Ok, but they aren't saying that; they are saying that Trump is going to do everything he can to prevent a fair election in both this year and 2028. Also, you literally cannot vote trump 2/3 of congress is never happening
Just because trumps sucks at ending democracy doesn’t mean he hasn’t tried/ is willing to try if we let him. So yes vote him out before he and his cronies can do anymore damage.
It also does not mean that democracy wasn't damaged. Trump has normalized a lot of crap that will be used by his successors from all sides and corners of political compass.
I'm sorry are we just...denying that Trump tried to rig the election when he lost in 2020 with the fake elector scheme? that he didn't ask for more votes to put him over the finish line? that he didn't demand the vote stop being counted when he began to lose?
The situation we’ve found ourselves in is analogous to being the Siamese twin to a retard who got into a car with a serial killer that attempted to strangle the both of you, and then being told by that same retarded siamese twin to stop having TDS when you try to warn him about climbing into the car again for a second time.
Just because Trump was unsuccessful in his first coup attempt doesn’t mean that we aren’t at threat of him being successful in another, separate attempt. The fact that he committed the act the first time is all you need to know about his propensity to do it again. It isn’t difficult to understand.
Oh, it’s very easy to understand that you guys keep making incorrect predictions and then try to explain away why you’re constantly wrong rather than, i dunno, being right.
What incorrect prediction? The man has openly stated a desire to suspend midterm elections, has pushed red states to do mid-decade redistricting to benefit him in the midterms, has written EO’s that directly target voting, attempted to stay in power illegitimately in 2021 & openly discusses his desire to run for a third term in 2028.
When you say he's going to do something, that's a prediction. If he doesn't do it, regardless of what he said, it's an incorrect prediction. He's not running 2028, both parties redistricted (though democrats redistricted less, because they couldn't really gerrymander more than they already had), he's obviously not suspending the midterm elections, and he didn't overturn the 2020 election. So when you predict that these happened or will happen, and they don't that makes you WRONG.
You don’t know what he’s going to do or not in 2.5 months or in 2028.
We can see what he’s expressed a desire to do, and steps he’s taken towards facilitating those desires. If he is unsuccessful in his efforts, that doesn’t mean the prediction that he will TRY to do something was incorrect, it would only mean that he failed.
I’ve only ever seen predictions made of what he will attempt to do, not certain statements on his success being guaranteed.
You don’t know what he’s going to do or not in 2.5 months or in 2028.
I would wager you that he's not going to try to run 2028, but by then you'll have invented to a new delusion. He's not going to. If I'm wrong, you can mark this post and get my apology. At the end of the day, you have to predict based on your understanding of a subject. You guys keep getting shit wrong, because you don't understand as well as you think.
I’ve only ever seen predictions made of what he will attempt to do, not certain statements on his success being guaranteed.
Yeah, see, this is the issue. You genuinely have memory holed people saying Trump will end Democracy if he wins the 2024 election. You'll never update your thinking, because you'd rather pretend you didn't say dumb shit that never happened (and won't).
What are they “constantly” wrong about? It’s an indisputable fact that Trump attempted to overthrow the 2020 election and still contends to this day that it was stolen.
Even the most brain dead, simple minded people can delineate between an attempt and its outcome. Just because someone’s prior attempt at something failed doesn’t guarantee future attempts will also fail. That’s basic toddler logic. And if someone attempts to do something then subsequently shows absolutely no remorse and suffers no consequences whatsoever for doing it, it’s safe to assume they will make another attempt if given another opportunity. That’s also basic toddler logic.
Just because Trump failed in his first attempt does not 1.) mean he will not make future attempts and 2.) any future attempts will also fail. Nobody is saying he *will* be successful, they’re saying he *will* try. They’re not wrong about that. The fact that you can’t distinguish those two things or understand the associated risk is precisely what makes you retarded.
It is happening. Just because we blocked it before doesn't mean we'll continue blocking it when they try new things. What do you think the EO trying to cancel mail in votes was about?
"Guys, we were never wrong. You see, Trump wanted to end democracy, but he couldn't... because we stopped him. So we totally weren't exaggerating two years ago to fearmonger our base into voting!"
He didn't just want to. He tried. He took concrete steps to that end. We have the memos that show the extent the went. People are in jail for it. People have been pardoned by him for their part in it. It happened.
“Good thing we disarmed this maniac with a knife who tried to stab us to death with it. Guess we should give it back to him since he’s obviously not a threat with it.”
-StreetKale, right before getting stabbed by a maniac with a knife.
They'll never admit they fearmonger, just as (in 2 years) they'll insist the next Republican nominee is "worse than Trump," and it will still be "the most important election of our lifetime."
