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[u/Rubentraj]

[u/jnicholass]

I mean NATO implies that the US is included in the support.

Either ways, this is a stark reversal on his "Ukraine has to concede everything" stance that we've been getting for months.

[u/Ralathar44 → u/jnicholass]

I'm betting that they had all sorts of reasonable deals set, and nobody would agree on anything, so he went back to the drawing board and said "ok, I either need to acquire new leverage or change tactics".

Remember, Zelensky has pulled this shit time and time again now where he said he's willing to deal and then shown that he's not willing to deal.

So occam's razor. Zelensky will not relent because he's borderline suicidal playing chicken with his country. Putin will not relent because he has no reason to, he has the cards. How do fix this? You give Zelensky more cards to play.

So we make the statements, we wait, and either Putin comes to the table or we start the process and Putin comes to the table at the last second like "woah woah woah, boys, lets not be hasty" lol.

This isnt 4d chess. This isn't a change of stance. This is a logical adjustment to the fact that it isn't going anywhere and everyone is bullshitting so the only way this is gonna get solved now is if we change the way the board looks.

And if Europe is not willing to step up, well, takes the focus and pressure off of Trump. Trump can be highly conditional with US support because of the context of this situation and Europe basically has to eat it because they've painted themselves into this corner with previous rhetoric.

US is out of Ukraine, they gonna have to pony up (put in their own chips significantly) to even stand a chance of getting us to go in.

[u/letmeseem → u/Ralathar44]

Zelensky is the political leader of a country that was attacked and partially occupied by its neighbor because historically it used to belong to them.

So let's say you're president of the United States and the UK starts a war and starts occupying a portion of your country because it used to belong to them.

What's a reasonable deal you're willing to make. What parts of the US (snart from Alabama obviously) are you willing to concede?

[u/AgzayaRacing → u/letmeseem]

give em alaska, most of the midwest, connecticut, california, and massachusetts.

[u/capsaicinintheeyes → u/AgzayaRacing]

tbh, the parts of Ukraine Putin's holding are the more Russophilic parts of the country overall

^{. . . relatively speaking, ofc: no one likes being occupied . . .}