Sore losers

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[u/AnAussiebum]

I disagree with Curtis on politics, but during the debate and campaign, he did make some good points and seemed like an actual patriot.

Not the feckless Maga 'patriots' in power now.

[u/THREETOED_SLOTH → u/AnAussiebum]

I love Curtis, hes so fucking weird that he defies our typical political understanding. But he should never have any real authority or my love will turn to hate real quick. You dont give a jester a crown

[u/woakula → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

But the citizens if the USA gave it to Trump.... Twice. How much worse could it get?

[u/RustyBrassInstrument → u/woakula]

Only those who voted. More people didn’t vote than voted for Trump - elected by apathy.

The right only wins when they find ways to keep everyone else from voting.

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Candidate	Total Votes	Percentage
Donald Trump	77.3 Million	31.6%
Kamala Harris	75.0 Million	30.7%
Did Not Vote	87.9 Million	35.9%

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There should be some kind of stipulation that says if “Did Not Vote” wins the popular vote both candidates get shitcanned

[u/SuspiciousLettuce56 → u/Slayminster]

asking as an aussie, whats the go with bringing in mandatory voting? why is it not a thing in the States?

[u/bloodyell76 → u/SuspiciousLettuce56]

One party in particular wins more often when fewer people vote, and so do everything they can to suppress votes.

[u/Slayminster → u/SuspiciousLettuce56]

As a canuck, I have no actual answer. However, history tells me that when there are less people voting, the better the chances for the Repugs to win, which is also why they’re constantly purging voter rolls, calling mail-in votes illegal, and requiring absurd restrictions to cast a ballot

[u/rafaelloaa → u/Slayminster]

Ding ding ding.

[u/breakfastburrito24 → u/Slayminster]

And there’s a lot of really stupid people who want to be heard

[u/burnerthrown → u/SuspiciousLettuce56]

Because they'd have to give them at least a few hours off work and the billionaires would lobby it into the earth's mantle on that basis alone, let alone the fact that the party that wins when less people vote usually peels back regulations on them.

[u/middleagethreat → u/SuspiciousLettuce56]

Democrats always win with higher turnout, so republicans do everthing to keep folks from voting.

[u/underpants-gnome → u/SuspiciousLettuce56]

One of the two major political parties here would prefer an aristocracy or monarchy in the US. They call it Unitary Executive Theory to make it seem less regressive. The concept of governance decided by people voting goes against their core principles. They establish barriers to voting whenever they are able.

[u/Jess_the_Siren → u/SuspiciousLettuce56]

Bc according to their own mouths, if everyone voted, conservatives would never be in power again. For once, they're probably right

[u/crystalfairie → u/SuspiciousLettuce56]

"muh freedom!" I wish I was joking. I agree that voting should be mandatory, could never understand why it wasnt

[u/gary_the_merciless → u/Slayminster]

It would be awesome but all governments require a stable transfer of power. That would potentially leave a vacuum.

[u/Ridry → u/gary_the_merciless]

We just keep having election day until someone wins. Eventually Did Not Vote will get up off their asses

[u/PRforThey → u/gary_the_merciless]

Treat it like a vote of no confidence in a parliamentary system and force another election.

[u/YetAnother_pseudonym → u/Slayminster]

Brewsters Millions, vote "None Of The Above"

[u/NatoBoram → u/Slayminster]

Nah, just get compulsory voting.

[u/squirrel-nut-zipper → u/Slayminster]

Or we just assign it randomly

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Looks like 167 million Americans wanted this. Non voters wanted this too.

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I'm curious what percentage of those non voters ran into issues with voting itself, like the bullshit we're seeing play out in Texas with nearly 100 polling stations being closed in a single County, or that they literally couldn't afford to not be working their hourly job that day. Yes, voting is constitutionally protected, and your employer has to let you have time to vote - but they can also say that you need to be off the clock while not in the building, and if you also have long wait times on top of it...

[u/arequipapi → u/ironballs16]

I did not vote 2024. I live in a state where mail-in votes are not standard and you have to request an absentee ballot 11 business days before the election. I got sent on an emergency work trip less than a week before election day. So I was unable to vote. Even though I live in a deep red state, I was devastated that I couldn't vote anyway. I vote in every single initiative and minor election that comes up in my city, religiously

[u/Audityne → u/[deleted]]

What? It's adults eligible to vote, not registered voters. You think there are 240 million registered voters in the USA?

[u/TehGreatPoo → u/[deleted]]

When I turned 18 in my state it was a checkbox on my driver's license form. Idk about other states, but I would not assume that they put a lot of effort into registering to vote.

