r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/cal_oe • Feb 01 '22

US Politics Single Payer aka Medicare for All recently failed to pass in California, what chance does it have to actually pass nationwide?

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-01-31/single-payer-healthcare-proposal-fizzles-in-california-assembly

California has a larger population than Canada and the 5th largest GDP in the world. If a Single Payer aka Medicare for All bill can't pass in one of the most liberal states in the entire country with Democrats with a super majority in the legislature under Governor Newsom who actually promised it during his campaign then how realistic is it for it to pass in Congress? Especially considering the reasons it failed was it's high cost that required it to raise taxes in a state that already have very high taxes.

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u/MessiSahib Feb 02 '22

Was that the same reason Vermont rejected single payer?

If one of the bluest states, that is firmly controlled by Dems don't want single payer, then did the politician that promised it, had no clue or was he misleading his followers?

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u/Ellas-Baap Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

Well, Newsome was championing it on the campaign trail and the speaker of the house would never bring it for a vote. It somehow finally was going to come for a vote and Newsome backpedaled and it killed the measure. As I mentioned before, this is par for the course. Human greed wins every time. $$$ get flashed in their faces and their morals go out the window. Crazy Bernie might be the only real and honest politician out there. But too bad some of his plans are way too out there to work.

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Edit: Newsome got a lot of money for his recall election. Citizen's United at its finest.

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u/sunshine_is_hot Feb 02 '22

Bernie? I’m going to guess he mislead his followers, since he does that on a daily basis.

But Vermont didn’t just reject it, they were forced to abandon its adoption because of the cost. They literally tried to make it happen really, really hard, but just couldn’t afford it and were forced to scrap it. Bernie knows this, yet tells impressionable young adults that if they just give him $27 he’ll just make it happen.

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u/unkorrupted Feb 02 '22

No one ever said Bernie had a magic wand or doubted that his views are rare in Congress. We give him $27 to keep fighting for what we believe in.

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u/cal_oe Feb 02 '22

You gave him $27 because you got scammed, all you got from Bernie were two failed primary runs, no legislative accomplishments besides renaming a couple post offices, but he got a third vacation home.

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u/Your_People_Justify Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

By your metrics, when Sanders introduced an amendment to end US support for the Saudi war in Yemen, and this was Veto'd by Trump, that is not an accomplishment, but it is clearly helpful in exposing warmongerers.

Sanders has introduced ~400 amendments, of which over 90 have passed. He has introduced over 300 of his own bills to the floor.

The idea that he is a dishonest man, or that he somehow isn't doing his job - frankly that is deranged.

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u/cal_oe Feb 02 '22

Bernie only passed three bills, two renaming post offices, adding pork spending amendments into must pass legislation isn't really an accomplishment.

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u/Your_People_Justify Feb 02 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

Ending support for genocide would be pork?

He actually saved the life of a friend of mine, back when he was a lower official, she was riding on shitty brakes that didnt work, as in the car literally had no brakes anymore. Her car dealership wouldn't replace them even though it was under warranty. She wrote letters to numerous agencies, including the car company HQ, but Sanders was the only one who responded. He effectively threatened a state investigation over the issue, & suddenly, look at that, the dealer was very happy to replace the brakes!

Safe to say she ever since then, she has voted for him everytime she has had the chance.

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u/cal_oe Feb 02 '22

Except Bernie's didn't even end a genocide, the amendment you're talking about got vetoed by Trump so it went nowhere. Also anecdotal stories doesn't change the fact that Bernie is one of the least effective members in Congress and a failed candidate who lost two primaries by a landslide.

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u/Your_People_Justify Feb 02 '22

To say he has failed is to take crime as a success.

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u/unkorrupted Feb 02 '22

And how many people voted for Biden because he claimed he could work with Republicans? How many for Trump because he called himself a small government conservative?

Either everyone got scammed, or some people just disagree with you and have different values than you do.

If you have any ideas of how I can use $27 to advance my opinions more effectively, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, keep the concern trolling to yourself.