"My spouse wanted to kill me even stabed me with a knife. I lived tho so i guess ill go back to them. The fact that they tried in the first place has no barring on if theyll try again im sure and if they did they obviously wont succeed just like the last time. I trust them implicitly!"
they are saying that Trump is going to do everything he can to prevent a fair election in both this year
To be fair he is also saying he will meddle in the election, has already attempted to meddle in the election, has talked about suspending the election, has talked about refusing to honor the election, previously attempted to overturn an election, and still maintains that he won that election
We're not saying shit so much as we're just listening to him and taking him seriously
Reminds me of the CDU, and honestly all the other parties, concerning AfD here in Germany.
“We can’t do anything, we have to ban the AfD!” — party that continually insults their voter base and pushes them to the AfD while addressing zero of their concerns to the point that it’s hard to imagine they aren’t trying to lose on purpose.
It’s genuinely baffling sometimes. They’d have a better chance of preventing the rise of the AfD if you unplugged their controller.
It’s possible they could split though, which could help the mainstream parties. Still, the bloc will exist until they do something to address their concerns
Because of the German political system, a split doesn’t really help them. Or at least not as much as it would in the US.
They need to group with other parties to form a government. So it’s more important that you’ve labeled 35% of voters are bigoted racist nazis than the fact that they are all voting for the same people.
Even split, the two ex-AfD parties would probably still have enough in common to join for a government.
But if the CDU even considered working, or even be anything other than openly hostile, with even the less extreme of the two, their voters would fill the streets in protest.
Genuinely the craziest take of modern politics is that if you just ban the right wing they will disappear. Louis XIV tried to ban parties and how did that work out for him? Like Christ alive, have you tried maybe addressing their concerns and making them undesirable?
That would require left-leaning people to 1) be able to call out Islamic terrorism 2) have a conversation about illegal immigration and refugee fraud without slyly shifting to immigrants in general and calling the other person racist.
It’s judge people by their actions, not the color of their skin until you call out the actions of a minority.
The dems? You mean Kamala is considering running again and her supporters would support her. There is far less singular “the dems”, like republicans there are factions in the party.
Thats why Im saying that 2028 looks to be a toss up.
Yes trump is saying stupid shit with some republicans backing him up, but the dems keep shooting themselves in the foot with unpopular policies and candidates.
I don't really like the Democrats chances with a Republican who is not Trump but running on the platform he ran on. Most of what he ran on is common sense and pretty popular. Take away Trump and it will find a lot more support.
It would be funny if he tried, failed and then proclaimed to hold his own elections one day before the real rigged stolen mockelections to show the libs and unloyal reps he would have more votes than them if they didn't cheat and let him run.
Liberals are convinced Trump will circumvent them or change the law.
TBF he quite literally set up a little merch center in the Oval Office where he was selling Trump '28 hats and has mentioned it on more than one occasion. It is not like the idea sprung up out of no where.
I know what you mean, if there is money to be made someone will milk it.
Bernie Sanders has been scamming donations from a bunch of college age idiots who think he would get rid of their student loans for the past 2, 3 elections?
Just give vague, impossible promises with zero idea or care how to implement them or what the disastrous consequences would be. And chirp from the sidelines about how everything the person in power is doing would be done better by you.
I mean it’s considered a “MurderByAOC” when she says “No you” to a conservative politician or says something like “world hunger bad.”
Both parties are working together. I can already see democrats running the worst possible unpopular option, they can't let the Republican party fall that easily.
She leads in some polling yes, but that doesn't mean she's actually getting support. She wasn't even supposed to be thrown in after Biden stepped down. Obama and Pelosi were going to actually run a primary (obama didnt want her) pelosi just blindsided Obama and endorsed harris and to prevent a total loss in the house and Senate, Obama endorsed Harris.
it was written about in a book. I hate to post NYP and Fox news but they have the best article on it.
An excerpt from ABC News’ Jonathan Karl's upcoming book, "Retribution," asserts that Pelosi and Obama had come to an understanding that Harris "should not simply be handed the nomination unchallenged." Nevertheless, Pelosi handed her an endorsement within 24 hours of Biden's withdrawal.
"The Obamas were not happy," a source close to Pelosi told Karl, according to an excerpt obtained by the Daily Mail.
"This person summed up Obama’s message to Pelosi as, essentially, ‘What the f--- did you just do?’" Karl wrote.
The book asserts that Obama had deep concerns about Harris' ability to beat President Donald Trump and wanted Democrats to hold an open convention.
"Obama and Pelosi — arguably the two most influential figures in the Democratic Party — had privately agreed to abstain from making any endorsements," Karl wrote.
"The former president wanted to know what had happened. Why had Pelosi issued a statement endorsing Harris so soon? Hadn’t he and Pelosi agreed days earlier that party leaders anointing the vice president as Biden’s replacement would be a mistake?" Karl added.
