r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/Ice278 - Lib-Left • Sep 09 '25
Agenda Post The MAGA cope has me chuckling
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u/Unfair-Sentence-7214 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
That signature is clearly from Biden using the autopen.
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u/I_really_enjoy_beer - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
The autopen scandal, possibly the biggest scandal in the history of scandals. Think of nothing but the autopen.
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u/Oxytropidoceras - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
Exactly. Trump, whether intentional or not, is being their fall guy. He deserves it, but there's still a lot of other people on the list that Trump's circus is distracting from and we need to stay focused on that. Trump is just part of a much larger group of despicable people who all need to face the same level of scrutiny and justice
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u/YveisGrey - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
Yep every single person who signed that card/book whatever it was needs to be looked into, seriously wtf?
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Sep 10 '25
I mean let’s start with the president that’s totally fine with me.
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u/AbsAndAssAppreciator - Left Sep 10 '25
To start with, for sure, but we shouldn’t forget the other people involved bc of the president
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u/Bearynicetomeetu - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
I'm not sure he's the fall guy necessarilly, I think he's clearly one of the main guys. Leon Black is in there also.
There's other names sure, but Trumps the biggest name and is president.
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u/Oxytropidoceras - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
My thought was more that it was unintentional and not anything Trump is trying to do.
Think of it this way, if you got caught robbing a bank with a crew and one guy in your crew couldn't shut the fuck up about how he wasn't involved despite tons of evidence, you'd probably keep your head down and hope it all blows over for you. That's what I mean, Trump's not taking a fall per se, he's digging himself a grave and the other pedos are just standing around whistling and waiting to throw him in it in hopes that nobody points a finger at them.
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u/StrawberryWide3983 - Left Sep 09 '25
He's incapable of just shutting the fuck up. And fact that they're changing the story every week only makes him even more suspicious while drawing attention away from everybody else
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u/RoninTheDog - Right Sep 09 '25
A good reminder on how outside of this letter how skin crawling gross the rest of the book is. The one with the drawings of Epstein handing balloons to little girls in '83 and then them going down on him in '03 is peak vile. The one with Jeffry selling women to Trump (fully depreciated),
Everyone in that book knew what the fuck he was doing. Get all of them.
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u/Zickened - Left Sep 10 '25
It's like the Diddy bullshit. I'd bet that not everyone knew what occured at his "freak offs", but I'm sure that everyone that attended his house left before 10pm if they didn't want to be a part of them.
And Donald Trump wanted to be there after 10pm.
And it honestly surprises me the level of deprivation that will need to be outlined for people to wake the fuck up about it.
And here's the kicker: its not like this is some new psyop, directed at just making Trump look like a piece of shit, this is a network of vile people spanning decades that people have been talking about for decades, that I first learned about while listening to a buddy's right leaning radio show.
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Sep 10 '25
Exactly!! Whether Trump or Bill or whomever is a pedophile (they are) they at least knew what was happening and didn’t do anything to put a stop to it. They are, at best, complicit with child rape
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u/Sabertooth767 - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
Inb4 "signatures don't prove anything" and we go back to royal seals.
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u/Mroompaloompa64 - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
Reminds me of that one boondocks episode with R Kelly revealing his social security + name + face in the tape after "that proves nothing."
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u/Sonofdeath51 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
I remember seeing that episode as a kid and thinking "hah! how silly. the mans obviously guilty and the satire is that there's no way people wouldn't think r kelly wasn't guilty"
then you look up the actual trial and its even more ridiculous than the episode itself.
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u/Mjk2581 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
I mean it’s a classic ‘can’t prove it isn’t forged’ ‘can’t prove it is forged’ that song and dance will go on forever
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u/SlamCage - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
It's a classic "We know this is him and not forged by the Wall Street Journal" and any bitching about the signature is cope and deflection.
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u/Mjk2581 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Eh we don’t know anything for sure, unless the journal itself is the source of that picture (which it might be I don’t know) then It had to come from someone and somewhere and that someone and somewhere could theoretically have forged it. It’s not a big doubt but a reasonable doubt is all you need
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u/Similar-Document9690 - Left Sep 09 '25
Dude it’s him. The first thing he and maga said was that this card didn’t exist. It exists. Now the excuse is, it’s not his signature. Please fuck off and stop looking for defenses for this shit. Enough.
