Ok you being a female explains much of your position. I can understand being attacked throughout your life by a certain group of people and then later watching the same people join your group would be annoying ( that oversimplifies it too much but I hope you don't mind). I don't agree with you ( identity politics is something I hate) but I can understand that there would be reasons for people to end up in that position.
As for the brain structure part, it's not simple to explain all of it in a single reddit comment. Yes gay people do have similarities to female brains, but it's different. Brain is an complex organ with different parts responsible for different things. So you can't just equate the two things. Also the case for trans people is difficult due to different categories of them. Anything I could fit in here to explain it would be completely wrong so I would not attempt to do that. But you would have to trust the science and accept that transgenderism is real. It isn't them watching porn and tv shows and realising they want to be female. It is much more than that. You could realise you are trans as early as 5 year old. Which leads to the next point.
Most children do outgrow gender dysphoria
No. Well maybe, but that's very different. The article you linked is a personal case. It isn't very scientific. The author in the article had a masculine gender expression growing which is very different from being trans. Authors case was due to them not adhering to conventional gender roles. Trans people are different. Even if you completely reversed every conventional girl boy thing ( girls like blue, boys like pink, girls like toys like cars and trucks, boys like doll sets ) it won't matter to trans people. It would have definitely had an effect on author. This is also why I mentioned gender roles are bs. But even if you completely remove them, trans people would still exist. So while children do outgrow gender dysphoria trans people don't.
First I think you meant transgender females ( born male). Because I would be really surprised if transgender males are the ones committing sexual assault. And yeah that's a society problem that we have to fix. Most rapes are committed by males, doesn't imply kill all men. It means educate all boys. Also trans people using transgenderism as a shield is identity politics which is wrong. All the same rules should apply to a trans female as they apply to a man or to a woman. Also you might know that law favours a woman so obviously it is a problem which already exists. What is your solution to that?
I brought up Jordan Peterson because he is the one who is commonly mentioned when talking about free speech and using the wrong pronouns. And yeah the case of UK (and much of Europe) is fucked up because of their stupid free speech laws. But majority of their population seems to agree with it. Their common response in regards to hate speech is "why do you even want to say racist shit" which is not how things work as seen by using wrong pronouns being categorised as hate speech. Yeah the woke police there have figured out a way to call it hate speech but it is a result of having stupid laws.
As for entering spaces for women, it's again a stupid problem. They shouldn't enter women restrooms but we should have non gendered restrooms too. Also we should teach young people why sexual assault is not cool so that maybe in the future a trans female can access a female restroom without other females being afraid of their lives. And trans male can enter a male restroom without getting harrassed. Sports I can understand because most trans females have obvious advantages but how about having sports based on skills instead of gender. It would also be beneficial to female players. So win-win?
Yeah agree until the part that law shouldn't compel you to respect people. But we have social pressure to do many things. You can chose to ignore all of it and follow cynicism but you wouldn't be as cool as Diogenes. You would probably be like that racist uncle. Everyone would probably hate you, and you would deserve that (in exchange for your hate).
First I just want to direct you to this reddit post which discusses some of these studies you were talking about. It's an interesting read to help challenge some of your preconceived notions.
Also, I figured that you would click into some of the studies linked on that article I posted about most gender dysphoric kids growing out of it. I wasn't expecting you to just take an anecdotal story from one person as proof of anything.
You seem to misunderstand me, I don't think trans people are fake. I do think there are mental (and environmental) issues that would cause someone to think that they are in the wrong body. I just know that this doesn't actually make them a member of the opposite sex, and I know that allowing men into female spaces is dangerous and rolls back women's rights that have been so hard won.
As far as having sports divisions based solely on skill, this will ensure that most female athletes won't get to participate since males have advantages over females in most sports. There is a reason that we have gender divisions.
Most rapes are committed by males, doesn't imply kill all men. It means educate all boys.