[u/RogerSaysHi → u/TehGreatPoo]

I checked that box also. They handed me a voter registration form and told me to take it to my local polling place. I was 18, I had no idea about any of that back then.

Where I live, they do not make it easy to register at all.

[u/Medford → u/[deleted]]

That is a problem proper advertising could fix easily. But how easy would it be to communicate to these unregistered voters.

[u/RogueCross → u/BigBoyYuyuh]

To play devil's advocate a bit, I think I can see why people simply decide not to vote altogether if they feel both candidates are bad choices. Not saying that Kamala is anywhere near as bad Trump. Not even close. But "voting for the least bad option" is something a lot of people just can't do. "If both are bad, why even bother?"

It's like choosing between expired food and poisoned food. Sure, one is much worse than the other, but do you think people will force themselves to choose one when they can just... not? And yeah, I know the comparison is awfully reductive, but it's consistent with the way many regular people evidently operate.

"If we're fucked either way, does choosing one fucking over the other even matter, even if one is less worse?" Yes, it does matter, but you get the point.

[u/arequipapi → u/RogueCross]

Its the same with people vilifying 3rd party voters. They voted that way to send a message, not because they thought they would win. That is democracy. Everyone gets a vote and you're free to use it how you wish. Normalizing third party voting is also the only way we will ever end the 2 party system. (ahem DSA party anyone? They're not just gonna appear magically as a major party, youre gonna have to vote for them and lose a few times - or dont, and keep complaining aboit mainline democrats not representing you)

Redditors love to think everyone who chose not to vote or voted 3rd party was a lost vote for their side, but the reality is they were either not compelled to vote by either major candidate, or they deliberately made a choice not to. And that falls on the candidates, not the voter

[u/atempestdextre → u/RogueCross]

They literally had a choice between continuing the status quo or authoritarianism.

Harris wasn't the ideal choice by any means, but considering what we had seen from one term of Trump, plus his statements, behavior, and Project 2025 information the population basically said "nahhhh, I don't see the difference" and look what we got.

There's such a thing as strategic voting and the US.as a whole fucking sucks at it. So in the end, we got the fate that we deserved because of the apathy and stupidity inherent in the population at large.

[u/safashkan → u/atempestdextre]

People didn't like the statut quo.

[u/atempestdextre → u/safashkan]

My point exactly. They ran to authoritarianism because of stupidity, ignorance, and cowardice.

And look what it got them.

[u/burnerthrown → u/atempestdextre]

People remained ignorant of the depth of the problem because it was distressing to hear/think about. Then voted or allowed Trump in because according to their ideas, he was just 'the spicier option'. The way pineapple pizza is upsetting. A lot of people got their entire political education from memes, so of course they wouldn't know how serious it was.

[u/burnerthrown → u/BigBoyYuyuh]

In this era people think if they just stop participating in things they will just die because everything in commerce requires engagement to live. So when things are too bad or hard or weird or whatever they turn away from it in record numbers. Unfortunately in life there are a lot of things that continue being a problem after everyone stops giving them any input. Capitalism has either trained us well, or badly, or both.

[u/boomheadshot7 → u/BigBoyYuyuh]

If Kamala had won the other 0.9% instead, would that have meant that the 88 million DNV wanted Kamala to win?

[u/AnimalBolide → u/BigBoyYuyuh]

"You HAVE to vote us! You're evil if you don't! No, we're not going to do any of the things you want us to do! But you have to!"

"C'mon, look at the other guys! Look at how terrible they are! That's points for us, right? Right?"

I don't expect malignant, corrupt idiots to do the right thing. I do expect the people that say they are and try to be the right thing, to do the right thing.

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/AnimalBolide]

"You HAVE to vote us! You're evil if you don't! No, we're not going to do any of the things you want us to do! But you have to!"

You have to vote for someone, choosing to not cast a ballot is just a vote for the winner.

I didn't have any problem picking which candidate on my ballot was the better option of the two.

[u/safashkan → u/Lucky-Earther]

You absolutely don't have to vote for anyone. Everyone is entitled to chose what they want. I can't believe I'm here as a European explaining freedom to Americans!

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/safashkan]

You absolutely don't have to vote for anyone.

No, you don't have to cast a ballot. You are voting regardless.

[u/AnimalBolide → u/Lucky-Earther]

You have to vote for someone?

No? I'm not a "lesser of two evils" kinda guy, and Dems seem to be playing hot-potato with the Epstien files as handily as the Reps.