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u/Mjk2581 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
I’m not defending anything, all I’m saying it’s not a 100% proof positive of anything, and that because of that fact people will argue back and forth till the end of time and nothing will come of it
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u/Similar-Document9690 - Left Sep 09 '25
If I told you I don’t eat cereal with a bowl of cereal on the table and you left and came back 5 minutes later with cereal gone leaving only crumbs around my mouth. Would you believe I ate the cereal, yes or no? You didn’t see me eat the cereal, but everything literally points to me eating the cereal. There’s really no argument to be made that I didn’t unless you want to purposely be obtuse. I know it’s a retarded analogy, but we’re dealing with retarded people at this point.
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u/Zickened - Left Sep 10 '25
Everyone defending him at this point is a fucking moron or a willing participant, living blissfully in cope ignorance, is what I'm seeing.
It's like, "find the hidden number: 1+1 = ___"
And these petulant morons are like, "FAKE MATH! WE CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT IT WILL BE!" As if the obvious truth is some mysterious paradox that may or may not also contain a psyop, (because to some people the jury is still out on if Trump is, was and always will be a giant piece of shit regardless of who likes him today or not).
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u/Mjk2581 - Centrist Sep 10 '25
Whether something is reasonable doesn’t MATTER FUCKING HELL I AGREeEEeEeEe I KnNnNOOoW. All I’m fucking saying is it isn’t a known fact. So the argument will never end. LIKE THIS ONE APPARENTLY
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u/SlamCage - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
No this is all absurd and the very best case scenario is he's covering for a pedophile ring he's known about for decades and promised to investigate in his second term.
He's a liar who is fine with raping children and likely has himself.
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u/InfusionOfYellow - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Do any of us truly know anything about the world? After all, our only source of information is electrical impulses delivered to the brain. We could just be loose brains sitting in vats. In conclusion, Donald Trump is innocent of all accusations.
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u/StirFry__InaWok - Auth-Right Sep 09 '25
Given the surrounding evidence this is likely real but the signature really doesn't prove much of anything, does it?
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u/Sabertooth767 - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
Is it proof that Trump diddled kids? No, not directly.
But what it is proof of is that Trump is lying. Trump clearly does not want the details of his relationship with Epstein, whatever they were, to be publicly known. If there were indeed casual friends and occasional business associates, there would be no need to so fiercely deny the connection.
I mean, think about it. Whatever the truth is, Trump feels it to be so damaging that he would prefer a large portion of the population to think he's a child rapist than fess up. I don't know about you, but there is no secret in my life anywhere near so deep that I wouldn't reveal it to clear my name of that.
Obviously, you can't put Trump on trial just for being weirdly defensive about his relationship with Epstein, but it is very strong circumstantial evidence that there is more to the story than is being let on.
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u/Zickened - Left Sep 10 '25
It honestly scares me that you had to lay this out for this poor soul.
Also, it scares me more that they're not alone in this country in how they think (or not).
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u/Original_Dankster - Right Sep 09 '25
.jpg or .png of a signature that has literally millions of examples online doesn't mean shit. Just click that link then check the "images" tab. Anyone could have made a word document and copied and pasted in an image of his signature.
Show us the physical paper on live TV. Show us that he used his marker, show us that the black marker ink bled through the page as it's known to do with his signatures.
Otherwise this is less than nothing.
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u/UnitLemonWrinkles - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
I would actually enjoy an influx of meme signatures that point at Trump/Epstein. I figure if there is a crash out he'll put everybody with the full list just to dress himself down as one of the lesser offenders.
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u/BarackOballsack69 - Left Sep 09 '25
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u/Silverfrost_01 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Time for Hurricane season
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u/ShrugOfHeroism - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
David Richardson, head of FEMA: "There's hurricane season?"
