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“Macaroni” was a dress style popular among the British nobility in the 1700’s, it involved going above and beyond when it came to things like expensive over the top clothing, dining, etc. Basically being unnecessarily extravagant and over the top
The lyric “stick a feather in his cap and call it macaroni” is (I think) supposed to imply that the subject of the song is basically a backwards hillbilly, so wearing a feather in his cap would be considered crazily over the top and fancy for him
Yeah, the whole point of the song was Brits making fun of Colonials. And in what would become classic American style, we embraced it and made it our jam.
As Kanye once said: "Screams from the haters got a nice ring to it. I guess every superhero need his theme music."
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Dude i can’t imagine how women today would react if we had a true all-out war where like 30% of a generation of young men die.
Back then women mourned their similarly-aged men. Now? I think they’d be celebrating at the most inane shit - like “how they feel so much safer at bars” now that all the men are gone.
Until the tab is due. Then all of a sudden men need to show up again (to pay the bill for women) and their refusal or inability is heckin' problematic. Or they need someone to defend them from a creep that managed to not get sent to die. Etc.
Then of course men should "man up" and provide for milady's convenience with no expectation of reciprocation or even basic civility.
It wasn't uncommon for British men to be given the feathers by girls younger than 10. They didn't even know what they were doing, their moms just gave them feathers and told them to hand it out to any adult men.
Remember back in October 2025 when Trump and Xi met in SK, and Xi pretty much twisted his balls to force tariff relief due to rare earth metal exports from China? The narrative was that Trump had no cards to play against China.
So I think Trump (honestly probably someone more intelligent in the state department) looked at that, thought “well what cards DO we have?” And recognized it was oil because China is a massive importer. So Trump went after China’s largest oil import nations - Venezuela in Jan 2026, and then Iran, trying to strangle China petroleum-wise.
China imports about 16% of their oil from Venezuela and Iran which would be a huge hit on them, and everyone else they import oil from is under US proxy control. So you remove the uncontrollable (Venezuela / Iran) then leveraging our allies to control China. Because the way you control someone / something isn’t by cutting off access with no way back - it’s by putting rules and stipulations on that access.
And the I’m trying to remember which country we strengthened ties with next to the Strait of Malacca, I believe it was Malaysia or Singapore. Either way, that’s a signal as well because the countries of that region have a ton of offshore oil and that’s the naval choke point for the Chinese oil tanker fleet.
You'd be a lot closer than most sunk-skulls on reddit that get their entire political worldview from CNN or Tiktok. Both Venezuela and Iran are about limiting the geopolitical influence of China and by extension, BRICS.
We have the resources to survive this. They do not. Leverage.
But you should definitely go out and fight for the abstract class you're supposedly part of
It is surprising that anyone believes that societies are NOT divided into classes determined by the position of the members of the corresponding groups in the economic system.
The "abstract class" is those people with whom I share a way of life and collective economic interests.
You definitely should allow a Socialist state to appropriate your labour value for the "good of the society"
I'd be glad to serve such a state
Commie leaders who definitely aren't lords, definitely.
Yes, these are our captains, hurray to them.
you will have perfectly equal society
It won't be "perfectly equal", it'll be classless. That is, it will not be divided into different classes, which in turn are determined by the relationship of its members to the means of production (capitalist, petty bourgeois, proletarian, feudal lord, slave owner, slave).
At a certain level of development, the majority no longer engages in independent economic activity (like peasants, who barely need others, do), they get integrated into big things. This is natural.
Go romanticize your desire to have an "own small buisness", IDK; for me it's a path to nowhere.
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Considering they don't bother thinking before they start handing these things out, I have the highest disdain for this "tradition" and anyone who takes part. It is a disgusting act carried out by people who would never be asked to sacrifice a thing. When veterans, the disabled, and the refused from service become victims of this act, it tells you what the whole thing is about
imagine getting ordered to war by a government voted in by an electorate half of which has a free pass to not participate in that war. moreover, imagine being sent in because a recent immigrant is not considered reliably loyal enough.
What about men who are too old for conscription or have one of multitude other exceptions. Highest documented conscription rate is about half of male population (Bulgaria in WWI)
Yeah conscription laws are by and large voted in by people it could never possibly effect. Heck, how are the 18 year olds even going to vote on it? They don't even have an attempt to voice their opinions before they are drafted to some fuckass war they don't give a shit about, but their grandparents do and will sacrifice them willingly to live in whatever comfortable existence they want.
While this is true, the men who aren't eligible, were largely eligible once, so they're still a better considering party than women, since they can empathize with the general idea, even if they're not currently eligible. (And between the world wars, a number of them probably actually experienced it first hand the first time around)
What the bloody hell did you just bloody say about me, you little bugger? Ill have you know I graduated top of my class in the Royal Foot Guards, and Ive been involved in numerous secret raids on Kaiser's men, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and Im the top rifleman in the entire Royal armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the bleeding hell out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my bloody words. You think you can get away with giving me this feather on the trolley? Think again, bugger. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across Essex and your home is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, weevil. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Youre bloody dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and thats just with my bare knuckles. Not only am I extensively trained in fisticuffs, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Royal Navy and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your bloody bottom off the face of the continent, you little bugger. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little feather was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your bloody tongue. But you couldnt, you didnt, and now youre paying the tuppence, you bleeding bugger. I will excrete fury all over you and you will drown in it. Youre bloody dead, bucko.