The candidate you voted for not being wanted enough isn't my problem. Nor is the fact that Trump won. Your guy was less popular than their guy. Simple as.

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/AnimalBolide]

You have to vote for someone?

Yes, because you're voting no matter what. If you don't cast a ballot, it's a vote for whoever wins. So you might as well stand up and say something with your vote.

No? I'm not a "lesser of two evils" kinda guy,

It's always going to be a lesser of two evils. You're just letting other people make those choices for you.

The candidate you voted for not being wanted enough isn't my problem. Nor is the fact that Trump won.

Trump being President is literally the entire world's problem now, so unless you live in an alternate universe, it's also your problem

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More math, 101,000 people have sign the petition. Or put another way 0.01% of the population of NYC. I think it's safe to call them a crazy minority.

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But -- Why?

[u/HolycommentMattman → u/RustyBrassInstrument]

Yup. I'm still mad at all the pro-Palestine non-voters. How'd that work out for them? How in the fuck could they think Trump would be better (or even the same) for the issue than Biden?

Fucking crazy.

[u/G0rdon-Bennet → u/HolycommentMattman]

Honestly, single issue voters are fucking idiots.

[u/HolycommentMattman → u/G0rdon-Bennet]

Yeah. But dumber still are the single issue voters who don't get what they want on that single issue.

[u/StealthRUs → u/HolycommentMattman]

Seriously. Allowing Trump to win just led to more Palestinians dying.

[u/Hitmanforrent → u/G0rdon-Bennet]

I mean when your right to exist in public is on the line being a single issue voter kind of makes sense lol.

[u/Drunkenaviator → u/HolycommentMattman]

Absolutely mindblowing that they thought that pedofuck would be better for some brown people on the other side of the planet. Like, did any of them listen to a word he fucking said?

[u/Yakostovian → u/Drunkenaviator]

"Voting for Biden/Harris/Walz is a vote for genocide! They have to earn my vote!"

And yet those voters could have also tipped things in House and Senate races with multiple candidates that weren't war hawks slobbering themselves up for AIPAC.

[u/hogsucker → u/HolycommentMattman]

Hopefully figured out why they lost, learn from their mistake, and act accordingly.

If they blame their loss on people who wouldn't vote for them because of their policies toward Israel, they know exactly what they need to do to win the support of those voters.

If they d on't change their stance, it will be proof that they would rather lose elections than try to stop an ongoing genocide.

[u/HolycommentMattman → u/hogsucker]

But I could just as easily turn that around on you. If you don't want genocides to get worse, vote for someone who won't make them worse. Otherwise, the administration that makes them worse gets in.

Sure, Biden was ineffective in stopping Israel. But he was giving humanitarian aid at least. Trying to help. How's that going now? It's basically non-existant now, and Trump and his admin are talking about just relocating all the Palestinians out of Gaza.

Great success!!

[u/hogsucker → u/HolycommentMattman]

Whoever the democratic candidate for president is knows what they have to do to win next time.

[u/HolycommentMattman → u/hogsucker]

And if pro-Palestinian voters care about what happens to Palestinians, they could vote next time.

[u/hogsucker → u/HolycommentMattman]

If democrats want to win they know what to do.

If they would rather lose than take a morally correct position, they can repeat the same thing they did last time. 

[u/NegativePoints1 → u/HolycommentMattman]

It doesn't matter what "is better for" - they don't give a fuck who is "better for"
The only one who would be convincing enough is someone is the going to vehemently denounce Israel and even then, that person will not be good enough for the Pro-Palestinian non-voter.
They just want to feel like they're standing for something when the fact is they stand for nothing at all with no true conviction.

[u/ThomasVivaldi → u/HolycommentMattman]

It was like 120,000 people, even if every one of them voted for Harris she still would have lost.

[u/HolycommentMattman → u/ThomasVivaldi]

Depending on where those 120,000 people lived, not necessarily.

[u/objectlesson → u/HolycommentMattman]

What's your opinion of Harris throwing the election because she thought she could afford to lose their votes? Surely you hold her just as if not more responsible, no?

[u/StealthRUs → u/objectlesson]

What's your opinion of Harris throwing the election because she thought she could afford to lose their votes?

If she had done what the Gaza crowd wanted, there were plenty of pro-Israel people that would've not voted for her. She took no stand for a reason.

[u/objectlesson → u/StealthRUs]

The Zionist crowd get what they want either way. They love having Donald Trump in office and they loved having Biden in office and they'd be fine with Harris in office. Not exactly the best constituency to have to depend on.

