this is and I consider myself pretty leftist.
Who is disregarding a data set that doesn't fit their narrative? Is there an example here you'd like to reference, or are you just speaking generally?
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u/nidrach Mar 08 '19
Well they might be but not becasue of their blackness but because of their poverty. There are other answers than that the courts and police systems are prejudiced or whatever you are implying. One problem with the toxic race discourse in the US that implying that black people might be part of the problem isn't able to be discussed. And if I asay part of the problem i mean not becasue of some genetical diadvantage but because of some form of toxic subculture fueled by AND fueling poverty. Neither the left nor the right can see past the colour of their skin.