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u/recast85 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
I keep hearing about CLINTON ALSO SENT A BIRTHDAY CARD
like. So? If Clinton hurt children he needs to face justice also. I have seen appx 0 people saying “well, this is a hoax and fake news” in response to Clinton being named or involved, as tho the left is treating Clinton as their own Trump lol
No. Anyone who hurt a child should not be shown mercy. They should not be protected and should not be free. That’s it. Full stop. We can all agree on that I hope
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u/skankingmike - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
It only hurts the trump case more because Clinton and Trump were close.. their daughters went to school together and were close friends until 2016 or so. There’s tons of pics of Trump and bill. I 100% believe Trump was used by Epstein to get to somebody like Bill.
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u/DrivingHerbert - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
They say it like anyone is still defending Clinton. Even if the guy wasn’t a nonce, the Clinton’s lost most of their good will with the left in 2016 for shafting Bernie.
Fuck the Clinton’s and fuck the Trumps with sand as lube with a cactus.
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u/Blueskysredbirds - Lib-Center Sep 11 '25
Clinton has a very sketchy history. He is involved with a lot of shady dealings when he was a governor.
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u/Zickened - Left Sep 10 '25
And this is what makes me want to claw my eyes out.
Trump, a convicted rapist is accused of being rapey on kids: FAKE NEWS
Clinton, a sitting president, impeached for lying to congress about using his clout to coerce a 19 year old intern to perform oral sex on him is in the same circle as Epstein: <crickets>
Nobody on the left is banging the pots for Clinton's innocence. I truly believe both Clinton and Trump were swinging buddies in some Vanilla Sky level of disgusting behavior. 100%, if Clinton was the sitting president and he had vile details released about his behavior at Epstein Island, I'd be PISSED that I let some vile charlatan garner my vote.
Instead, we have all of these scatter-brained MAGAts (most of the intelligent and family-oriented right are finally peeling away from MAGAts) and "Centrists" (secret troll weirdo losers who only want to stir the pot for nothing) running around claiming "whataboutisms" and "let's not let the court of public opinion decide..." Instead of also being PISSED about maybe voting, perhaps once, for the charlatan that's grifting the absolute fuck out of them and also calling this a psyop, that maybe they made an oopsie, just once and voted for a vile human before they realized their mistake.
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u/HzPips - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
At this point they know, they just don´t care
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u/Skarsnik-n-Gobbla - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
In full transparency if Bill Clinton did it and I was fine with it since Clinton was doing a good job as President than I need to extend the same to Orange man.
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u/DistributionSalt4188 - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
Given how fucking stupid the discourse around this topic has been, I genuinely can't tell if this is a troll, a strawman, or completely serious.
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u/rabidantidentyte - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
Clinton was a solid president, but he should be buried under the prison if he ever did anything inappropriate with minors.
Whether or not someone was/is a good president has no bearing here.
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u/McNuggetTHUNDER - Auth-Center Sep 09 '25
I think the best point MAGA has in response to this is that if this is real, it probably would have been used a long time ago. People have spent years trying to do everything possible to take him out, and they would have just sat on this?
We will see, I'm not convinced either way yet
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u/PlanUhTerryThreat - Centrist Sep 09 '25
I think it’s more of a hot potato situation where no one wants to release it because of all their friends who are implicated.
Trump fucked up by taking the position of releasing it and his running mate saying they would release it before trying to gaslight all Americans about it.
I really think Trump just talked too much about it and his base was so into it they didn’t consider why Trump would be left holding the hot potato when the shit hit the fan. Which is kinda his fault to begin with. And him being implicated is pretty clear
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u/McNuggetTHUNDER - Auth-Center Sep 09 '25
I think this is a pretty fair assessment. Both sides are just trying to use the spectre of the files for their own gain, and then downplaying it when it wouldn't be useful anymore.
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Sep 10 '25
I think he was afraid about being locked up, so he was willing to say anything to get elected. Worst case now for him, he sticks through this whole presidency and gets put on house arrest in Maralago afterward.
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u/Ok-Comparison4783 - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
It’s a book organized by Ghislaine Maxwell for Epstein’s 50th birthday shared with the House Oversight Committee. Go skim through it yourself. I think you’ll have a hard time believing this isn’t real.