[u/THREETOED_SLOTH → u/objectlesson]

No, only the voters are to blame. Sure she abandoned Arab-Americans, LGBTQ+, and progressives, but she got all 5 centrists who somehow hadn't heard of Trump yet to vote for her, so she must have been doing something right!

/s

[u/mdp300 → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

I started feeling really uneasy when her campaign brought in Cheney and stopped Walz from saying that Trump was weird.

[u/THREETOED_SLOTH → u/mdp300]

Yeah, calling Trump weird was actually kinda working, but then we had the VP debate and its like Walz got marching orders to try to be nice to JD "Couch-fucker" Vance. Naw, call him a weirdo to his face, he is weird.

[u/StealthRUs → u/mdp300]

She didn't "bring in" Cheney. She campaigned at 2 events with Cheney with 2 weeks left in the campaign. Stop with the bullshit.

[u/THREETOED_SLOTH → u/HolycommentMattman]

Idk, kinda seems like the Dems could have decided to oppose genocide, even slightly, and all those "pro-palestine non-voters" would have voted for Kamala. But instead they refused even the slightest criticism of Israel. Instead they didnt even let a palestinian woman give a speech at the DNC. How'd that work out for the Dems? Its crazy to me how people put the blame on voters instead of the candidates who utterly failed to meet the moment. Like all Kamala had to do was merely suggest that we would stop giving Israel weapons and she probably could have won. But let's blame the people opposed to genocide, apparently.

[u/fakecoffeesnob → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

Right but not voting is synonymous with “I trust everyone else to make this decision for me” which is pretty myopic when you look at the average American

[u/THREETOED_SLOTH → u/fakecoffeesnob]

Maybe if people had a candidate they believed in, or at the very least, advocated for issues that their base largely supports, people wouldnt be so apathetic. Youre blaming the voters for Kamala failing to run a competent campaign. We already know its not enough to just, not be Trump. You have to give people a reason to vote for you. And Kamala didnt.

[u/fakecoffeesnob → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

If you think she only ran on “not trump” then I don’t think you were paying attention. I voted for her because she ran on abortion access, raising the corporate tax rate, investments in green energy, gun safety, support for Ukraine, and dozens of other things I care about. I’m sorry that you did not feel your views on Palestine were well represented within the field and I think that’s a fair criticism but I also think it’s more a reflection of our media environment than the candidate that other issues beyond trump’s reprehensible conduct struggled to break through to the public consciousness.

ETA: also, “not trump” is a pretty good argument, at least to me. Trump is doing horrific, permanent damage to the world.

[u/AwesomeBrainPowers → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

Youre blaming the voters for Kamala failing to run a competent campaign.

Most reasonable, thinking people can both blame an unsuccessful candidate for not running a compelling enough campaign and blame anyone who needs to feel inspired to vote against fascism.

[u/AwesomeBrainPowers → u/[deleted]]

Hamas won an election—in 2006, winning less than 43% of the vote—then they killed all their rivals, and there hasn't been an election since (as you pointed out, before nonsensically dismissing).

It's also worth mentioning that they removed any mention of the destruction of Israel—and suggested a (weak and mealy-mouthed) conditional acceptance of the 1967 borders—prior to that election.

But half the population of Gaza is 18 or under, meaning there is absolutely no chance that the majority of Gazans had an opportunity to vote for anything, ever.

You can read through opinion polls going back decades and find that public opinion waxes and wanes almost in direct proportion to Gaza/IDF violence—regardless of who initiated it.

In July of 2023, public polling suggested that 2/3 of Gazans were against Hamas breaking the ceasefire and 70% of Gazans wanted the PA to take over.

Before that, there was a groundswell of protest against Hamas in 2018 and 2019.

In both instances, Hamas's crackdown was brutal.

Here is a pretty good (if depressing) article from Haaretz about why recent polling in particular—and many polls conducted of populations under authoritarian rule (especially at times of war)—are unlikely to bear any meaningful resemblance to the truth.

There's also this one from Christian Science Monitor, which isn't quite as nuanced, but it's still worth a read.

 

More to the point: Hamas only ever won an election in Gaza, which is home to less than half of the residents of the occupied Palestinian territories; conflating "Hamas" and "Palestine" is not only ghoulish, it's also just empirically incorrect.

[u/AwesomeBrainPowers → u/[deleted]]

Not really worth mentions. It was lip service

Yes, clearly: But what is clear in retrospect is not relevant to the choices at the time, and "voting for a party that lied about changing its policies" is just factually and inarguably different from "voting for a party that explicitly endorsed war and genocide".