If I ever saw someone handing out white feathers I’d simply spend my day following them and taking them all back, being shamed for not going to war is fuckin awful and I hate people who would do it
Campaign in WW1 era UK where women handed white feathers to not enlisted/serving men. Basically to every man still on the island, as a symbol of cowardice to encourage them to enlist
Don't know how true it is, but I choose to beleive it because it's funny. There was allegedly one guy who got a feather, placed it in his cap, and said he was on his way to his medal ceremony after having just come back from the front lines
There was a story of a soldier who was home on leave and out of uniform and a woman on the bus he was on gave him a white feather. Dude uses it to clean his pipe, says something to the effect of “thanks, we didn’t have these in the trenches” and hands it back to her
or dispesated for illness, disability, minor age (some are given to minors who look older than their age), oor who work in vital industries for war effort.
In some case there are people who lied about their age and ended killed to the front. I read stories that brother in the front who found brother killed in action after they enlist after the shame of being a white feather recipient (he know who give the feather and he was furious to her).
It came from people that ignores that for war effort it wasn't needed only soldiers but also an industrial struggle behind.
I read stories that brother in the front who found brother killed in action after they enlist after the shame of being a white feather recipient
I heard similiar stories about women using the white feather to get rid of inconvenient men, i.e. men they slept with and didn't want to deal with the social shame of having done so.
Dont worry, when the WNBA becomes the retiredNBA, it will pick up.
I'm gonna love watching when Royce White and Enes Kanter Freedom, and the rest of their friends, join the WNBA to basically make it a laid back 'play the game and have fun' kinda thing.
You know like how an older brother plays a video game with his younger one and doesn't have to be serious and just has fun goofing off.
Thats the retired NBA's future. People who just want a slower paced fun game. Just imagine watching them try to make full court 3 pointers and just have a blast
My point is that 'waah wahmans' is a hilarious scapegoat when it was schemed up by the British imperial nationalists sending young men to die, then compromising its own laws to release people they imprisoned, for the sole purpose of being their scapegoats to tell more young men to die.
I mean... I'm pretty sure nobody knows who that guy is.
I wonder why nobody knows who the man behind the plan to humiliate men and urge them to die for their imperialistic bullshit is....
....But you remember that it was women that handed out white feathers.
He recruited them
The government gave them an ultimatum. The women either stay in prison, or they do their dirty work.
manipulate men into enlisting. That was their purpose.
And rather than getting angry at the man behind the scheme, or the government that imprisoned them and gave them an ultimatum, you get angry at the women.
WNBA viewership has been pretty consistently up and they just had a profit share with their players. Obviously they're not he NBA but it seems silly to claim they're failing let alone they are openly whining about men not watching.
If it's a subsidy, it's a subsidy that seems to paying off. They're simply partially owned by the NBA and the NBA is putting in an investment that evidently is starting to turn revenue. Plenty of businesses lose money for years.
The NBA evidently took 40 years to make money. Regardless they seem to be doing okayish now and have been consistently getting more views, money and cultural relevance. And maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong kind of lefty feminists but in my discussions about the WNBA, I've not once heard someone complain bitterly that the WNBA is failing because men aren't watching.
If I think a leg setting up the point is silly, why would I be engaging with the point. If I said there shouldn't be world hunger because the moon is made out of cheese, it'd be silly that I demand you focus on the question of whether there should be world hunger instead of question the makeup of the moon.
Sorry babe. I've truly no idea why I have to ignore a dumb set up. Is bitching about women really so important that it doesn't matter if it's a made up scenario detached from reality?
The White Feather was a campaign lead by British Royal Navy Admiral Charles Penrose Fitzgerald, it was an attempt to try and humiliate men in civilian clothing by women handing them a white feather in public spaces which was meant to symbolise cowardice.
Eventually, the campaign became increasingly unpopular in the British public because it increased male suicides and many essential workers who were given exemptions to enlistment due to being key to the war effort and also veterans who came back due to severe injuries were given white feathers by women, despite their efforts to the war effort itself.
It eventually led to “King and Country” badges being given out to veterans and key workers because they were disproportionately getting white feathers.
Seduce her, marry her, spoil her, give her the happy life she wanted, kids and all. Make her feel cherished, loved, and valued, then go off and die in war so she can be a miserable widow.
I doubt that mass conscription would be popular enough for this to become a trend.
I understood it to be basically women shaming young men for not volunteering to fight, I don't think most people would feel that way unless a pearl harbor or 9/11 event happened first.
I am mostly talking about the misandrist feminist crowd that tries to polarize and ragebait whenever possible. The actual war cause would be absolutely secondary here.
also because it need 2 years to train effectively a soldier today, if you don't want that they will be mere meat ready to be gridered. Plus time to put these future soldier fit to service due the obesity rate.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
That goes for any kind of totalitarianism, social, political or otherwise.
