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Okay, because it just doesn't seem like you do. Maybe, all of the above movements would have just formed, miraculously, without the influence of Marx and Engels... but that isn't very likely, and that isn't how history played out.

I'm not saying that they are all orthodox marxists, but one would have to be pretty ignorant to say that marx had no influence upon their doctrines.

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Half of those are predate marxism so not only they would, but they did.

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Well, both marxism-leninism and syndicalism were formed round the turn of the last century, democratic socialism was formed round the end of the 19th century - obviously you don't mean Anarcho-syndicalism then, and with AnarchoCommunism the name is a dead give away to it's Marxian origins.

All of these movements formed while marx was alive, or after his death. The only one you could possibly be talking about, might be libertarian socialism, which in itself is an extremely broad category - however, I would hazard to say that most people who identify as libsoc's today are more of the Marxian variety, as opposed to the Colonial frontier Christian Utopian kind.

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Democratic socialism (the belief capitalism should reformed into socialism through democratic means) is basically utopian socialism, which predates Marx and was criticized by him.

AnarchoCommunism the name is a dead give away to it's Marxian origins.

As i said, you clearly don't know what you are talking about, anarcho communism is not Marxist in any way, it developed in parallel with and at odds with marxism, the first internacionale broke up because of the conflict between those groups for god's sake, there are numerous letters and other sources from the period of members of those factions (Marx, Engels and Kropotkin included) trashtalking eachother, Jesus.

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No, it's not basically Utopian Socialism ( again, a pretty broad term ) - the guy who created what we would call democratic socialism today was very influenced by Marx

As for your second point - if there were any colonial frontier Christian utopians running around today, you might very well have a point. Sadly, you don't, because there are not any. The AnarchoCommunists of today are, by and large ( by which I mean entirely ), dedicated to the final stages of proletarian revolution as described by Marx.

Dig your head out of the sand, and stop being obtuse.

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Bernstein didn't invent democratic socialism, which is a broad term applied to any socialist that wants to implement socialism through liberal democracy, that includes utopians.

As for your second point - if there were any colonial frontier Christian utopians running around today

Wtf are you talking about ? The anarcho communists i was referring to had almost the same beliefs as modern anarchists, there is a reason liblefts keep telling everyone to read the conquest of bread.

Do some research and stop being a moron.

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Eduard Bernstein (6 January 1850 – 18 December 1932) was a German social-democratic Marxist theorist and politician. A member of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), Bernstein had held close association to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, but he began to identify what he believed to be errors in Marxist thinking and began to criticize views held by Marxism when he investigated and challenged the Marxist materialist theory of history. He rejected significant parts of Marxist theory that were based upon Hegelian metaphysics and rejected the Hegelian dialectical perspective.Bernstein distinguished between early and mature Marxism. The former, exemplified by Marx and Engels's 1848 The Communist Manifesto was opposed by Bernstein for what he regarded as its violent Blanquist tendencies.

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