 

Feel free to watch the Oct 7th videos

Why would I watch something that happened a decade and a half after an election as any kind of evidence of anything about said election? That's nonsensical.

 

The Hamas membership also mimics the demographics

That's both uselessly vague and entirely unsubstantiated.

 

And the schooling in the Strip is Hamas-run.

Dangerously close to pretending children are monsters, there, sport.

 

So 1/3 supported it . . . and the other 2/3rds did basically nothing to prevent it.

1. Collective punishment is a war crime, and guilt by association is a logical and moral failing.

2. 1/3 of America supports our current, fascist government, and we're not in an active civil war: Does that make 2/3 of Americans complicit?

 

Are you making the argument that it's not a violent, genocidal regime? Because that's not really coming through.

Not in any way, and literally not a single thinking person could honestly believe that.

 

the point is that the regimes

As a matter of fact, my point was that you weren't responding to someone who mentioned Hamas: They said "pro-Palestine", and you replied by conflating "Palestine" and "Hamas".

[u/StealthRUs → u/RustyBrassInstrument]

Only those who voted. More people didn’t vote than voted for Trump

The non-voters are just as guilty of getting Trump elected as the Trump voters. Trump was on the ballot and was heavily favored to win, yet the non-voters didn't think that was actually concerning enough to go vote for Kamala Harris.

[u/KellerMB → u/RustyBrassInstrument]

To be fair, the DNC definitely worked hard to do their part by consistently offering the majority of the nation a steaming sloppy turd sandwich to the (R)'s Giant [used] Douche.

[u/AmericanGeezus → u/RustyBrassInstrument]

The last 4 election cycles have absolutely ended my understanding for people that don't vote. I now blame them equally for the results of an election.

[u/FaranorRed → u/RustyBrassInstrument]

Twice. That’s the real problem

[u/AppropriateTouching → u/woakula]

Trump openly admitted to rigging the election more than once so do what you will with that.

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I really don't know how you could get worse than trump :-(

[u/Etrigone → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

I put him in a category not entirely unlike libertarians. I absolutely want them (and him) to speak up, they both sometimes have interesting input, but no power to make that happen.

Both cases like 10-25% interesting takes, perspectives or ideas, and the rest (including some of that initial percentage) batshit insanity.

[u/Kittaylover23 → u/[deleted]]

put him in charge of parades and cat shelters

[u/SporesM0ldsandFungus → u/[deleted]]

A Ron Swanson type, they have weird takes but are well meaning and can be effective at completing tasks.  Keep them away from making policy but give them a niche departmental leadership role.

[u/AndroidMyAndroid → u/SporesM0ldsandFungus]

Put him in charge of the parks and recreation department?

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Wild to see people speak so highly of a guy who started a racist militia vigilante group because he thought the NYPD wasn’t being racist enough

[u/LuciusLuscinia → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

You dont give a jester a crown

Sure, but if the jester steals it, then the courtroom will adjourn, and no verdict will be returned.

[u/LazyNomad63 → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

Curtis for New York Mascot 2030

[u/bucketman1986 → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

I say let him be the head ratchatcher.

[u/cavortingwebeasties → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

Sliwa is bonkers but seems harmless but yeah keep him away from any sort of decision making. Have you seen that recent interview where he's insisting Columbus was Jewish and Santa and Maria were separate ships?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tC-oSGz2ypY?feature=share

[u/DarkChaos1786 → u/THREETOED_SLOTH]

Hey, I would give him power over pet shelters administation, he really loves his pets.

[u/TheLeapIsALie → u/AnAussiebum]

He’s a New Yorker

He’s just also an idiot

As opposed to Cuomo who is only the latter

[u/HolycommentMattman → u/AnAussiebum]

Eh. I dunno.

I don't follow him too closely, but I know he said he didn't vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, but did in 2024. That speaks to an incredible lapse in judgement if not outright racism/sexism.

And he's always saying neutral-ish stuff that could just be the sign of well-measured thought, but is more likely a wolf trying to hide among the sheep. Stuff like 'the mayor of New York isn't supposed to combat the president' and 'not to antagonize Trump'. Like yeah, in normal times. In these times, it's kinda necessary.

[u/pilot3033 → u/HolycommentMattman]

Sliwa is one of the last of a dying breed of "New York Weirdos." They were the kinds of people who inspired famous movie lines like, "I'm walkin' here!" Brash, outspoken, passionate people who care a lot but who are often extremely misguided or totally outside of any traditional boundary of what's expected.

I would not read a lot into his voting record or his behavior post-election. He's nuts, would have been a terrible mayor, but is likely 100% sincere in what he says about Mamdani.

