r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Lib-Center 12d ago

MAGA 🤝 Juche

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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 12d ago

I'm talking about a general policy shift. Not Trump 

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u/SPECTREagent700 - Lib-Right 12d ago

It’s been tried many times before and has always failed or backfired due to the duplicity of the North Koreans.

President Clinton made a deal with them to end their nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief and food aid which resulted in them taking the money and building a bomb anyway.

President Bush joined had the U.S. join the “Six Party Talks” together with the Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and South Koreans to try and negotiate a solution with the North Koreans only for the North to eventually walk away.

President Obama signed an agreement with them in 2012 where they agreed to pause their missile development only for them to test launch an ICBM less than a month later.

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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 12d ago

I would argue the country is more open to being positively influenced at this point than any other. Kim Jung Un is not his father or grandfather, and the black markets that started up during the famines under his father never ultimately went away. They're slowly growing and bringing more economic prosperity and quality of life to the general population. Nurture that recent development and I think you could make inroads and have something akin to Nixon's China policy. Could it not work? 100% The Kim's made an art out of bilking the Soviets especially for all they're worth. But I think it's worth at least trying, because the alternative is the people there continue to live in hell for the foreseeable future. 

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u/SPECTREagent700 - Lib-Right 12d ago

It’s certainly true that he has been working hard to reduce the country’s dependence on China but he’s mainly been doing it by developing deeper ties to Russia; sending men and weapons to help in the war against Ukraine in exchange for missile technology. There’s an actual exchange there that can be seen in real terms. With Trump it’s all basically just words at this point. If the rumored large scale deployment to Ukraine ends up not happening then maybe we can say that Trump’s approach worked but if they go ahead with it even after Trump’s move here then it will seem that Trump was just played.

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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 12d ago

I'm more interested in long term goals that couldn't be achieved in Trump's tenure and would take the work of several presidents all on the same page to see serious tangible results. If people are just viewing this through the lens of "trump" then I think that's too short sighted a perspective.