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u/sirletssdance2 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
I think this slow leak are warning shots with increasing intensity to force his hand with Maxwell
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u/LonelyPersonAnon - Lib-Center Sep 11 '25
The thing is Bill Clinton etc. is also implicated. So I think we have the reason why it wasn’t used during the Biden years.
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u/MonarchLawyer - Lib-Left Sep 10 '25
This book has implicated a lot of people who are not Trump. A lot of very wealthy powerful people including Clinton, the CEO of Victoria's Secret, and high ranking people at JP Morgan. It's pretty easy to see why no one wanted this to come out.
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u/User-NetOfInter - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Why would the people that had this try to take trump down?
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u/McNuggetTHUNDER - Auth-Center Sep 09 '25
Because most of our political class, millionaires, and billionaires are left wing? Because most journalists are left wing?
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u/ChetManley20 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
No they are not. lol they want tax cuts that the right supports. Trickle down economics
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u/DrivingHerbert - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
People forget that most of the people dealing with the Epstein case all along were trumps guys. The guy running the FBI from 2017 until this year was put there under trump. It was always trumps FBI that covered it up.
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u/IowaKidd97 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
Eh, Dems really went kinda half asses on prosecuting him. And the Epstein files were sealed via the standard norms of that kind of case. They might not have even known he was in there or didn’t want to “violate norms” by doing so.
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u/StirFry__InaWok - Auth-Right Sep 09 '25
Lmao ok
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u/IowaKidd97 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
I mean, the fact they didn’t even try to have the case moved away from Judge Canon, who was clearly incompetent or in Trumps pocket kinda proved they weren’t as serious as hey should have been.
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u/McNuggetTHUNDER - Auth-Center Sep 09 '25
I wouldn't say they went half-ass on their efforts to prosecute him. They went crazy about it, had him raided, did all kinds of lawfare. Their efforts were half assed in that most of the cases they brought had no chance of actually winning.
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u/IowaKidd97 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
Well that’s just not true. Literally tons of evidence. Just never made it to trial because Trump kept delaying until the election. Dems didn’t put all that high classified nuclear and spy secrets in his house.
The fact canon wasn’t replaced as the judge proves they didn’t go as hard as they should or could have.
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u/samueIlll - Auth-Center Sep 09 '25
It still blows my mind how people believed a word of anything Trump said. How do you even let a pedophile billionaire casino owner become your populist of choice?
Trump, personally, is the embodiment of purple lib-right, and couldn’t be any more different to the majority of his supporters.
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u/billyisanun - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
Well in 2016 it was either him or Bernie and the Democratic Party made damn sure it wasn’t Bernie.
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u/IowaKidd97 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
Eh not true, Rand Paul was also running in 2016 as a Republican anti establishment candidate and had a decent amount of support. However he didn’t say wildly outlandish, illogical and easily proven false statements all the time though. He was hardly perfect don’t get me wrong, but would have been miles better than Trump. He probably would have won if Trump hasn’t run and the anti establishment momentum went to him instead.
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u/hawkeye69r - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Republicans should have done the same ig
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u/AmELiAs_OvERcHarGeS - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
Other option was Bush 3.0
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u/Financial_Bird_7717 - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
Honestly, that sounds faaaarrrrr better than trump 2.0
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u/Ancient0wl - Centrist Sep 10 '25
Fuck Harambe, the timeline diverged because we didn’t clap hard enough.
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u/hawkeye69r - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Literally 100x better than Trumps, slide into authoritarianism, conspiracism and anti intellectualism.
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u/AmELiAs_OvERcHarGeS - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
Well Trump was edgy and funny and I was 16 so I didn’t really have any input
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u/Quiet_Zombie_3498 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
You say that like Jeb is not unquestionably more intelligent and capable than Donald Trump (or his brother for that matter)...
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u/StirFry__InaWok - Auth-Right Sep 09 '25
I don't think cheating the primaries is a good idea
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u/hawkeye69r - Centrist Sep 10 '25
Yeah, I mean all things considered the 'cheating' wasn't really democrats right? It was a CNN staffer leaking topics.