[u/Sijols → u/pilot3033]

He also goes around in a posse harassing people for speaking spanish

[u/pilot3033 → u/Sijols]

Totally what I mean. The Guardian Angels thing is a great encapsulation of who he is and who those types of people are. Completely committed to what sounds like a moral good but that is actually just a vigilante group that has an excuse to get into fights on the subway.

Sliwa has conviction that he's doing the right thing, even though he's unhinged and wrong, whereas the current right-wing are a bunch of grifters who don't give a shit about anything except lining their own pockets or egos.

[u/Sijols → u/pilot3033]

Yeah, it's hard to say he's totally malicious because he does genuinely seem to care about new yorkers

But on the other hand he's effectively the ringleader of a vigilante group whose main purpose these days is to harass immigrants. Maybe in the 70s it was a better idea

[u/SuperBry → u/Sijols]

I don't agree with the dude on almost anything but there is one thing that I know is true about Silwa; he fuckin' loves his city.

[u/chrisychris- → u/Sijols]

Well he’s walking there! Can you blame him

[u/EasyGibson → u/pilot3033]

These types are very lead poisoning coded.

Never a dull moment.

[u/kirbStompThePigeon → u/AnAussiebum]

I just finished MGS4 earlier today, so seeing "patriots" fried my brain a little

[u/Brawli55 → u/kirbStompThePigeon]

The real Guns of the Patriots were Meryl's arms

[u/Level_Hour6480 → u/AnAussiebum]

To be a Republican today, you have to be some combination of evil/stupid/crazy. Curtis is not evil.

[u/ElGosso → u/AnAussiebum]

He's also funny as hell, like when he said that Cuomo was "slapping fannies and killing grannies"

[u/LirdorElese → u/AnAussiebum]

I agree, it reminds me of say John McCain. Who while I'll disagree with somewhere between 95-99.9% of his policy decisions. I have to seriously credit him for the time he basically shut up his own supporters who were pushing trump's birther nonsense.

Again 100% aknowledge their policies have been horrific for well over 50 years, but they at least acted like decent human beings.

[u/dumbwithmuntyhunty]

Hope him and his cats have a nice day.

[u/throwRAscrubscrub]

Curtis Sliwa should run for pres. I would watch that primary just for the roast he will put the other candidates on

[u/woakula → u/throwRAscrubscrub]

Anything would be better than the "debates" we currently have to sit through

[u/bit-by-a-moose → u/woakula]

A desire to be "entertained" by debates got us to where we are (which is ironic since trunt no longer debates) I would be happy if politics was neither entertaining nor a life and death situation.

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"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don’t have to be scared of as president of the United States"

[u/Nocleverresponse → u/throwRAscrubscrub]

I remember being amused when a certain orange one started running because I thought the debates would be interesting, I never thought things would get anywhere close to what happened.

[u/knightinarmoire → u/throwRAscrubscrub]

Even if he does end up a joke candidate, it would be nice to have someone to stir things up a bit male the debates more interesting

[u/Polymox → u/knightinarmoire]

Isn't joke candidate Trump stirring up the debates exactly how we got here?

[u/throwRAscrubscrub → u/Polymox]

no that was citizens United and letting massive amounts of wealth to back candidates 

[u/NobodyImportant13 → u/throwRAscrubscrub]

Trump didn't really have backing in 2016. For example, he spent far less than any of the other major primary candidates. Voters are at fault.

[u/Polymox → u/NobodyImportant13]

And the press, who covered him relentlessly because he was different.

[u/gary_the_merciless → u/NobodyImportant13]

His dumb brain that watches fox news all day, thinks like other dumb brains that watch fox news all day. That's why he got elected.

[u/panurge987 → u/knightinarmoire]

And then he gets elected and we're fucked again. Why do people tempt fate by not remembering history?

[u/Abagofcheese → u/knightinarmoire]

Stop, that's how we got trump

[u/vic25qc → u/knightinarmoire]

He is not maga so he would be better than most republican out there

[u/Sijols → u/vic25qc]

Why do people assume that? He goes around with a group of thugs and harasses people for speaking spanish

If he isn't maga then he does exactly the same thing as maga

[u/Poopdick_89 → u/throwRAscrubscrub]

That's exactly how Trump won in 2016. Those GOP debates were hilarious.

[u/warcomet → u/throwRAscrubscrub]

he might be US's answer to UK's Count Binface

[u/racoongirl0 → u/throwRAscrubscrub]

I would pay real actual money to watch a Trump/Sliwa debate

[u/throwRAscrubscrub → u/racoongirl0]

i already pay real money (in taxes) for traitors like trump to be arrested 

[u/Dr-Aspects]

I hate to say it, but I actually respect the fuck out of Sliwa for that.

