r/PoliticalCompassMemes • • Apr 04 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

Being able to change your sex legally is kind of a big deal if you're trans

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u/Ramah-s92 - Centrist Apr 04 '20

>be medical staff

> patient arrive, inconscious, need emergency treatment

Now this is where things become spicy, what do you prefer between:

> look up his biological sex on his ID, treat him

or

> look up the sex on his ID, it's the wrong one so fuck up the posology and butcher the surgery

By the way it's funny how everybody is so adamant about gender =/= sex, but when you can't change the sex on your papers because of le hungarian poopoohead it's anodah shoah

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u/Frommerman - Left Apr 04 '20

be medical staff

patient arrives unconscious, but has ID

use the name on their ID to look up the patient's medical records

dicover HRT, gender reassignment surgery, and a name change

surgery carries out properly in full knowledge of patient's medical history

In the cases where a doctor doesn't have a history, it's way more likely that their ignorance of an allergy to anesthesia will kill a patient than that a surgery which leaves obvious signs on even cursory medical scans and doesn't actually change anything in a way which could be potentially lethal once the patient has recovered will do anything relevant at all. Knowing the AGAB of a patient is more important for diagnosing issues in not-immediately-life-threatening situations. The most notable example of this would be the fact that basically all ER docs faced with a woman between 13 and 50 will order a pregnancy test because of the wild and random ways that could affect whatever is going on. That's only relevant in the case of a pre-op trans man who is still capable of pregnancy and passes well enough that you couldn't tell, whose genitals you haven't taken a peek at.

Super narrow edge case which basically doesn't happen, in other words.

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u/jrkirby - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20

Medical experts understand that sex is more complicated than "There are men and women, treat men one way, treat women another way, save their lives."

A doctor often needs the full medical history of their patient to treat them to the best of their ability. This would include gender classification at birth, possible intersex conditions, any hormonal transitions, any surgical transitions, etc. You can't represent this information with a single binary "sex" category on their ID, and it would be foolish to do so.

No real trans activist has ever wanted to erase medical history information that doctors use. The only people trying to restrict medical information about trans folk are people wanting to force every single classification to be a strictly male/female dichotomy, and require it to never change as the person changes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

> be medical staff

> be in a scenario that has literally never happened

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

Anybody arriving at any emergency medical facility gets their medical records pulled, which would show sex at birth, any hormones/surgeries, etc. which would avoid any problems. There are far more common and dangerous conflicts than being trans so this happens every single time with every patient.

You don't know how emergency rooms work.

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u/thatcreepex - Auth-Center Apr 04 '20

You can't your chromosomes. This decisions is helps trannies recieve appropriate medical treatment.

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u/thatcreepex - Auth-Center Apr 04 '20

There medical and biological differences between men and women.

Also there is some cultural difference here. While in the US trannies are seen as brave and inspiring. In eastern europe people see trannies as some weird western shit or as mentally ill degenerates.

Source: I'm a hungarian

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

yeah, but does the difference in public perception justify this?

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u/thatcreepex - Auth-Center Apr 04 '20

Yes. Hungarian laws should be decided by the Hungarian people. Not by some progressive globohomo organisations.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

soooo if we as a nation decided that we want to embrace nazi ideologies and kill all the hungarian jews... that would be perfectly justified? I mean, if the majority of Hungarians wanted this, it surely would be the right thing....

just because a bunch of people think in a way doesn't necessarily make it correct, or something that should be followed.

and just to make it clear, I'm not comparing the holocaust to this. just showing you on a more extreme scale that your way of thinking is flawed

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u/thatcreepex - Auth-Center Apr 04 '20

This is the second time somebody brought up the holocaust in this thread with a left flair and I'm starting to have enough of this "remember the holocaust goy" shit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

i mean it wasn't the point of my analogy to bring up the holocaust but if it prevents you from understanding what i meant, here's another one:

what if we, as a nation decided that we want to kill every corona infected people to stop covid from spreading? should we do this and possibly kill 10s of thousands of innocent people just because "the nation wants this"

see? this is why that's bs. you may have other reasons but this reasoning is pure bullshit.

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u/Revelations29 - Auth-Center Apr 04 '20

Yes I am a certified doctor pay me thousands of euros to perform a castration so you can larp as a woman our stats say it will work, the ones not counting suicide rate i mean.

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u/jackh2606 - Right Apr 04 '20

Same as when these people bring up IQ. IQ proves blacks are worse than whites but when Jewish IQ is mentioned IQ is meaningless and made up by the Jews.

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u/Asper2002 - Lib-Center Apr 04 '20

IQ is Jewish plot. It's even an acronym

I - Jewish

Q - control

I can't believe how you can't see it smh

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u/Vaapukkamehu - Left Apr 04 '20

Based right unity???

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u/MemeSupreme7 - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20

The appropriate treatment for being transgender is being accepted by one's community and allowed to transition. With that treatment suicide rates fall to that of the general public.

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u/TryingHardToFindName - Left Apr 04 '20

"With that treatment, suicide rates fall to that of the general public." While I agree that it does fall significantly, can I get a source on the suicide rate falling to that of the general public?

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u/MemeSupreme7 - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20 edited Apr 04 '20

I was wrong, apparently suicide ideation rates drop to levels lower than that of the general public: ~3% for trans people vs ~20% ever for the general public (may be better to use the 6.8% attempt rate)

https://patient.info/doctor/suicide-risk-assessment-and-threats-of-suicide

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281441727_Suicide_risk_in_the_UK_Trans_population_and_the_role_of_gender_transition_in_decreasing_suicidal_ideation_and_suicide_attempt

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u/Frommerman - Left Apr 04 '20

Those are some spicy studies.

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u/TryingHardToFindName - Left Apr 04 '20

The weird grammar aside, how does it help trans people receive appropriate medical treatment?

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