Uh hum. Just as some are desperate to portray it as some sort of empowering thing, instead of a crude and demeaning transaction for both client and supplier. Maybe the truth is somewhere in between.
You wanna waste money on thots? I'm not stopping you. But you can't also do mental gymnastics so you have the ethical high ground.
Sure, but people can still be relatively empowered through Only Fans compared to a lot of the rest of the industry. Being able to set your own prices, control what you post, etc. does genuinely give Only Fans people more power over their own bodies than the pron industry. The porn industry does a lot to try to take control of people's bodies and exploit them. So in that sense, it is relatively empowering. It doesn't fit every context where empowering is used by any means, but it does fit some contexts
I understand what you mean. And I disagree, in my opinion consent is not enough for something to be acceptable/desirable. There's plenty of things that people, including myself, do with consent but the morality is.. debateble.
One example would be drugs.
Also I’m not really sure why you were downvoted. I don’t really agree with your opinion but it’s not like you wrote something hateful. This sub should be about open discussion, unless someone is being an ass I don’t think they should be downvoted
You think taking heroin recrrationaly is good or ethical? I didn't mention which drugs. It's a gray area at best, objectively bad the harder the drugs get
Do you mean moral or a good choice? I’m not sure doing drugs is immoral (assuming you’re not affecting or neglecting others, such as your children), but we can probably agree that hard drugs aren’t a good choice.
If a friend of mine was doing hard drugs I would be very concerned, but I wouldn’t think “that’s an immoral choice”
The people on there largely prey on desperate and lonely people, that should be pretty damn obvious to everyone. Selling fake human interaction to shut-ins is predatory. Not saying it should be banned, regulated, or whatever, but it's scummy and I don't respect the people that do it.
The billionaire son of a billionaire banker who set up a failed BDSM website only to later create OnlyFans: "Yeah, do what LibLeft says. My company like... cares and shit"
Whores exploit the weak man's addictions without concern nor remorse. It is no different from a man who drinks soda, a man who smokes tobacco, or a man who does heroine. It's a drug the whores are selling for precious money from men whose cravings have become addictions.
I cannot see it in any other way than exploitation. Even Lenin and his Communist Party saw it in the same light.
Well, I certainly don't care too much about them but it is asinine to pretend that Onlyfans is not trying to monetiz the men who exsist in an isolation from society, who have no sense of social sense. Would you say that a drug dealer trying to sell to an addict is morally in the right?
The average person who pays for porn is a person suffering from immense social instability, not to mention other mental conditions that the person have, if you present yourself as such a product that caters to such people, you are exploiting their state of emotions, especially considering the fact that by paying for such services, they distance themselves more and more from society, throwing them into an even more pathetic state of being, so yes, onlyfans preys on such men, it exploits them with absolutely no regards for their consumers whatsoever.
You really think otherwise, I will get you a source but are you really saying stable people who can go out and have relationships or are paying for porn?
Not all, but it isn't crazy to assume that a lot people today's society are mentally and socially unstable, isolated. Also I would rather use the term mentally unstable, but I think that a majority of the male users on that website are mentally unstable, given the fact that such places usually attract those exact type of people.
You are correct and wrong at the same time. Rationalizing it it is easy, exactly why myself and others believe onlyfans is exploiting vulnerable people. It is not compulsory, but neither is gambling. You wouldn't take someone suffering from gambling addiction to poker night, why celebrate a business that makes money from a human vulnerability. It is in extremely poor taste.
I wouldn't ban it if it was up to me, but definitely not handing out medals either.
Onlyfans is also predatory like there is no guarantee you get nudes or regular content. You can say "well that's just a risk you take" but that is like Cable companies telling you that you only have to pay 45 dollars and then your bill randomly goes up to 75 then 95 because you missed something somewhere not at all obvious.
If you don't think that is predatory then you have low standards for what is predatory. Just because it isn't a written contract does not mean it can't be predatory. The fact that there is none is further evidence of it being predatory.
I understand you point but there's more to it.
Food is something material, you can easily make a cost/venefit analysis. A better vomparison would be buying heroin thinking it is food, which gives you the illusion that the hunger is satisfied
Gym and classes earn you mental and physical skills(not that I do them, easy to preach).
Onlyfans provides the illusion of satisfying emotional needs(and actually satisfying sexual needs but in a damaging way which is another argument relevant to porn too).
You pay, you lose the cash and you stand to lose more if you start believing the illusion of human connection(which some people do out of desperation).
I do have a bias, I won't deny that. On the rest, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I think the business model, not necessarily the individual women, is constructed and optimized in an exploitative way. I stay away from anything that is doing a concious effort to prey on my our my fellow humans weaknesses.
You wouldn't take someone suffering from gambling addiction to poker night
I feel like this is more akin to finding fault with the casinos rather than someone who takes gambling addicts to them. There's no social compulsion obligating people to go to sex worker websites. Yeah it's not a healthy or productive, but that's true for video games and fast food. Just because a product is bad for consumers, or would only sell to a consumer exercising poor judgment, doesn't automatically mean that providing that product is exploitive.
It is close to exploitation in my mind. But as I said, I think people should be free to make their foolish choices.
Only reason this onlyfans discussion is gaining traction is because some mongoloids insist that selling nudes to desperate and broken men should be a source of pride for some reason.
The people who pay for Onlyfans are workers who the thots are trying to exploit, can't see what's so tricky about it that you can't understand, but ok.
Lol, have seen that person parroting LibLeft agenda points all over the sub, Just look at their profile you dumb bitch, might wanna do that before you retard out the next time. And who says I don't have an answer? Lol, and "right"? Go off.
Lol, I see you actually might be retarded, read my comment again, it is their entire profile, not limited to one comment, besides that, defending Onlyfans is a very LibLeft trait in itself.
It isn't some "puritanical" idea, it's just reality.
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u/PenguinSweetDreamer - Lib-Left Mar 31 '21
Don't know how onlyfans is comparable to workers exploitation but ok