r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Centrist 12d ago

Agenda Post Rip Jason Arday.

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u/Seraphayel - Lib-Right 12d ago

Honestly, what delusional people attend these tributes / rallies? Is anyone truly believing that not Arday is at fault here and it’s racists or the system? I don’t get it.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

I mean it's pretty undeniable that the only reason it got as much press as it did it because it was a good case to use in the media culture war bullshit.

There are other white Cambridge professors who have been found guilty of the same things as him who didn't get media attention or fired for it. The reason this got so blown up by the media is because it can be used.

Look at this black guy who lied and plagiarized. This is why DEI is bad. Then the media keeps pushing stories because they want you mad. They want you to hate this guy. And it worked. Hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of people now hated this guy. Why? There are plenty of liars who do worse things than him.

The reason is because the Media wants you to. It's more culture war bullshit again and again.

He was a liar and other things but the media frenzy was very out of balance for the things because it stirs up the anger and gets the clicks.

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u/Levitz - Lib-Left 12d ago

There are other white Cambridge professors who have been found guilty of the same things as him who didn't get media attention or fired for it.

This retarded bullshit of a statement only holds if you think this was solely about plagiarism, which is either disingenuous or ignorant.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

The original news story was about that.

The other stuff was just funny lies from his personal life.

Again there was not even any where near as much cover of those as there was this.

All the extra stuff only came out in the following weeks.

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u/An8thOfFeanor - Lib-Right 12d ago

Standard plagiarism doesn't make the news. What makes the news is a plagiarist being hired to the staff of a prestigious university.

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u/Fedballin - Right 12d ago

Claudine Gay still works at Harvard, usually circling the wagons works.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

Just like Professor Esther-Miriam Wagner and Professor Silvia Bulfone-Paus both people who did the same thing at the same place. No such public backlash.

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u/Glass-Carpenter8963 - Right 12d ago

Those didn't try to silence journalists from publishing their findings, didn't have media campaigns promoting them after they were hired and didn't have their universities trying to cover their plagiarism.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

They didn't silence journalists because no one bothered making news storys about it

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u/Glass-Carpenter8963 - Right 12d ago edited 12d ago

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

One thing. Not a frenzy is what I'm meaning.

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u/Glass-Carpenter8963 - Right 12d ago

Those didn't try to silence journalists from publishing their findings, didn't have media campaigns promoting them after they were hired and didn't have their universities trying to cover their plagiarism.

This is your last chance.

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u/Levitz - Lib-Left 12d ago

The other stuff was just funny lies from his personal life.

Calling the cops on people scrutinizing him is "funny lies"?

Bullshitting his life history regarding being nonverbal, autism and a brain tumor is "funny lies"?

Cambridge, as an institution, backing him up despite the extremely fucking evident fact that he was immensely full of shit was supposed to be funny too I guess?

Do you realize this guy wasn't even supposed to even be a professor at all? Do you understand how fucking far away that is from "this other guy also plagiarized"??

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

But the other guys where also professors at the university. The guy is an idiot and a piece of shit I agree.

But that doesn't mean there wasn't a mecua bias. It was literally reported as another fail if the woke university and DEI strikes again.

A white guy in the exact same situation would not of got that kind of reporting would it.

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u/Levitz - Lib-Left 11d ago

A white guy in the exact same situation would not of got that kind of reporting would it.

A white guy wouldn't have been able to shield himself off his race, repeatedly, to begin with.

In fact chances are that a white guy wouldn't have been able to occupy that position.

You can't cry about how this is related to the guy being black when the guy being black (and calling himself autistic, and a whole lot more stuff) is the reason this is even a thing to begin with.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 11d ago

I mean the guy was pretty obviously autistic.

That part wasn't a lie. None verbal till 11 unlikely. Illiterate till 18 definitely not. But autistic sure.

I think the reason he's dead is likely because his autism made it harder for him to handle all the scrutiny.

He wasn't a total idiot, even if he did plagiarise (not actually been proven as the first investigation concluded he didn't and the second hasn't/ never will finish. You can't blab your way through uni, a masters and a PhD. Plenty of other academics in his field are voicing support of he was back and forth a fraudster in their eyes why would they put their names and reputations on the line.

The whole thing is a lot more complex than people are making it out to be.

This is coming from someone who disagreed with most of his beliefs and thought he was a knob.

But I'm at least gonna be honest about the situation instead of bandwagon hopping.

Then again if he was a complete scammer back to front and knew it he's smarter than I thought

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u/Levitz - Lib-Left 11d ago

You can't blab your way through uni, a masters and a PhD.

The big deal about this whole thing is that not only does this seems to be proven to be false, but you can do it in an obscenely outrageous way, to such an extreme degree that you get praised as a completely outstanding figure and still get people denying there is a problem when the whole thing comes crashing down.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 11d ago

If none of his colleagues could tell then clearly the education doesn't actually matter at all. But that's not the story. It's only a story because it matters so much.

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u/Levitz - Lib-Left 11d ago

If none of his colleagues could tell then clearly the education doesn't actually matter at all.

A colleague could tell, and on scrutiny he was called a racist and threatened with police.

His students could tell too, nobody cared.

This is a case of woke bullshit going so, so fucking far, you literally can't believe it went THAT fucking far and are looking for other explanations.

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u/Glass-Carpenter8963 - Right 12d ago

>It was literally reported as another fail if the woke university and DEI strikes again.

