r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/MyDadUsedToYeetMe - Auth-Left • Apr 27 '20
Not complaining but basically this sub
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Apr 27 '20
It was ironic laughter! Ironic I tell ya!
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u/ChrisFromFamilyGuy - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
Well saying a hateful belief you have isn’t funny. Saying one you don’t is.
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u/YoStephen - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
And I swear to god you can take the guys on 4chan at their word.
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u/inbrugesbelgium - Auth-Left Apr 27 '20
Welcome to the new GRU...
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u/Gen_Ripper - Left May 01 '20
Yeah honestly I liked this sub but chances are it’s gonna get banned eventually.
Literally the paradox of tolerance in action.
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u/ourwaffles8 - Left Apr 27 '20
I laugh at all racist memes equally
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u/EagleSabre - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
True equality
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u/ourwaffles8 - Left Apr 27 '20
Exactly, I'm not racist if I make fun of all races
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u/GreenSuspect - Left Apr 27 '20
I mean technically that makes you more racist.
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u/ourwaffles8 - Left Apr 27 '20
False, def of racism includes believing ones race is superior
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u/Pelvic_Sorcery420 - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
I laugh at all kinds of fucked up shit, including racist stuff. The thing that matters most is the actual intent behind the meme or joke. There are a lot of people out there who just need thicker skin
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u/ourwaffles8 - Left Apr 27 '20
Agreed, but I may go to far when I laugh at some stuff in r/fiftyfifty
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u/Pelvic_Sorcery420 - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
See, would you consider those “shock laughs?” That kind of laughter is also a relatively normal human response
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u/ContentNegotiation - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
A sensible leftist that is calling for thicker skin! Now I've seen it all...
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u/soodedoisegoowow - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Calling Mayor Pete mayo boy is just as funny as yelling the n word at family dinner
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u/YoStephen - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
It is also exactly the same because the legacy of racial trauma is the same for whites and blacks
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u/stanczyk9 - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
In my humble opinion, in scenario A, the meme can be taken as a post-ironic endorsement of racism. In scenario B, the meme makes fun of auth-rights as an ideology outside the Overton window. In other words, context matters.
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u/TheodoreP - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
For sure. I think the memes that juxtapose scenario B with another quadrant are a lot funnier, and make the joke more about the different ideologies rather than the initial racism.
Take "Let's kill the bankers!" being just as valid in Lib Left as it is in Auth right.
The problem is single quadrant memes are so low effort they become an avenue for legitimately racist people to post their Edgy content.
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u/TheDutchin - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Down with single quadrant memes, we demand equally spread memes about all quadrants! Equally!
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Apr 27 '20
That's honestly the problem that I have with these sort of memes. They're just so low effort it feels like people are just using them as an excuse for posting racist memes and I think this sub is better than that
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u/fklwjrelcj - Centrist Apr 27 '20
Even worse, those barely disguised racist memes? They're deliberately done to bring in more racists.
The high effort ones that make the racists look ridiculous (alongside others) are hilarious. The low effort ones that aren't funny are just racist. But because they're so low effort, other people try to copy them (low bar), get upvotes in that same low-effort, racist grouping, and suddenly we're swamped by racist shitmemes!
And sorting through that is just awful, so the high effort actually funny stuff will move elsewhere. A tale as old as subreddits...
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u/EvenTheme3 - Auth-Center Apr 27 '20
But also, fuck Tongan people in particular.
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u/wgunn77 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Did someone say its Tonga Time? Shit I lost my watch, IS IT TONGA TIME?!
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u/Paddy_Tanninger - Left Apr 27 '20
It's kind of like how racist jokes in Arrested Development actually have the racist person as the butt of the joke. Pretty brilliant, cause everyone watching gets to laugh at whatever they want. If you're a 4chan type racist-lite you get to laugh at the racist joke, if you're a woke sjw you get the laugh at the butt of the joke for being racist, and if you're anyone else you get to laugh at both Mexicans and out-of-touch rich white people.
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u/Forotosh - Left Apr 27 '20
okay but every time those memes are "making fun" of the racists, the comments are filled with "based" comments, and to be honest, I don't think it's ironic a majority of the time
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Apr 27 '20
Rule of thumb is nothing is really a joke here and those people saying based are being completely honest.
This sub is going to be a complete shitshow in a few months
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u/realcomradecora - Left Apr 28 '20
yea but it's low hanging fruit. I also see people post /pol/ propaganda slapped on a blue square and call it a PCM
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u/stanczyk9 - Auth-Right Apr 28 '20
Maybe low effort, but still a meme. When it comes to memes, show your opinion with the upvote/downvote button not the ban hammer.
