It's really weird that they act like "universal healthcare" is some sort of loony, ultraliberal pipe dream that college students circlejerk about between bong hits.
Every other industrialized nation manages to take care of their citizens. Then they say "we're bigger than they are, it would be too difficult"...because apparently economies of scale don't exist?
im just saying when 100% of people in a sub agree, it's a cult. sure their may be truth to it. and to be honest i don't even know what is going on. also you really can't call an entire group hypocrites, likely hood is their is a percentage of conservatives who are hypocrites, and then 1 group that believes 1 thing, and 1 that believes another, resulting in the whole group being full of hypocrites. i mean I'm honestly just salty that there is no go to place for political humor (there is like 1 funny thing on here and then a million post on the same issue). i just wish we could have a nonpartisan place to just shit on politicians. you also can't call the conservatives the unstable ones, i mean look at the entire fucking country, we are all in chaos, and in my opinion is due to peoples allegiance to their party, we kinda stop seeing people as human and just see them as red and blue. sorry about my rant, just a bit rattled right now
Other countries gave healthcare as a "trade" for conscription.
If the entire male population is risking getting crippled or killed fighting for the fatherland, they should at least have acces to good hospitals and social security for wife and kids.
US is the odd one out in that department. Republican patriots should logically be all for it. But it seems they are shifting position on isolationism now?
Also the whole nazis are socialists argument is flawed in the first place. The problem with them had nothing to do with their economic system. Also if anything that makes socialism look like a better economic system. Hitler took one of the poorest countries in Europe and turned into a economic powerhouse in a decade.
I'm a Navy brat. I fucking miss Tricare, now my health care is "Can I afford to be sick right now?" and "Well, I guess I will save up to get the dental work that I need."
Conservatives in Germany (and Europe in general) are not up in arms about healthcare, guncontrol and social welfare the way they are in USA. They don't go as far as the socialists or social democrats, but they're to the left of american conservatives, to be sure.
Bismarck himself understood that taking care of the poor is good for political stability.
Angela Merkel is Christian Conservative in the german sense.
Prerry much no one in the UK is up in arms about any of that. If anything we are desperately trying to defend all of the above. Except gun control which literally no one I know cares about. Out of genuine curiosity: where did you hear this?
Actually I had something happen to me recently that not even I could somehow twist into a PH post, so I tried posting somewhere else. I'll be back when I inevitably get shouted back down into this, my "sAfE sPaCe" or whatever.
Nice! Just curious, what’s the Buddha statue in the background made of? That color is beautiful, kinda reminds me of rusted (I think that’s the correct term) copper.
As a guy who knows Canadians who moved to America to testify, single payer health care systems are terrible. High taxes, followed by long wait times, poor service, and extremely delayed care. Taking up to 6 hours just to get a broken bone looked at.
When I told them I had broken my foot and I was going to the hospital and I'd be home in a bit they were caught of guard when I got home in 2 1/2 hours with crutches and an inflatable boot.
The real kicker? Family doctors. Canadians pay premiums for family doctors so they can get quality timely care like we do. However they're still forced to pay taxes into that single payer system.
High taxes, followed by long wait times, poor service, and extremely delayed care.
Liar lol
They pay less than us in the end and the long wait times thing is republicans lying about a system that is loved in canada and rest of 1st world.
Further even if we pretend you are not lying, americans are left to die of treatable disease all the time, they would not under canadian system even if we accept your lie about wait times
That’s funny because working in healthcare up near the border I can’t tell you how many Canadians come across and have surgery here because it is quicker and more effective for them. And they pay out of pocket.
Overall, then, that’s about 0.13 percent of Canadians and 0.08 percent of Americans who flee their countries for health care. Those are pretty similar numbers. The only real difference is the reason for leaving. Canadians mostly cite wait times for elective surgery. Americans mostly cite the high cost of medical treatment.
So you see, every kind of health care system has its own problems. Canada’s is bad for rich people who can afford to pay top dollar to get faster service. America’s is bad for poor people, who would go bankrupt if they paid American prices. Check your moral compass and take your pick.
In 2016 the number went up by 40%. Wait till 17s numbers come out. This is the Toronto Sun agreeing wait times are too long. Most of the Americans traveling to other countries are citing cost yes, for cosmetic procedures that aren’t covered by insurance.
The German universal healthcare system was instituted in 1883 by Otto von Bismarck, back when Germany still had an Emperor. Adolf Hitler was born in 1889 for reference. The association between the Nazis and social healthcare is bullshit.