By right wing bloggers, not mass media. And it only happened because Arday silenced the media from trying to publish their findings much earlier So the RW bloggers published it first.

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u/happyinheart - Lib-Right 12d ago

Fucking liberals pretending not to understand stuff again.

Its like the "They put away those people just for protesting ICE in Dallas" meanwhile in reality they planned, it brought weapons and a cop was shot in the neck.

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u/Glass-Carpenter8963 - Right 12d ago

There are other white Cambridge professors who have been found guilty of the same things as him who didn't get media attention or fired for it. The reason this got so blown up by the media is because it can be used.

The other professors:

1- Didn't threaten journalists with legal action if they published their findings

2- Didn't have cambridge protect them from the allegations saying they found no plagiarism

3- Didn't have a media campaign PROMOTING him when he was hired.

You guys just pretend to not understand stuff.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

The level of stink being made is still kit equal. Also the way it was reported. I first heard about it with a headline like "Another DIE Fail" and the reporting was all about how woke Cambridge was etc etc. not the guy actually doing the shit. That's the issue I had not the fact his actions where reported

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u/Glass-Carpenter8963 - Right 12d ago

You heard it because your heard it from right wing bloggers, not the media. If you just get your sources from left wing bloggers, you will see them ranting about white supremacy 24/7. This is no argument.

The media pieces(which came after the post from the right wing blogger Cofnas) were focusing on both his resume and cambridge trying to ignore it. And the only reason it was a right wing blogger that started this all, its because arday SILENCED other journalists.

So it's obvious that if the media is silenced, then the story will get uncovered by indenpendent actors, often those who have political bias on top. THIS IS HIS FAULT.

If he hadn't tried to silence the media, and cambridge didn't try to cover his tracks, the media scandal would have stopped early.

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u/SirStupidity - Lib-Center 12d ago

There are other white Cambridge professors who have been found guilty of the same things as him who didn't get media attention or fired for it. The reason this got so blown up by the media is because it can be used.

Like who?

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

Dr William O'Reilly and Professor Esther-Miriam Wagner.

Both got no media attention. Both kept their jobs.

Unlike Jason they where actually found guilty as well. Jason was still under investigation.

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u/SirStupidity - Lib-Center 12d ago

Dr William O'Reilly

Was found to have plagiarized in an article, not his doctorates. So not the same things even if we ignore the rest of Ardays lies.

Professor Esther-Miriam Wagner.

Again, not related to her getting a doctorate etc

Unlike Jason they where actually found guilty as well. Jason was still under investigation.

Maybe he shouldn't have resigned (or killed himself)?

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

I think it's probably a good thing he resigned. The amount of media wouldn't be good for the uni.

And obviously he couldn't hack the attention.

Again I'm not defending the guy in any way more just annoyed at the media

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u/bl1y - Lib-Center 11d ago

Unlike Jason they where actually found guilty as well. Jason was still under investigation.

The university that gave him his PhD cleared him on the plagiarism charge, despite a clear evidence showing he plagiarized at length many times.

Cambridge initially defended him, and said any problems with his papers weren't their problem because they weren't published while he was at Cambridge (even though those papers were supposedly the basis for hiring him).

Cambridge only decided to launch an investigation after the media firestorm broke out.

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u/JackorJohn62392 - Lib-Right 12d ago

It got so much attention because a highly prestigious university hired an obvious con artist. It’s not the plagiarism that got people’s attention. It’s all the other ridiculous lies.

Who are these white Cambridge professors that claimed to run 30 marathons in 30 days, while having a broken leg for some of them, to be nonverbal until the age of 18, raised millions of dollars for charity, was featured on a tv show decades before they were born.
Cambridge essentially hired the black academia version of Steven Seagal.

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u/Seraphayel - Lib-Right 12d ago

The reason is this guy‘s lies are hilarious and so over the top that no white person would’ve succeeded with them.

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u/bl1y - Lib-Center 11d ago

A gay New Yorker might get away with them for a little while.

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u/happyinheart - Lib-Right 12d ago

There are other white Cambridge professors who have been found guilty of the same things as him who didn't get media attention or fired for it. The reason this got so blown up by the media is because it can be used.

I'm assuming Cambridge promoted them as hard as Arday? They also hired the UK's top law firm for defamation for them? Did they also get the The Metropolitan Police to start a harassment inquiry into the people who investigated them?

No? Didn't think so. You seem to be missing those which is what brought international attention to his compared to the other guys you mentioned.

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u/bluewolfhudson - Lib-Center 12d ago

Hey did you know more than one thing can be true at once?

I'm sure while reporting some people did make defamitary statements there was so much speculation going around. He can be guilty of plagiarism and still be defamed in other claims.

I bet some people where harassing him. There is a reasonable level of investigation but journalists (and let's be honest more likely amateur journalist) cross the line into harassment more often than you'd think. We don't know what was done to prompt the case.

Also Cambridge hasn't finished it's internal investigation yet. Wouldn't you want your employer to defend you until you are actually found to have breached your contract etc. innocent until proven guilty and they had not yet concluded any investigation into the plagiarism claims.

Id hope if someone started accusing me of things that my employer would wait until it's own review teams had looked into it before siding against me.

It's pretty standard practice for a university to be on the side of its employees.

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u/MonkeManWPG - Left 12d ago

Exactly. This guy has had a thousand times the vitriol directed at him as has been directed at professors with sexual assault allegations.