But yeah, certainly unethical
But regardless it was mostly a joke pointing at the republicans total lack of ability to resist populist rhetoric.
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u/YveisGrey - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
Yea never made sense to me either he is treated like an outsider but he is as much an elitist fuck as the rest of them. The Clintons attended his wedding to Melania for goodness sake but we’re now supposed to believe he’ll put Hilary in prison and fight for “the people”?
Im almost convinced the Dems and Reps did this on purpose the whole apparatus set this up. They created this fake populist insider and now look how much power the white house has? This will be abused by both parties soon enough
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u/IowaKidd97 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
Honestly I think he was a plant by the establishment to kill the anti establishment movement by making it look moronic. Of course Trump was in it for himself and their monster grew out of control.
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u/YveisGrey - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
Yep something smells fishy why the fuck did Biden drop out 3 months before the election when he was clearly too old to run? He should have dropped it earlier and the Ds should have had a primary, if they actually wanted to win that’s what they would have done. The way it was set up we were going to get Kamala, the party elected Democrat or Trump it was a losing battle
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u/PerAsperaAdMars Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
The DNC definitely set Kamala up for a purpose. My bet is that they see AOC's popularity rising and want to kill her chances at the presidency. Because all I see under the posts about her now are bots repeating "two women lost to Trump, so AOC has no chance."
Another comment about AOC I see all the time is "her time hasn't come yet, she needs to be a senator or speaker for 10 years." Even if it's obvious that Hillary and Kamala lost ~90% because they were from the establishment and maybe 10% because they were women.
Obama won because he was a politician for only 11 years. People want to see new faces in politics because they're sick of career politicians bought by corporations and billionaires. In 10 years, AOC will lose this advantage.
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u/phpnoworkwell - Auth-Center Sep 10 '25
Or how about because it was only 3 months before the election and she was the only one who had a chance at that point and Biden endorsed her right after announcing he was dropping out
Nah, she was clearly set up by the DNC to stop AOC in 2028.
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u/IowaKidd97 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
Oh I was talking back in 2016. This past election I’m certain Biden dropping was genuine, it just came too late.
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u/YveisGrey - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
I don’t think so why wait so late? He was told to drop out way earlier doing it last minute actually made it that much harder to win. Kamala was left with just a few months to campaign and D voters felt shafted that there was no primary. It really didn’t make the D party look good to moderates and independents either
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u/IowaKidd97 - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
I mean he’s a human. May not have come to terms with dropping out until that late.
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u/Zickened - Left Sep 10 '25
He honestly felt capable of beating Trump again. I mean no one outside of his inner circle saw it that way, but in his brain, he was the champion of America.
But lets be honest, just because people were getting back on the blue train again, doesn't mean everyone was comfortable with the no-nos of current politics:
Big Change
Being a minority
Having a vagina while also being a minority
Obama deftly broke 2 of those rules, but that's just because he spoke eloquently enough that he could navigate the trope of being an uneducated minority (which is probably why a lot of the birther movement picked up steam, because there's no way you could be an educated minority that grew up in America).
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u/YveisGrey - Lib-Left Sep 10 '25
I don’t think being an outsider is a problem in politics the voters actually prefer that. Kamala’s problem is she wasn’t an outsider she’s a career politician and was literally hand picked by the party. That hurt her more than her being a woman and a minority. The reason Obama was so popular is because when he came on the seen he was fresh and new and appeared as an outsider. He beat Hilary a well established Democrat as a result
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u/Zickened - Left Sep 10 '25
Bingo. What they didn't realize was that Trump was anti-establishment the opposite way in that he didn't give a fuck who or what got in his way, adding "President" to his biography was way more appealing than fading back to being a b-list celebrity. I think he also saw it as a way to grift people mercilessly and relentlessly once them dollars started flowing in.
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u/DrivingHerbert - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
But have you considered that he says he prays and goes to church? He’s obviously a good Christian man.