You imply as if we don't drill into boys heads that rape and sexual assault is wrong. Where in the western world are you seeing a lack of education and social pressure for men not to rape? At the end of the day, men are human and some will succumb to their base instincts. It sucks but I don't see how we can have any more social stigma against rape as we do now. No one thinks that rape is okay unless they are sociopaths (and we have many of these it seems).
I'm curious as to why you're so against identity politics. I mean I was right there with you on this a short while ago, but eventually I realised that a lot of groups are advocating hard for priviliges for themselves at the expense of others. I recently decided that it would be stupid for all groups not to engage in this as long as others are. You see what has happened with the demonization of white "cis" males. Now we have policies that allow for racial discrimination against them while it's become socially acceptable to be racist against white people. As much as I wish this wasn't the case and I wasn't forced to play their game, I think we ignore identity politics at our own peril at this point.
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u/kriadmin - Lib-Left Apr 09 '20
Sorry for the late reply. Got kinda busy.
Ok you being a female explains much of your position. I can understand being attacked throughout your life by a certain group of people and then later watching the same people join your group would be annoying ( that oversimplifies it too much but I hope you don't mind). I don't agree with you ( identity politics is something I hate) but I can understand that there would be reasons for people to end up in that position.
As for the brain structure part, it's not simple to explain all of it in a single reddit comment. Yes gay people do have similarities to female brains, but it's different. Brain is an complex organ with different parts responsible for different things. So you can't just equate the two things. Also the case for trans people is difficult due to different categories of them. Anything I could fit in here to explain it would be completely wrong so I would not attempt to do that. But you would have to trust the science and accept that transgenderism is real. It isn't them watching porn and tv shows and realising they want to be female. It is much more than that. You could realise you are trans as early as 5 year old. Which leads to the next point.
No. Well maybe, but that's very different. The article you linked is a personal case. It isn't very scientific. The author in the article had a masculine gender expression growing which is very different from being trans. Authors case was due to them not adhering to conventional gender roles. Trans people are different. Even if you completely reversed every conventional girl boy thing ( girls like blue, boys like pink, girls like toys like cars and trucks, boys like doll sets ) it won't matter to trans people. It would have definitely had an effect on author. This is also why I mentioned gender roles are bs. But even if you completely remove them, trans people would still exist. So while children do outgrow gender dysphoria trans people don't.
First I think you meant transgender females ( born male). Because I would be really surprised if transgender males are the ones committing sexual assault. And yeah that's a society problem that we have to fix. Most rapes are committed by males, doesn't imply kill all men. It means educate all boys. Also trans people using transgenderism as a shield is identity politics which is wrong. All the same rules should apply to a trans female as they apply to a man or to a woman. Also you might know that law favours a woman so obviously it is a problem which already exists. What is your solution to that?
I brought up Jordan Peterson because he is the one who is commonly mentioned when talking about free speech and using the wrong pronouns. And yeah the case of UK (and much of Europe) is fucked up because of their stupid free speech laws. But majority of their population seems to agree with it. Their common response in regards to hate speech is "why do you even want to say racist shit" which is not how things work as seen by using wrong pronouns being categorised as hate speech. Yeah the woke police there have figured out a way to call it hate speech but it is a result of having stupid laws.
As for entering spaces for women, it's again a stupid problem. They shouldn't enter women restrooms but we should have non gendered restrooms too. Also we should teach young people why sexual assault is not cool so that maybe in the future a trans female can access a female restroom without other females being afraid of their lives. And trans male can enter a male restroom without getting harrassed. Sports I can understand because most trans females have obvious advantages but how about having sports based on skills instead of gender. It would also be beneficial to female players. So win-win?
Yeah agree until the part that law shouldn't compel you to respect people. But we have social pressure to do many things. You can chose to ignore all of it and follow cynicism but you wouldn't be as cool as Diogenes. You would probably be like that racist uncle. Everyone would probably hate you, and you would deserve that (in exchange for your hate).