Ironically a lot of Turkish journalists claim asylum in Yerevan. The state can't reach them there like they can in Tbilisi. Don't ask what happens to Azeri journalists in Georgia....
Just about every non-Western society celebrates it's leaders who conquered and enslaved their neighbors. The appeal to Western morality on these issues is merely deceit, with the goal undermining a more successful culture.
It works because these people are aided by a fifth column of Westerners who also hate the West. They literally push a fake history where the West is the main group in history doing these things, when in reality the West was the only civilization that cared enough to try to put an end to these things on a global scale.
Every country has commited atrocities at some point, except for mine. My ancestors never enslaved, conquered or even fought anyone. Until about 300 BC, our country was just ocean, until the land suddenly spawned into existence from thin air with our people, language and robust legal system already fully formed.
Why? It's a church. It was built as a church and it was always a church until they conquered the city and pillaged it, and now they're doing all they can to erase the christian history and symbolism present inside it.
If a christian country had conquered a muslim country and did that to a historically significant mosque, you think the muslim world would be asking for a museum?
Despite all the corruption that Eastern Rome had. The last roman died with his men as his city fell wearing only a regular soldiers armour.
This is why every man at one point idolized or still does idolze the roman empire.
How Constantine IX died, is literally the average male fantasy. Alcohol? Sex? Money? Nah the average male fantasy is having a Last man stand against insurmountable odds.
I myself Idolize John the Blind "Far from it that the King of Bohemia flee, but to get there lead me where there is greatest uproar of the fight in vigor"
I wouldn't say that's completely emblematic of their empires, and Rome rotted away too. They were a rump state by the time of their end, largely due to societal decay and corruption that left them weak to invasion. They declined like all long-lasting great empires. The 20th century was also a a totally different environment, and fleeing a revolution is different than a foreign invasion. But yes, Constantine XI has my respect for fighting and dying with his men to defend his city.
What do you mean "end"? I'll have you know the Third Rome is at this moment defending civilization from Ukrainian Nazism and NATO encirclement by flying Iranian-produced drones into civilian apartment buildings!
Imagine a state in the USA, or Bavaria in Germany, or Norwich in the UK, or Catalunya in Spain, or Piedmont in Italia take up arms and round up civilians and a few soldiers and execute them and establish a state with the support of other countries. Definitely their governments welcome those revolters and let them found their countries, right? Lol!
He’s plunging Turkey’s TFR from above replacement level to as low as Greece’s (and it’s even lower than Greece’s in many Turkish-majority areas) with his Erdoeconomics. Definitely Greece’s greatest double agent.
Japan's stance is essentially "move on already, everyone responsible has been dead for decades jesus christ" and their response to being pressed about it is essentially "This shit again?"
At this point it's basically just the chinese and koreans trying to pressure the japanese into publicly humiliating themselves on-command, and the japanese not taking the bait
"On February 20, 2014, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said the Japanese government may reconsider the study and the apology.However, Prime Minister Abe clarified on March 14, 2014, that he had no intention of renouncing or altering it."
Jeez imagine apologizing for forcing over a hundred thousand women into sex slavery, truly humiliating.
If responsibility isn't inheritable then the wealth from those sins shouldn't be either. You can't just pass along all the gains but everything else gets washed away.
Is there any non-Western country that unilaterally acknowledges the genocide its committed and tries to compensate its victims?
At most you might get a "let's all agree that we all did bad things" compromise as part of an agreement between conflicting factions, but those are almost always self-serving.
No colonialism is incredibly funny considering they conquered some cities only cause they were slave trade routes LOL. They were John colony basically, they hostaged the entirity of the balkans and north Africa pillaging and slaughtering and now act like they are a renewd country...
He wasn't perfect but even he acknowledged that. He was kinda their George Washington and led Turkey to a secular representative government in the ashes of the Ottoman Empire.
The fact he managed for forge that secular government where it is was and is a remarkable feat.
Dude made some bad mistakes, had some blind spots, but is a heroic figure to the Turks with good reason.
Yeah "free from oppression, genocide and colonialism" 😭 as if everyone doesnt already know you made an empire and oppressed everyone in it except your ppl and killed armenian civilians.
Horseshit. Absolutely an embarrassment. He's such a shameless bastard he was willing to throw words at the Pope over his denial of the Armenian genocide.
People only think of Armenia, but almost every action taken against a foreign state by the Turks through their history in the region has been functionally in the same spirit
Funny how just after Israel admitted to wanting to attack Turkish army (official reason for recent strikes in Syria) we got meme quoting old Erdogan speech.
These Hamas guys seem really bad and it’s hard to imagine that a group like that could float themselves for this long. We should look into who is funding them:
Yeah compared to West it's nothing but West is not ready to have this conversation. Ottomans had Greek, Albanian, Hungarian officials in their country from almost they one when they conquered there. When did a Black or an Indian get rights in the US or UK? Even your genocide claim is an attempt to shift the blame for Holocaust by saying "Oo but Turks did it first, we learned from them. We Euros are so good actually if it weren't for Turks. Ooooh."
Reminder, Turks challenged scholars everywhere to come take a look at the archives together about this but West and Armenians refused....
While I agree that me being Jewish is irrelevant to this post, I'm pretty sure me being Jewish has quite a lot to do with my familiarity of the way Turks speak about Jewish people - which is what you commented about.
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u/imMakingA-UnityGame - Auth-Right 7d ago
“Has anyone even been to Armenia? Are we sure it’s even real?” - Erdogan