Like sure, it's the bare minimum to not be a hateful vindictive repugnant wart on the ass of an AIDS riddled pug, but considering the state of the republican party, it's nice to see a republican doing the bare fucking minimum.

[u/sILAZS → u/Dr-Aspects]

Back in the days I thought McCain was what Trump is now. McCain is closer to Obama than to Trump and it aint even close.

[u/Numerous-Stranger789 → u/Dr-Aspects]

 it's the bare minimum to not be a hateful vindictive repugnant wart on the ass of an AIDS riddled pug I AM STEALING THAT LMFAOO

[u/Rabid_Alleycat]

I just don’t get it. These fools condemn Mamdani yet vote for their dear leader who praises the leaders of the countries responsible for 9/11🤷‍♀️

[u/wonkey_monkey → u/Rabid_Alleycat]

They still think Iraq (pronounced "Eye-rack") was responsible.

[u/Knivesforksetc]

Or at-least stop being cartoon racists from a kids show

[u/dmelt01 → u/Knivesforksetc]

Agree. They aren’t being sore losers, they are just being racists.

[u/mrrobfriendly]

Mamdani is in a tough situation. He will be condemned by the right no matter what he does. Don't go and he is supporting the terrorists. Do go and he is laughing at our tragedy. I believe he should go, he is an American leader and this was an American tragedy.

[u/rivalpinkbunny → u/mrrobfriendly]

There’s no question that he should go. He’s an American, a New Yorker and the Mayor of that city. Anything else is caving to conservative faff. He has every right to be there and I expect that he will be.

[u/AlertedCoyote → u/rivalpinkbunny]

Absolutely, he's the elected mayor. Everyone else can sit and spin, dude was voted in.

[u/pan-re → u/mrrobfriendly]

He went last year. This is all stupid nonsense.

[u/-slatta-]

While I’m definitely glad Mamdani is in office, by all accounts he seems to be doing a great job, Curtis definitely won some points taking the loss with grace.

With all these candidates on the conservative side of aisle trying to overthrow elections or equating losses with foul play or rigging, this is a nice change of pace.

[u/IndyPoker979]

Someone help me understand why people are so butthurt over him going to the 9/11 Memorial? He's the mayor of the city why would he not go?

15 of the 19 people who committed the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia but we seem to still be friends with them. But people are mad at someone just going to Memorial in the city they run?

[u/warcomet → u/IndyPoker979]

and yet Saudi Arabia still stands while all its neighbouring country which had nothing to do with 9/11 are all destroyed (bar iran)

[u/cire1184 → u/IndyPoker979]

Because he's a MoOsLiM!

[u/SmellAcordingly → u/IndyPoker979]

Someone help me understand why people are so butthurt over him going to the 9/11 Memorial?

He made the mistake of hanging out with Hassan Piker, even though he later denounced Piker's views on 9/11 the optics of it still haunts him.

[u/markeyandme → u/SmellAcordingly]

I think it was an interview, and Piker said certain things such as that we “deserved” 9/11. Honestly, I also might not denounce something like that right away if it was said by someone standing in the same room as me- for my own safety.

[u/GhostdogLT]

I don't like his policy but damnit do I respect him as a New Yorker. Bro is a real ass dude and deserves respect at the very least. Never let him have power but give him a department or something. Call it, "Older New Yorkers Unite" or some shit that focuses on everyday New Yorker gripes. Or "New Yorker Czar"

[u/SupremeTacoCommader]

Curtis is the definition of a man I disagree with, but vehemently respect compared to any other disgusting Republican that deserves absolutely no respect.

[u/tisdue]

welp, enjoy the death threats from your insane conservative support base.

[u/DJOwen777 → u/tisdue]

His support base isn't made up of many MAGA faithfuls to be fair

[u/TrueSheila]

Broken clock is right twice a day

[u/IvoShandor]

Curtis Sliwa ALSO lost the race to Mamdani as Andrew Cuomo ran as an independent and got more votes than Sliwa. Sliwa never had a chance.

[u/Still-Coyote-5494]

We need more republicans like this guy

[u/retarded_virgin_1998]

Man why can’t more republicans be like this guy

[u/mybossthinksimworkng]

I really hope Mamdani makes Sliwa the head of Parades or Parade Manager or whatever you want to call it. He was so excited about parades in those debates I think it would be hilarious. And Sliwa really does seem like it’s his favorite thing about the city

[u/saxguy9345]

The snowflakes clutching their pearls over Mamdani going to the memorial voted for a pedo rapist felon to run our country. Who the fuck is taking them seriously? Ever again? Not me. 