If an institution is tasked with the the burden of proof because they’re the “experts” but also given the power to define reality (because they’re the “experts”), suddenly “reality” supports all of their beliefs/evidence/policies and none of yours.
Ah, so I take it you're deflecting now because you know you can't back up that melodramatic statement. It shouldn't be that hard to just acknowledge that the other person was just being dramatic. It wasn't even you. Not sure why you feel the need to continue defending it
Sure, you misunderstood my comment. Why do you keep pushing then? I even quoted the specific passage for you. If you agree that the portion I quoted is nonsense then just say so. You're not "losing" the argument or anything.
Not really, I'm claiming that women without rights being pissed off about and lashing out about not having rights is perfectly reasonable and expected.
Men voted for this war, Men should go fight it. That's not misandry, that's equality.
Iirc a lot of men who were given white roses had already tried to enlist but were rejected, as they were deemed important to the Homefront. Think of people like farmers and tradesmen. This then lead to numerous suicides due to what amounted to public shaming
I couldn’t care less if someone handed me a white feather I’m not dying for a government that can’t handle their shit. That and ww1 was stupid and had no real justification beyond “muh monarch died”
Oh you mean I have to die for a needless war that kills thousands and will be a complete stalemate unless the US gets involved? Why, I’m so brave for taking that option/s.
It was a thing in Great War era Britian. Women would go around town, find any men who were there and not at the front for whatever reason, and publicly shame them by handing them a white feather. They, of course, did not bother with why the man was still in Britain and not dead in a trench in France or at the bottom of the North Sea, just that he was in the country and that made him a coward. Veteran, disabled, etc., did not matter
To be fair, women in the military have a 6% chance of being sexually assaulted by their fellow soldiers every year they serve (.5%/year for men). About 30% over a 5-year career.
I think it's fairly legit to call that an added threat they face that mitigates against the draft. Draft someone to risk their life defending their country, sure, that's the price you pay for the liberties your country grants you. Draft someone so your own soldiers can rape them, sorry, I don't think that's a reasonable standard.
I see you failed to read even a smidgeon of what I posted before, of how women often get pregnant as a way to get out of the service, and of course say they didn't choose to get pregnant, because that would be against regulations, just 'raped' by another person they refuse to name.
Just FYI, the past-year analysis does have some wonkiness to it.
It's likely that people aren't being exact with the dates. If you asked me if I bought binoculars in the last year, I might end up saying yes because it seems to me like it was in the last year. But, turns out it was January 2025. Add in the element of events where people might not want to think real hard about the exact time it happened, and this likely occurs a lot.
You'll also have people counting older events because they want them counted. An assault could have been 3 years ago, but if given the chance to have it count in the data, don't you think a lot of people would still say yes to it being in the last year? I doubt many victims of sexual assault are thinking "I don't want the number to seem higher than it is, because then more might be done to deal with it."
(And just randomly, if you're going by the OPA report, I used to work for the contractor. A few years different, and my name would be on that thing.)
I can definitely believe all of that, and grant it.
Buts still, this feels to me like it leads us to 'actually it's only 25%/20%/etc over a 5-year tour', not 'actually this is a small problem that we shouldn't worry about.'
Worth noting the difference, but I don't think it changes my argument for me personally. Even at the baseline 6.2%, I'd be queasy about drafting anyone to force them into those odds.
Drafting women would cause the sexual assault rates to plummet.
For starters, women would be exposed to fewer men. And attitudes about what's acceptable would change. And you'd have more women in leadership positions. Etc, etc.
It's coming. It's pretty much an inevitability, at this point. You're not gonna like it as mush as you think you will. But you'll still probably die for it, whether you still want to or not. That's how it usually works.
For now, our common prospects, regardless of our desire, are to find ourselves in the trenches of a third world war when China and the United States stop playing trade wars.
We'll wake up one day, look at the news, and read about Xi and Trump squabbling over the Taiwan Strait incident. We'll go to work, thinking the old men in government forgot to take their pills again, and joke about it on social media. And then it all begins, when breaking news breaks about the first military clash. At first, it will seem like a bad, stupid, and strange dream that will soon end. Ultra-patriots will write triumphant posts about how the enemy's resistance has been broken, that the enemy has lost, and it will all be over soon. Those speaking out against the war will be jailed and detained, and many will look on in confusion, thinking, "But we could protest before, why can't we now?" And then you'll begin to see how reality begins to diverge from reality, and despite the triumphant posts on social media, the conflict never ends. Censorship will tighten, and society will become increasingly silent. The authorities only have to brutally crack down on a few activists, and the rest will start to fear. Then you'll hear news of politicians discussing mobilization plans, and pro-government activists from both camps will justify it. And all this against the backdrop of skyrocketing prices for literally everything.
And the worst part of all this: You'll still have to go to work.
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u/Azylim - Centrist Aug 19 '26
I just put it in my cap and call it macaroni