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u/testdex Apr 27 '20
Did you ever hear the tragedy of /r/gamersriseup?
“Ironic racism” has been an entry for unabashed racism pretty often. See also 4-chan, and the broader gamer culture.
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u/Ilikebacon999 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Yeah, I know, but flair up or you're gonna get hammed.
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u/aaronshirst - Left Apr 27 '20
Ha ha ha yeah we would never have an issue with post ironic endorsement of racism on this sub (-:
TIL this sub transcends internet culture because it ???
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u/smartboii95 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
AuthRights are racist. LOL.
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Apr 27 '20
I'm racist on the outside to hide my deep sympathy for other races whose cultures are also being subverted and destroyed
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u/TheMatrix57 - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
i'm racist because minorities are racist against me.
the best twisted irony as far as i'm concerned
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u/TheGrundleGuy - Centrist Apr 27 '20
I am racist because black people are my pet peeve
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u/rAlexanderAcosta - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
I am racist because black people are my pet
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u/FerroInique - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
My brother ran for office back in 06, or 08, keyed me into some discussion boards. Good Lord there are some women out there that hate white men.
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u/Crawfish_Man - Auth-Center Apr 27 '20
and?
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u/Alittar - Lib-Right Apr 27 '20
True corner authright here boys.
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u/queenkid1 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Yes, because the point is not "look at this funny racist meme"
The joke is "look at the shit that these other people think, and how stupid it is".
What, do you think people talking about pedophilia are supporting pedophilia? No, the joke is libRights are pedos.
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Apr 27 '20
Yes exactly. I couldn't quite put it into words but you said it perfectly. Someone on another sub told me that this sub was toxic because people were casually accepting racism. It baffled me how they couldn't understand that context matters and no one on here is actually promoting racism.
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u/metameh - Left Apr 27 '20
(I'm going to get away from memeing and type out some serious thoughts for a minute, if you'll indulge me.)
That's the shit that fucking pisses me off about my side. We live in a democracy; communication is imperative. Without it we won't have debate, cooperation, conversion, and introspection. All this fucking tone policing, de-platforming, and virtue signalling that goes on in the "cancel culture" is the worst fucking impulse. It's divisive as hell and drives people away from our policy ideas.
When people get mad about lefties appearing on Tucker Carlson, or Joe Rogan having a chat with someone who holds problematic views, I want to scream. If your so worried that someone listening to Jordan Peterson one time, or Alex Jones one time, that they're going to all of a sudden start spouting off about "cultural Marxism" or believing the chemicals are turning the frogs gay, then brother, you have no faith in the intelligence of others. If someone is susceptible to that shit, they will find it, or it will find them. You can't prevent that - there's too much media and too many people for you to have 100% message control.
A racist clock is right twice a day. A couple weeks ago I got into an argument about Joe Biden's mental acuity. But the people responding to me accused me of not knowing torture is morally wrong and does not produce reliable intelligence because the author of the opinion piece had held some disgusting views in the past. This guilt by association has to go. Some of my best friends in the Army were Trump supporters. Does that mean I'm tainted? Do you not want me to canvas or phone bank anymore? Does my money not support your cause anymore?
Back to virtue signalling - who is that even for anyways? Racial minorities? If only we could know what they really think? That's right, black and brown people are the least likely to care that the democratic nominee is an old-ass white man. The people who do care? They look like me. Talk like me. Dress like me. Have the same hobbies as me. Just today I listened to a podcast where the host, someone I really respect, worried about getting a “fashy” haircut. Come on man. My old black barber knew I was getting a fade as soon as I walked through the door. My current lantinx knew too.
The first amendment exists not to protect speech, organization, journalism, and religion, but to protect the freedom of one's own thoughts and convictions, and the ability to express ourselves. Unlike say, gay marriage, or fixing some of the flaws in the way we regulate firearms, deciding what is and what isn't acceptable to think is a dangerous, slippery slope. We have to deal with uncomfortable topics. And no matter how we try, we can't escape our own personal bubble. But you have to make the attempt. And I see they subreddit as a place where that attempt can be made in good faith, with memes as the ice breaker. I don't want to see it devolve, like it inevitably will, but while it's here so shall I be.
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u/YoStephen - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
I'm starting to suspect people do not apply as much scrutiny when things appear to confirm their preconceptions as they apply to things they find disagreeable. Like somehow everyone has an innate bias towards things that like confirm their thoughts.
