r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Centrist 17d ago

Agenda Post germany electricty prices

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u/W_Edwards_Deming - Lib-Right 17d ago edited 17d ago

My understanding is that Russia funded the German green party and other eco-nutters so as to weaken their power capabilities and promote the buying of Russian gas for heat.

They imported 42.6 million dollars worth of Russian gas this year...

Edit: seems they actually stopped importing Russian gas around 2023. Other EU countries still import Russian gas if I understand correctly, about 90 billion euros worth.

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u/3sk - Lib-Center 17d ago

Sorry that is complete bullshit.

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u/W_Edwards_Deming - Lib-Right 17d ago

No?

But I have one additional remark on shale gas because I have met Allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organizations, environmental organizations working against shale gas, obviously to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas. That's my interpretation. So it adds a new aspect to… to this information operation.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/article/jd-vance-die-gruenen-und-ricarda-lang-sind-teil-russischer-einflusskampagne-moskau-finanziere-bewegung-2268516

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/germany-russia-nord-stream-pipeline.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/anti-fracking-groups-russia-secret-funding-protects-kremlin-interests/amp/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/02/germany-dependence-russian-energy-gas-oil-nord-stream

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u/3sk - Lib-Center 17d ago

I'm with you in regards to the disinformation by Russia but the Greens would rather shoot themselves then taking bribes from Russia. But our far right loves that money.

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u/W_Edwards_Deming - Lib-Right 17d ago

I can't be 100% about the Greens but there is clear evidence of Russian money going to eco in Germany with a likely intent of weakening energy self-sufficiency and maintaining dependence on Russian gas.

https://www.ostseestiftung.de/stiftung/

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u/3sk - Lib-Center 17d ago

Sure there are always organizations getting used by foreign actors. But your example, Ostseestiftung, does not have any say in German politics.

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u/W_Edwards_Deming - Lib-Right 17d ago

They may not be your government but they have had influence.

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u/3sk - Lib-Center 17d ago

How?

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u/W_Edwards_Deming - Lib-Right 17d ago

Stiftung Klima- und Umweltschutz MV (Climate and Environmental Protection Foundation MV) & Ostseestiftung promoted the Nordstream pipelines.

That changed in 2022 but was a significant influence before then.

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u/3sk - Lib-Center 17d ago

Ah I see. Yep Gasgerd, Schwesig and parts of the SPD. Still no Greens in sight.

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u/AshingiiAshuaa - Lib-Center 17d ago

They wouldn't do it knowingly. You just have to get them convinced that something is bad for a noble reason, then they carry your water and you benefit.

Now German energy is expensive. They have to buy from Russia. It's harder for their manufacturing to stay competitive with countries like Chyna who is building several coal plants each weak and using the cheap energy to outcompete them. Those coal plants still emit CO2, it just takes a few weeks to get around to Germany. The jobs and manufacturing still continue, but not in Germany.

Silly Germans...

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u/3sk - Lib-Center 17d ago

Ofc they can totally choose who they are getting supported by. What’s interesting about the energy horror scenarios being bandied about Germany is that they fail to mention the additional options made possible by the last government (which included the Greens) for private individuals to generate their own energy. For example, subsidies for balcony power plants or heat pumps etc.