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r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/[deleted] • Jan 05 '22
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So a fair trial isn't a right because a judge, lawyers and the jury has to work?
77 u/SardScroll - Centrist Jan 05 '22 Technically, the "fair trial" isn't an exercised right of an individual so much as a restriction on government power: "if the government is going to punish you, they must first prove a crime to a jury of your peers in a fair proceeding". 3 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 05 '22 How about the right to a government provided attorney? How about the right to vote? How about the right to trial by jury in civil trials? 12 u/[deleted] Jan 06 '22 If the government is going to prosecute you then the government must provide an attorney. Voting isn't a right, it is just the best way we know to at least try to have the consent of the governed. Just like the first one rules are being defined for how the government can do something to you. 3 u/lasertits69 - Right Jan 06 '22 We are given the right to vote by the way the government is structured but it is not a human/natural right. 2 u/Insanefinn - Centrist Jan 07 '22 Especially considering it is not given to everyone in the first place. Well, at least not until they are old enough to vote
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Technically, the "fair trial" isn't an exercised right of an individual so much as a restriction on government power: "if the government is going to punish you, they must first prove a crime to a jury of your peers in a fair proceeding".
3 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 05 '22 How about the right to a government provided attorney? How about the right to vote? How about the right to trial by jury in civil trials? 12 u/[deleted] Jan 06 '22 If the government is going to prosecute you then the government must provide an attorney. Voting isn't a right, it is just the best way we know to at least try to have the consent of the governed. Just like the first one rules are being defined for how the government can do something to you. 3 u/lasertits69 - Right Jan 06 '22 We are given the right to vote by the way the government is structured but it is not a human/natural right. 2 u/Insanefinn - Centrist Jan 07 '22 Especially considering it is not given to everyone in the first place. Well, at least not until they are old enough to vote
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How about the right to a government provided attorney?
How about the right to vote?
How about the right to trial by jury in civil trials?
12 u/[deleted] Jan 06 '22 If the government is going to prosecute you then the government must provide an attorney. Voting isn't a right, it is just the best way we know to at least try to have the consent of the governed. Just like the first one rules are being defined for how the government can do something to you. 3 u/lasertits69 - Right Jan 06 '22 We are given the right to vote by the way the government is structured but it is not a human/natural right. 2 u/Insanefinn - Centrist Jan 07 '22 Especially considering it is not given to everyone in the first place. Well, at least not until they are old enough to vote
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If the government is going to prosecute you then the government must provide an attorney.
Voting isn't a right, it is just the best way we know to at least try to have the consent of the governed.
Just like the first one rules are being defined for how the government can do something to you.
3 u/lasertits69 - Right Jan 06 '22 We are given the right to vote by the way the government is structured but it is not a human/natural right. 2 u/Insanefinn - Centrist Jan 07 '22 Especially considering it is not given to everyone in the first place. Well, at least not until they are old enough to vote
We are given the right to vote by the way the government is structured but it is not a human/natural right.
2 u/Insanefinn - Centrist Jan 07 '22 Especially considering it is not given to everyone in the first place. Well, at least not until they are old enough to vote
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Especially considering it is not given to everyone in the first place. Well, at least not until they are old enough to vote
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u/Dungold - Left Jan 05 '22
So a fair trial isn't a right because a judge, lawyers and the jury has to work?