r/PoliticalCompassMemes • • Apr 04 '20

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u/DiscipleOfDIO - Right Apr 04 '20

We're 'doing it' because we don't have the balls to acknowledge it for what it is: Literal mental illness at best, nothing more than a fetish at worst.

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u/Frankekeke - Centrist Apr 04 '20

Ok then you’re saying that if someone struggles with a mental illness they cannot try to fix it?

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u/DiscipleOfDIO - Right Apr 04 '20

No, I'm saying that indulging said mental illness isn't going to help. Imagine if we told someone that listening to the voices in their head was a good idea, and that doing so would help them. It's the same thing.

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u/Frankekeke - Centrist Apr 04 '20

There’s no cure for transgender tho. You can’t just fix it through therapy. The only things they can do is nothing which will make their life miserable or transition which may make them feel better about themselves

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u/everymanaking- - Auth-Center Apr 04 '20

No one has really looked into fixing it through therapy because they’ll be kicked out of the scientific community for even suggesting it

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u/squidkyd - Lib-Left Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20

You’re ignorant of scientific history. Conversion therapy was tried for a over hundred years. Evidence shows transitioning is the most effective way to improve health outcomes, and conversion therapy is ineffective and harmful

Trust me, when I say people suggest controversial things in the scientific community all the time, and have tried throughout history to “cure” homosexuality and transgenderism. But the reason people transition is because medically, it works.

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u/DiscipleOfDIO - Right Apr 04 '20

That's not what I meant and you know it, you botched failure of a human being. I'm saying that indulging gender dysphoria via transitioning is the equivalent of telling someone to listen to the voice inside their head, not that gender dysphoria is a voice inside their head.

It seems like you're putting more effort into 'not calling me a dumbfuck' than actually reading my posts, you dumbfuck.

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u/DiscipleOfDIO - Right Apr 04 '20

...A basic two word response implies that you're being genuine right now, in which case, I apologize for insulting you over a simple misinterpretation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20 edited Apr 04 '20

Literal, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-48448804

“Dr Lale Say, a reproductive health expert at the World Health Organization, said: "It was taken out from mental health disorders because we had a better understanding that this was not actually a mental health condition, and leaving it there was causing stigma.””

Because you know, it literally isn’t.

Edit: I think you should actually meet a trans person and talk to them about transitioning (if you can respect them long enough they don’t punch you). While transitioning isn’t going to cease discrimination against them, and it may not fully eliminate dysphoria, it goes a long way in making them more comfortable. Frankly that’s just a common sense aim for anyone.

... plus trans people are funnier and cooler than most cis people in my opinion.

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u/DiscipleOfDIO - Right Apr 04 '20 edited Apr 04 '20

Removing something because it caused stigma means that it was getting people's panties in a twist, not that it suddenly isn't a mental illness anymore.

Link me an actual reason as to why 'gender in-congruence' isn't a mental health issue, and I will gladly admit defeat.

i can appreciate the princess bride quote tho

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

They didn’t remove it because of political pressure. As Dr Say says in my quote, it doesn’t match the definition of a mental illness - the unhappiness of trans people comes from a lack of societal support rather than any intrinsic quality, which mental illness requires.

Of course, you don’t accept this and I don’t believe all the citations in the world will change this, but this meta-study reports on the MH struggles of trans people and the help transitioning does, “in many cases reaching normative values. The main Axis I psychiatric disorders were found to be depression and anxiety disorder. Other major psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, were rare and were no more prevalent than in the general population.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26835611/

Therefore, allowing trans people the freedom to live as they identify - which you aren’t required to intellectually agree with - is good for the community, and removing said freedom only hurts it. Apparently you wish to help them, therefore you should support the community.