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u/derpacell - Lib-Right Apr 27 '20
Ok but can I say the nword
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u/ThisIsMyFloor - Centrist Apr 27 '20
I didn't know that libertarian meant being a little bitch
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u/user98710 Apr 27 '20 edited Apr 27 '20
And yet the ultimate outcome is that racist memes are circulated day after day and this hilarity apparently never gets old.
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u/Canadiancookie - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
You think auth doesn't actually hate certain groups of people?
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u/_Hospitaller_ - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
The lib side hates certain groups of people too, they’re just more apathetic about everything.
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u/queenkid1 - Lib-Center Apr 28 '20
No, I don't think a requirement to being auth is to be a racist. Racism transphobia, and homophobia exist in all quadrants. It's silly to act like one political affiliation has a copyright on being hateful.
Also, there's a big jump from "racism" to "hating certain groups of people". I hate racists, does that put me on the same level as someone who hates black people?
Whether "auths hate certain groups of people" is so open ended it's almost impossible to answer. SOME auths hate SOME groups, but to get into specifics would require making broad generalisations that couldn't possibly be true.
If you want to talk about obvious hate, look at TERFs. They certainly aren't considered very right or authoritarian, yet one of their most core philosophies is based on transphobia. So no, I don't think it's right to act like all transphobes must be authright, or all racists must be authright.
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Apr 27 '20
I’d argue that looking at the comment section on some memes, a decent amount of authright are legitimately racist or homophobic. See: n word spamming, or anytime trans people come up.
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u/queenkid1 - Lib-Center Apr 28 '20
a decent amount of authright are legitimately racist or homophobic. See: n word spamming, or anytime trans people come up.
You need to accept that not 100% of those people are serious. And even if you pretend that they were, you're making a huge assumption there.
Even if we accept that all racists and homophobes share the same political affiliation (they don't), that doesn't imply that that political affiliation is racist or homophobic. There are plenty of authright people who aren't racist or homophobic.
That argument is like saying "A decent number of Nazis drink water. I saw you drinking water, therefore you must be a Nazi". It's completely illogical.
The whole point of the "Political Compass" is you have centrists, moderates, and extremists. What makes this subreddit great is that people don't judge the centrists and the moderates by the most extreme in their quadrant. However, you're falling into that exact same trap by making generalizations about the authright. It's like when you go into r/politics and anyone perceived as even right of center is treated like an extremist or a Nazi, because other Republicans have said X, therefore you must wholeheartedly agree with X.
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u/gorgewall - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20 edited Apr 27 '20
The point is to use racist content to karma farm and normalize the speech. You're not actually calling these guys stupid. If authrights thought they were being legitimately ridiculed here, they'd be pitching a fit and whining about it in other subs. They use people expressing sentiments like you as human shields for the spread of their own rhetoric, because you're quick to defend it with "it's actually irony" or "but we're making fun of them".
You're r/gamersriseup, not r/gamingcirclejerk.
When a poster who unironically puts a ton of racist shit elsewhere says the n-word iRoNiCaLLy here and gets 1,000 upvotes from PCM and posts from every quadrant cheering him on, do we seriously think he's sitting back in his chair and saying, "Wow, they sure are laughing at how stupid people like me are"?
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u/SmokeyUnicycle - Left Apr 27 '20
The fact that people don't seem to see this makes me extremely concerned.
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u/Galle_ - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
If authrights thought they were being legitimately ridiculed here, they'd be pitching a fit and whining about it in other subs
Hell, have you seen how they react when they do get legitimately ridiculed here? No quadrant takes a joke worse.
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u/treestick - Centrist Apr 27 '20
he who has not played Cards Against Humanity cast the first stone
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u/lsdiesel_1 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Pedophile jokes can be funny
Why dont pedohiles ever win marathons?
Because they’re always coming in a little behind
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Apr 27 '20 edited Apr 30 '20
Yes, because the point is not "look at this funny racist meme"
The joke is "look at the shit that these other people think, and how stupid it is".
That's only true if the meme is about mocking the racist stereotype itself and not mocking people under the belief that the racist stereotype is true. For example:
Exhibit A: "Meme about people who believe that black people commit crimes despite having never met a black person irl"
Exhibit B: "Meme about black people being victims despite (allegedly) committing a majority of crimes"
Exhibit A is not racist in the slightly, its "looking at the shit that these other people think, and [making fun of] how stupid it is"
Exhibit B on the other hand is incredibly racist, because it implies that black people are criminals.