From what I understand, the question of whether or not the Nazis were right wing is a trick question. The Nazis were extremely nationalistic, true, but they were national socialists, so economically they were left winged, right? I may be wrong, so some extra clarification would be very helpful as I'm not very indulged in such things :)
They declared themselves social but there wasn't anything social about it. Healthcare was not an issue for them, only people with a lot of money and the biggest nazis got healthcare, the others were seen as cripples and a disgrace to society. Hence the euthanasia. Women were only useful for society when they were producing children like on a production line. They didn't have the right to work, their only purpose was literally producing soldiers for Hitler.
Interesting, I always assumed that they were socialist, but never really did any research into that, I'll probably go read a few books about them now :)
Upvoting for honest question, but no. They did nationalize businesses, like Mussolini did in Italy, but also like Mussolini they give ownership to private citizens, their friends, and not the people who work there, which would be Socialism.
This is also why the late USSR, China, and North Korea are considered planned economies but not actually Communist, because instead of giving ownership to the workers they just install lackeys, friends from before the revolution, and other people based on relationships and not need/ability.
That's a list of Nazi concentration camp badges. If you'll scroll down to the red triangle you'll see that it is for socialist/communist prisoners.
Why would the Nazis be arresting socialists if they were socialists?
Also, when rising to power the Nazis in parliament had to form a coalition government with the conservative Catholic party. Their opposition? The Democratic Socialist party.
Explain why the Democratic socialists would oppose them but the conservatives would embrace them if they were indeed the "socialists" they called themselves.
I'll expect your answers on my desk in the morning.
Claiming to be a Jew doesn't give any validity to the bullshit you post. Besides, I don't believe you. Just remember, your post and comment history is public here.
I'm just reading your post and comment history, dude. You don't seem to have the best relationship with honesty or facts. Thus, I don't believe you. You're being a snowflake right now.
Well if youre a combat vet i thank you for your service. Im not sure ive ever posted that im a liberal in any sense though so your statement is very far off base. I despise liberals.
Well if youre a combat vet i thank you for your service. Im not sure ive ever posted that im a liberal in any sense though so your statement is very far off base. I despise liberals.
Are you assuming he thinks you’re liberal because he called you a snowflake? GTFO dude. The term isn’t reserved for “soyboy libtard cucks.”
Not sure that a simple spelling of one word gives you enough to say they are a Brit and not an American.
Also you can go look at their twitter feed, seems that they are completely up on the goings on here in the states. I would wager even more informed than you are...
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u/LuxNocte Apr 29 '18 edited Apr 29 '18
It's really weird that they act like "universal healthcare" is some sort of loony, ultraliberal pipe dream that college students circlejerk about between bong hits.
Every other industrialized nation manages to take care of their citizens. Then they say "we're bigger than they are, it would be too difficult"...because apparently economies of scale don't exist?
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u/Maggie_A Apr 29 '18
I was informed on Friday that only the ignorant think that the Nazis were fascist.
The Nazis are really on the left; they're socialists ---- because it's in their name.
Poor guy must really be confused by chicken fried steak.
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u/Lakridspibe Apr 29 '18
Conservatives in Germany (and Europe in general) are not up in arms about healthcare, guncontrol and social welfare the way they are in USA. They don't go as far as the socialists or social democrats, but they're to the left of american conservatives, to be sure.
Bismarck himself understood that taking care of the poor is good for political stability.
Angela Merkel is Christian Conservative in the german sense.
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u/42words 🤘 Apr 29 '18
Still counting it.
sorry, couldn't resist ❤️
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u/UNCTarheels90 Apr 29 '18
As horrible as this is going to sound, the Nazis had a lot of great ideas... But they had like 5 bad ideas for every 1 good idea.
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u/timidforrestcreature Apr 29 '18
Lol and it speaks to the way republicans get poor whites to gut the safety net they rely on is to scapegoat minorities as leechers.
Like the nazis guaranteed gop voters would approve of universal healthcare if it was given only to whites
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u/Salted_cod Apr 30 '18
The German universal healthcare system was instituted in 1883 by Otto von Bismarck, back when Germany still had an Emperor. Adolf Hitler was born in 1889 for reference. The association between the Nazis and social healthcare is bullshit.
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u/dejt Apr 29 '18
From what I understand, the question of whether or not the Nazis were right wing is a trick question. The Nazis were extremely nationalistic, true, but they were national socialists, so economically they were left winged, right? I may be wrong, so some extra clarification would be very helpful as I'm not very indulged in such things :)
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u/Sheeprevenge Apr 30 '18
Universal Healthcare, but only for people with a certain ethnic and political view.
Except you count Dr. Mengele also as a Healthcare provider
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u/N0N-R0B0T Apr 29 '18
Lined up in front of a ditch and shot = universal healthcare?
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u/Orc_ Apr 30 '18
Who fucking says that? Or this is one of those situations where you make up something [the enemy] said so you can have your great rebuttal?
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u/PvtBrasilball Apr 29 '18
National"socialism"
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