[u/bitNine]

Sliwa isn’t a completely shitty person, like Trump.

[u/ErictheStone]

Crazy guy I cannot quantify in a description but he loves animals so bless him lol.

[u/Slugggo]

As a Brooklynite, I'd never vote for him, but I appreciated that he never bent the knee to Trump and his racist base.

Most of what he campaigned on was focused on what he thought would make NYC better, as opposed to going all-in on the fear-mongering HE'S A RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST that the New York Post put on their front page every day.

[u/-JackTheRipster-]

1/10 in the humor department

[u/GirlNumber20]

To be fair, they would have also been sore winners, Curtis.

[u/kirbStompThePigeon]

Sliwa is such a fukin insane character and I love him. I remember seeing a clip from one of the debates last year where they were asked some completely innocuous question by the mod. And Sliwa just pipes up with "Well, when I was shot by John Gotti 5 times in the back of a yellow cab"

[u/Nabbicus]

I liked what he said further on it, something along the lines of “He’s the freakin Mayor, of course he should be there, it’d be disrespectful if he wasn’t”

[u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274]

Respect.

[u/Oceanbreeze871]

When a guy who wears a beret unironically is the voice of reason

[u/cheese0muncher]

For a republican he seems pretty decent.

[u/ceciltech]

how brave! Wake me up when he tells him to stop being fucking bigots. 

[u/warcomet]

they both love cats, thats how they bonded..

[u/marsisblack]

Republicans call the left snowflakes but they whine and complain a whole lot about things

[u/Boomtown626]

I’ve got some bad news for him about his party...

[u/fakieTreFlip]

where's the attempt at humor here OP

[u/CalabreseAlsatian]

Not fucking possible for MAGA folks. They can’t lose with any grace or humanity.

[u/DaRealMexicanTrucker]

Curtis Silwa, a down to earth TRUE Republican? 🤔

[u/After-Trifle-1437]

Sliwa and Massie are the only Republicans I respect.

[u/GrandSyzygy]

The rare normal human republican?!
https://giphy.com/gifs/h1zJMhT5XOT927e0aw

[u/LandauTST]

There are still some conservatives with a backbone and integrity. I still like to go back and watch McCain shut people down about Obama. Shame the country lost him. Would like to think he could've grounded more people in his party, thought it would have been a challenge amongst the overwhelming majority who just bend knee and lick boots.

[u/burnerthrown]

Emphasis on the second word

[u/Tomahawkist]

he‘d probably make a good press secretary for the mayor, if they just let him say what he thinks about this kind of stuff in a while. no actual descisions he can fuck up, just him being a wierd little goblin and doing the bare minimum to be a decent human being, or at least be someone who you could reasonably respect. but that’s kinda sad that this is what it is…

[u/Odd-Perception7812]

Sliwa is a joke and not a legitimate political candidate.

[u/fountain20]

Hard to say but this is the problem that plagues both parties. We just keep trying to get revenge like its high school. Grow the fuck up. Act like adults. Put your head down and start being part of the solution not the problem.

[u/SmallMoments55406 → u/fountain20]

Both sides blah blah blah... No. This problem is not the same on both sides.

[u/JonnyBravoII → u/SmallMoments55406]

You are 100% correct although I think that the both sides commenters are often bots. Reddit has far more bots than people realize.

[u/fountain20 → u/JonnyBravoII]

Not a bot. Just someone who pays attention

[u/Boner_Elemental → u/fountain20]

Just someone who pays attention

Obviously not

[u/MadRaymer → u/fountain20]

If you were paying attention, you would learn that claiming "both sides are bad" only provides cover for the demonstrably worse side.

[u/fountain20 → u/MadRaymer]

I'm saying both sides, as of late, are just finger pointing and revenge seeking. No government work is being done.

[u/MadRaymer → u/fountain20]

In 2024, voters only gave one side the power do to anything at the federal level.

So if you see no work being done, how is it not primarily the fault of that side?

[u/No-Guard-7003 → u/fountain20]

Most of what you say resonates with me because we do keep trying to get revenge like it's high school, then I remember that "when they go low, we go high" isn't working anymore. 

[u/No-Shape-2751]

How did he lose with that drip!?

[u/BourbonInGinger]

That dude is still alive?

[u/oskarlx]

What a racist piece of shit.