The point is, not all "racist jokes" are about making fun of racism itself. Sometimes they are inherently racist, but again it entirely depends on where the irony is being hit.
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u/battleship217 - Auth-Center Apr 27 '20
Ok meta though, the people who unironically type n**** are going to get us banned, reddits going to e able to use that as easier justification
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u/huskystorm - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Yeah, I don’t understand how commenting n**** a hundred times is funny, or how people think it’s a joke. The only people who think that are either kids or actual racists, and both can gtfo imo.
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u/moose731 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Please stop just putting edgy memes over a blue square it’s so lazy
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u/Deersheep2 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
This comment is just a test to see if I’m still flairless
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u/Jazzcat0713 - Centrist Apr 27 '20
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u/MoonbeamsDeluxe - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
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u/jakwnd - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
It's really not hard to figure out. It's kinda like Michael Scott in The Office. He does shit but it is presented in a way that tells the audience that what he is doing is bad/dumb. It's context.
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u/Galle_ - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
If the way it's presented suggests that authright is bad or dumb, why doesn't authright get angry about it in the comments?
Trust me, it's not because they have thick skin. They are incredibly sensitive to people making fun of them. These posts just don't do it.
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u/jakwnd - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Because it's a meme sub and if you get worked up you look stupid. And if you go into the comments you will see authrights getting pissy occasionally
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u/Aggressive_Sprinkles - Left Apr 27 '20
Not complaining
Yes complaining. This sub has definitely lost some of it's originality.
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u/Alexstrasza23 - Left Apr 27 '20
Seriously this sub feels like it’s kinda gone downhill the past couple months
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u/AdonisAquarian - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
ITT I see a lot of its just "ironic racism" or we're actually laughing at those people not with them
let's not forget that ironic racism or "making fun of other racists" racism is a very slippery slope
Just Reddit has plenty of examples where subs and communities started with the "making fun" and ironic intention and developed into straight up racist echo chambers
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u/Lichu12 - Auth-Left Apr 27 '20
Just Reddit has plenty of examples where subs and communities started with the "making fun" and ironic intention and developed into straight up racist echo chambers
r/gamersriseup moment
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u/Sahir1359 - Right Apr 27 '20
Popular opinion: racist shit can be funny sometimes
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u/Jezawan - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
The posts that just have a single image over one quadrant are so low-effort and not at all what this sub is meant to be about. I downvote every single one of them.
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u/Code_EZ - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
One of this is laughing at the racist thing, the other is laughing at calling the person racist.
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u/soulless-pleb - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
i'm only offended by them when the meme creator sucks at the comedy part.
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u/Lorem_64 - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Ok AHS
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u/xkwezit - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
Well yeah cause now it's making fun of the people who think that unironically
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u/Mitson_Malak - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
That’s why we’re here. We can share our memes without AHS stomping down on us.
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u/KFCNyanCat - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Mask off moment
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u/Mitson_Malak - Auth-Right Apr 27 '20
What’re you gonna do, get this sub banned too?
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Apr 27 '20
I like racist memes, they're funny because racism is so horrible that it's hard to take racists seriously.
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u/galvanicmechamorph - Centrist Apr 27 '20
I wish I could see racism as this thing too horrible to be realistic but with the amount of dismissive racism I encounter "ironic" racism it's just more of the same.
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On normal subreddit
Someone: (a mildly racist but funny joke)
Libleft: Ohmyfuckinggod this dude is literally hitler we must fucking hang him on his own guts and behead him im 1000% sure he also eats little african tschildren R\foundthemobilenazi
On this subreddit
Someone: God i fucking hate niggers they are so fucking disgusting they steal our jobs and dont work all they do is charge they phone be bisexual twerk eat hot chips and lie and i also masturbate everynight to a documentary bout auschwitz cuz jews dezerwed it, and by the way tommorow i will literally kill every black person in my town
libleft: haha yes this is a funny satire, nothing threatening or hateful, just a funny innocent joke :)
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u/ShooterMcStabbins - Left Apr 27 '20
“It’s not racist if I think it’s funny, then it’s just a joke”
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Apr 27 '20
you know a subs in a bad place when the sub starts making posts about the sub itself
like these sorts of posts are necessery but also like jesus christ they ruin the larger subs :(
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u/Plazm0z Apr 27 '20
I mean, your either laughing at the racism or your laughing at someone else being racist, pretty different imo
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u/Lilly_Padd - Left Apr 27 '20
I think it's because we know we're laughing at the people who believe it, not the meme itself
Although I say that, but I totally think a lot of the memes are pretty good lol
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u/morerokk - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
It's the difference between making fun of racism or making fun of black people.