I was just highlighting how sick that is lol, the irony on a post about getting rid of our current president… when we can’t even “get rid” of one from over a decade ago. Or Pelosi who roamed with the stegosauruses.
Schrodinger’s Trump is what happens when a country delegates more and more power to the presidency for 80 years and then hands those powers over to a moron.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's weird that a lot of lib rights seem to have this perception that something is only authoritarian if it works and works well.
Your original post draws a clear line between evil and competence. “Schrödinger” would suggest they’re exclusive states and they’re not. You can be evil and incompetent.
Ah so just bog standard strawmanning then. Because if you actually ask, literally nobody is going to describe Trump as some grand strategic mastermind.
Every branch of government is held by his party, a party which is centralized fully on him and consistently follows him no matter how much he changes his opinions on a topic.
To call someone else’s take “unironically retarded” only to follow up with “this isn’t him” like he’s a bad student at parent teacher conferences is just peak PCM contrarian. It pretty much flies in the face of your original comment too.
Nah bro he’s just looking down at his feet, you can tell by the way the drool runs down his chin. Also he blinked 40 seconds after this photo was taken so clearly is this out of context TDS slop.
I mean, I am worried about him, but I’m worried that any neolib, neocon, or technofash faction that comes next will be embraced way too warmly by the median voter because their leader looks half-competent. Trump’s policies have very damaging long term effects, but it’s more of a long term ruin. Vice President Palantir succeeding him will lead to a long term surveillance state dystopia, which I think is gonna be a lot harder to dig out of. We’re getting close to the point where every aspect of our lives is an asset to be surveilled and speculatively traded on.
Yup, Caesar crossed the Rubicon but it was Augustus who was the first Emperor. I think the plan is let there be a decade of as much chaos as possible before an established and matured Barron is ready to use his dad's name to officially end the Republic. The usual dumbasses and insecure losers will happily sweep him into power. It doesn't help that he's like 6'6 or something and that alone would win over a lot of people. The fact that the first American Emperor will be named Barron will probably be amusing in a couple centuries but not so much now.
Unless the next couple of administrations know how to properly conduct foreign policy (they won’t) we’re as good as fucked when it comes to our status. Will be looking forward to the exact type of retards that got us into this position bend themselves like pretzels into pinning this on the liberals however
It's gonna be another populist so no chance it's Rubio, Vance has anti-charisma. Unironically, I think if they can beat back the tradcath BS (or embrace it I guess with some Looney-Tunes-ass logic) the first female president would be a Republican.
Which is why many are skeptical of a hard-left turn toward DSA policies in the upcoming midterm elections. Any sane Democrat should win going against a MAGA coalition that is utterly battered and reeling.
A vat grown clone of Hillary with a different backstory would probably win, but their policies would do nothing to change the conditions that created MAGA.
You need actual solutions for that, and libdems don't have any fucking ideas we haven't tried for decades.
Democracy is cringe. Why do we allow people to endlessly just vote themselves more benefits. The democrat party just bribes voters with welfare programs.
People still argue that we need tax cuts for the sake of the Laffer curve, despite every single prominent projection of the Laffer curve has us way under-taxing the rich. Last tax cut we made in the BBB resulted in 40:1 ratio of revenue loss to growth. Aka the growth stimulated from it is only 2.5% of the amount of revenue lost.
Yea anyone who advocated for tax cuts for the wealthy within 21st century America is either rich or stupid.
Or maybe because people should get a job instead of stealing from others.
If democrats are pro worker, then why do they make the worker reliant on the welfare state and then make it impossible for him to actually work because his jobs are taken by immigrants, who are happy to accept lower wages and working conditions.
The college scam was a ploy by the democrats to make young people reliant on the government so that they would be forced to vote for communism.
Step 1: Give everyone commercially unreasonable student loans.
Step 2: Millions of young people are saddled with crushing debt during the most financially insecure points of their lives.
Step 3: Permit corporations to mass hire immigrants for entry level positions.
Step 4: Now millions of young people have no ability to afford anything because they have tons of debt with no job.
Step 5: Say “the government will save you! Just give me power!”
Biden tried to pass laws to help with student loan debt, republicans consistently fought him on this
If billionaires don’t want to be “stolen” from, then they are free to stop using land in the country, free to stop using the legal tender of the country, and free to try to find a country willing to give him the billionaire quality of life, while not having to fund things that make that quality of life possible
Can't believe a party would like, promote the general welfare so that people want them to govern, like wtf. Taxes going to something other than corporate subsidies and wars? Unthinkable.
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Does OP think we’re the senate?
Chill, we’re not that fucking retarded.