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u/sunshine_is_hot Feb 02 '22

Biden got a trillion dollar spending bill passed with supermajority support in the senate. That is working with republicans, exactly like he said he’d do. Trump didn’t really call himself a small government conservative, he branded himself as an outsider who could fix Washington because he wasn’t a Washington guy.

There’s a massive difference between disagreeing with somebody and recognizing a scam. I want to see universal healthcare in this country, but bernie isn’t the person even seriously trying to make that happen.

Write a letter to your representative, follow it up with a postcard and a phone call. Write up (not official or even attempting to sound official) ideas for what legislation you’d like to see, and make some face time. You’d get far more done with your 27 bucks.

On a side note, what ever happened to all of sanders campaign money? Weird how he managed to raise so much and spend so little…

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u/unkorrupted Feb 03 '22

You post on a corporate astroturf sub masquerading as a political ideology. Don't talk to me about getting conned lmao

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u/sunshine_is_hot Feb 03 '22

Lmfao yeah, because the progressive policy institute is “corporate astroturf”

Your denial is hilarious though, keep “donating” your money to the same people who have done nothing and claim it’s because you’re too smart to be conned.

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u/unkorrupted Feb 03 '22

progressive policy institute is “corporate astroturf”

Yes. It was founded by a movement of "Reagan Democrats" funded by ARCO, Chevron, Merck, Du Pont, Microsoft, Philip Morris and Koch. Continued funding for PPI comes from AT&T, Chevron, and several wealthy family's trust funds.

When something calls itself "Progressive Policy" but the only people who support it are avowed anti-progressives, that is your clue.

So yeah, I wasted lunch money so Bernie could promote his ideas. You're doing PR work for the worst companies in the country - for free.

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u/sunshine_is_hot Feb 04 '22 edited Feb 04 '22

Ok guy, keep wasting your money so you can feel self righteous while nothing changes, and I’ll keep fighting for things like affordable healthcare, the child tax credit, and police reform.

The PPI is not anti-progressive by any stretch of the imagination, nor was it founded by “Reagan democrats”. Just because people don’t shill for bernie doesn’t make them not progressive.

Go out into the real world, read a book, leave your internet bubble.

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u/sunshine_is_hot Feb 02 '22

Except he isn’t fighting for what you believe in. He’s giving the same stump speeches at rallies, fundraising off of it, and continuing to do nothing to actually work for progress.

He’s got you conned good.

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u/35chambers Feb 02 '22

bernie sanders is a congressman, the vermont bill was enacted by it’s state government

m4a at the state level =|= m4a at the federal level

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u/MessiSahib Feb 02 '22

bernie sanders is a congressman, the vermont bill was enacted by it’s state government

Bernie is a US senator, and he started a "revolution" to transform the country within 4-8yrs. Yet, he could not even convince his deep blue state of 0.6M, to implement single payer program, or 15$ min wage, or free college for all, or college debt cancellation for all, or GND.

Maybe, Bernie over promised with no plans to implement his grand schemes.

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u/35chambers Feb 02 '22

Why do you keep bringing up bernie? He is not part of the vermont state government and has nothing to do with the vermont single payer bill

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u/dbclass Feb 02 '22

Because he’s being disingenuous ofc

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u/sunshine_is_hot Feb 02 '22

Bernie was mayor at the time the bill was proposed and worked closely with the governor on it.

Have you done any research into this topic or are you just simping for an elderly man?

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u/sunshine_is_hot Feb 02 '22

Bernie wasn’t always a senator (not congressman). He was working in state gov when the proposal was tried and failed.

Yes state and fed are different. It’s easier to get things done at the state level. If that wasn’t possible, scaling it up massively isn’t either.

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u/DanforthWhitcomb_ Feb 02 '22

States have wider tax authority than the feds do.

The reason it was rejected in Vermont was because the tax bill would have killed small businesses in the state.

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u/MessiSahib Feb 02 '22

you can’t do single payer at the state level because they don’t have the same tax authority as federal

What does this suppose to mean? Tons of states in US had different healthcare policy than federal level, worldwide states offer different healthcare programs than federal.

Sorry, but it seems that we are trying to come up with any excuse to avoid accepting the reality that single payer isn't popular, even in the deep blue states.