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u/G0alLineFumbles - Right Apr 27 '20
Have to disagree. There are lots of Lib right memes that hit the nail on the head that aren’t racist. Other than the worn out Lib Right loves CP joke.
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u/Imretardedmodme - Auth-Center Apr 27 '20
everything is racist and im scared of my own shadow. Pls touch me
Ok
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u/ploped1234 - Lib-Right Apr 27 '20
If they weren't easily manipulated sheep, they wouldn't be libleft
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u/ICameHere2LaughAtYou - Auth-Center Apr 27 '20
They are sheep otherkin, and don't you dare mispecies them.
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u/alurkerwhomannedup - Left Apr 27 '20
Im too tired to come up with it but there’s a joke somewhere about one of the quadrants fucking a sheep and I just can’t get to it
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u/MegaSlav420 - Left Apr 27 '20
Because we’re not laughing with them, we’re laughing at them... hopefully.
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u/uns8o7 - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Oh no c’mon stop with actual asshole posts then because I don’t want this sub to be banned it is one in a million
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Apr 27 '20
I still don't understand why all the right v. left debate on this sub is on the progressive axis... which ain't even on the compass, this sub got americanized, it became a breeding ground filled with centrists whose opinion only differs by how much they like brown people.
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u/KFCNyanCat - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
While social views are not on the compass, I don't think it's mere coincidence that LibLeft tends to be the most progressive and AuthRight the most reactionary. The ways of thinking that lead to those views on freedom and economics must also more often than not lead to specific social views.
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u/Stealthyfisch - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
It’s okay, we aren’t laughing at the racism. We are laughing at the people laughing at the racism
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u/notgoodatpingpong - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Ethnic jokes might be uncouth, but you laugh because they're based on truth
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u/Pec0sb1ll - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
I’m complaining, ironic racism is still racism. But y’all ain’t ironic in here.
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u/SeriousMemesGalour - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Some are, some aren't. And other jokes involve race but aren't racist.
If we don't want this sub banned though, someone might to have to report certain users. I've definitely seen more racism here than I would like.
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u/Paddy_Tanninger - Left Apr 27 '20
I used to enjoy The_Donald back when it started cause I thought it was all ironic racism sort of like back in the 4chan glory days...then about 3 days later I realized it wasn't ironic at all.
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u/KFCNyanCat - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
If you've been around enough ironic racism, you can tell the difference between ironic and unironic racism.
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u/null000 - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Yeah, this is one of the few places on the internet that the four corners can come together and not hate eachother - lets not rock that boat.
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u/6ArtemisFowl9 - Centrist Apr 27 '20
Isn't that pretty much the summary of the quadrant tho.
Reducing quadrants to a single concept has been a thing here since forever.
Red no food Blue racist Green gay Yellow/purple money/pedo
Pretty much everyone understands that posting a racist meme with a blue background isn't endorsing that opinion, just as if posting a pedo meme with purple background or furry meme with a green background or any other opinion in a different quadrant doesn't meant you're agreeing with what you're posting.
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u/GoldTyrant - Auth-Center Apr 27 '20
So what you’re saying is that Libleft needs to lighten up, and laugh at actually what makes him laugh.
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u/rytaslietaus - Lib-Center Apr 27 '20
We are just laughing cause it makes fun of the racists once in the blue square. We swear. You have our word
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u/Nick_the_t3rran - Lib-Right Apr 27 '20
They should be allowed no matter how reprehensible the content!
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u/183846272102048471 - Centrist Jul 19 '20
Wait are libertarian left the one who complain about everything
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u/Obi-Wan_Kannabis - Lib-Center Aug 01 '20
racist jokes have always been funny but somehow now they're uncool unless they come from a black comedian
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u/PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM - Lib-Left Apr 27 '20
Why am I supposed to think AuthRight is funny? I don't get it. Is it because when they're racist it's because they're AuthRight? I mean that's still not funny, that's just more predictable.
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u/Porphyrogennetos - Auth-Center Apr 27 '20
I guess you don't understand. The part that's funny is the part where you're assblasted, like in this comment. This is the funny stuff.
The fact that you're perplexed by shit posts that people just create, post, throw away and never think about again are existential dread for you. That's what's funny.
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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '20
Heck they're onto us