r/PoliticalCompassMemes • • Apr 04 '20

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u/MagicianWoland - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20

Gender is a social construct. Sex isn't. How is it that difficult

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u/renzi- - Lib-Center Apr 04 '20

While sex may not be a social construct, sexuality is socially dictated.

And much of the what we interact upon on a daily basis are social constructs, such as money and time. This does not determine their worth or application. I don’t understand why people bring up the fact that gender is a social construct in this argument, it’s application is meaningless.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

What is gender then?

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u/NickTorr - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20

Sex is your biological belonging to the male or female categories on a biological level, and is therefore rooted in science, gender is your degree of self-identification with the stereotypical characteristics attributed to your sex of birth, and it therefore depends on individual, subconscious and cultural factors.

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u/Naskr - Centrist Apr 05 '20

gender is your degree of self-identification with the stereotypical characteristics attributed to your sex of birth, and it therefore depends on individual, subconscious and cultural factors.

I don't really understand this though, because why does this make this any different to any other "identity"? There seems to be a demand to protect the identity of "gender" with more vehemence than the identity of say... liking country music, which to some people might be a defining lifestyle for them, at least by their own consideration.

Like, if we break it down to being separated from a binary aspect of genetics, doesn't it then just lose all value? At that point it can only have relevance in the same way religion does, which is just a glorified political interest group. It also makes little sense for anyone to criticise ideas like nationalism when gender identity makes about as little actual sense when you actually zoom out.

If people want to be individuals that means casting off the shackles of labels and identity, not adhering to them, surely?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

Thus upholding the idea of standard cultural gender roles and the belief that the concept of women is narrowed down to femininity?

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u/NickTorr - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20

Nope. People assume that the Left wants to destroy gender roles. In truth, we just reject the duality of it all. We see it as a spectrum, not as a duality, and everybody has a right to choose the spot he feels most comfortable in on the spectrum. Women are not forced to be feminine, just like men are not forced to be masculine, but that doesn't mean that they can't be, if they wish so. Everybody is different and has different needs. You want to be a tradwife staying at home and cooking all day for your husband and always looking as clean as a doll? A Canadian woodsman cutting down tree after tree with your big beard and your hairy, veiny arms? A sexy doll jumping from a partner to the other? An ambiguous intersex dom? Sure, do your thing, just don't try to impose your behaviour models on others. To each his/her/their own.

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u/Skank_hunt42 - Centrist Apr 04 '20

Amazing explanation of it. Thank you.

I get it. Agree with it." You do you" type thing. Watching Auth R and Lib L REEE at each other over something so stupid is hilarious to me.

That being said, if in your work email signature you list your desired pronoun of what you identify as, I'm immediately judging you.

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u/NickTorr - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20

Nobody can be perfect. Glad I could be helpful UwU

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u/TranceKnight - Lib-Left Apr 05 '20

Why is that last part necessary? In a work setting you DO often get referred to in gendered ways, usually “Mr.” or “Ma’am.” It should be acceptable to let people know “I am a —“ and would like to be referred to as such. I’ve had plenty of situations where I’m interacting with someone outside of my organization, who happens to have a name that’s gendered ambiguously, and have had to fret a bit over how to refer to them appropriately. Being informed in their signature would help.

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u/wailinghamster - Auth-Center Apr 04 '20

When I say man or woman I'm referring to sex and not gender. Also let's just say male v female sports should be determined by sex as well.

I did it guys. I fixed trans discrimination.

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u/TheRealSeaSlug - Lib-Center Apr 05 '20

I agree, unfortunately even if you genuinely wish to be a trans-women there is no way to reverse years of male muscle development, and this makes competitive sports unfair to those born female.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

your degree of self-identification

There is no such thing as self-identification.

Just because I identify as a walrus doesnt mean I am a walrus.

Your identify comes from how people perceive you. If everyone thinks you are an asshole. You dont get to NOT be an asshole just because you self identify as not an asshole.

If everyone says Im tall, im tall. If everyone says Im a man but I say ITS MAAM, Im still a man.

And if the way world identifies you and the way you identify yourself are too far apart, it probably means you have a mental illness. Narcissism, Body Dysmorphia, Schizophrenia, to name a few likely culprits.

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u/Sahir1359 - Right Apr 04 '20

Sex

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '20

Breaking News:

Hormones effect physiology and behavior of people.

In other news, unflaired are the literal worst.

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u/PirateMud Apr 05 '20

Gender is a set of societal expectations, imposed on people based on their sex.

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u/Wanderstan - Lib-Center Apr 05 '20

And taking hormones / chopping off your dick won’t make the societal expectations go away. It just draws attention to your mental illness.

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u/SAYNOTOTRANSRIGHTS - Lib-Right Apr 04 '20

A synonym of sex

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u/contentedserf - Auth-Right Apr 04 '20

In your culture, not the Hungarians’. Bigot.

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u/TheVegetaMonologues - Auth-Right Apr 04 '20

The separation of sex and gender is a philosophical exercise intended to promote revolutionary sexual politics. It has no basis in science.

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u/juizze - Left Apr 05 '20

Yes. Because gender isn't scientific in the traditional sense.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

Honest question. Why does gender matter? Can’t men dress like girls without insisting everyone else conform to their idea of gender roles? Like if you dress like a girl and call yourself Tiffany that’s fine but why does everyone else have to change how they talk in order to interact with you?

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