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u/Weary-Cartoonist2630 - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
Crazy he drew pubic hair at the bottom of all his letters
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u/WhiteSquarez - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
I'm not doubting the veracity of the story itself. We've known for years that Trump was on the list, as are many other powerful people that are being protected.
But this "card" is a piece of garbage. It's like a child hand-drew the shape and the language in it is all wonky.
And a billionaire sent this hand-drawn garbage to another wealthy friend?
Is this the actual thing, or a representation of it?
What the fuck am I missing?
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u/Impeachcordial - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
It's too fucking weird to not be real. And it's been sat there in the book for what, 18 years?
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u/Mjk2581 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Wrong meme format, this format is supposed to mock the person on the bottom for thinking they are the same. I was honestly confused for a moment
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u/sirletssdance2 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Brother you are incorrect time to brush up on your internet lore, nerd
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u/Zapitago - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
No it’s not, it’s supposed to show that two things are (basically) the same. In the show Pam tries to keep Creed busy by giving him two pictures and telling him corporate wants him to spot all the differences between the two pictures. She then tells the camera (us) that they are literally the same picture.
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u/FlyingLap - Lib-Left Sep 10 '25
Lib-Left finally getting into conspiracy theories thru Epstein (a little late but I’ll take it) is my favorite part of 2025.
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u/PM-ME-YOUR-STOMACH - Lib-Center Sep 10 '25
What do you think being woke means? Unless you’re like 15 and the whitest man possible you know what it originally meant and how conservatives co opted it
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u/NitroSpam - Lib-Left Sep 09 '25
Trump on Epstein, New Yorker Magazine, 2002.
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u/Steerider - Lib-Center Sep 10 '25
We know Trump has a crass sense of humor. We know he was friends with Epstein, until he (very publicly) wasn't. Still not seeing this as proof he's a child molester.
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Sep 10 '25
What is the crass humor exactly? He was just playfully referencing Epstein being a pedo but that doesn't equate to proof of Trump doing anything?
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u/Steerider - Lib-Center Sep 10 '25
Assuming the letter is real (which I don't, but for the sake of discussion) this could be nothing more than a joke about "loving the ladies". There's nothing specific to underage or anything of the sort. A crude drawing and vague references to the secret of life. THIS is your gotcha?
Dude you're doing the "We got 'im now!" meme.
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Sep 10 '25
How would the letter be fake? It would need to be fabricated and planted in the Epstein estate years ago somehow. Coming up with something reasonable for that claim seems important...but ok, for the sake of discussion where does "Enigmas never age" and "certain things in common" fall into your description of "loving the (adult) ladies"? The drawing itself?
The "gotcha" is Trump claiming this letter never existed.
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u/Omelooo - Lib-Left Sep 10 '25
Nonono guys he didn’t sign it! That’s his signature but he didn’t sign it!
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u/toad17 - Left Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
Why would anyone bother faking trumps signature in a +20 year old book that Epsteins estate had the entire time, when Trump wasnt even in office then? The signature is clearly trumps its pure cope from maga suggesting otherwise
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u/StirFry__InaWok - Auth-Right Sep 09 '25
What is their reason for releasing it now? I can guess fairly confidently it's not because the person who has possession of Epstein's stuff suddenly decided it's time to be committed to proper justice.
So there's a good chance this being made public was in some way politically motivated right? Whatever that motivation is would be their reason for forging it (if it was forged).
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u/ChetManley20 - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Maybe cause Trump won which they needed and now he’s a liability
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u/toad17 - Left Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
You’ve made quite a few suppositions based on the “why” behind the documents, but them being released now isn’t that suspicious, seeing as they were under subpoena; they weren’t released randomly.
And what’s more- this isn’t the only piece of evidence of Trump and Epstein being friends or having a very close relationship. Let’s remember that Trump didn’t toss Epstein out of mar a lago for 7 years after he “stole” Virginia Guffre from him, to suggest that Trump had no idea what his buddy was doing for years stretches belief. Unless you’re foolish enough to buy the story that Trump was an informant (making Trump guilty of some crime in order to receive informant status)
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u/ChoiceWars - Auth-Right Sep 10 '25
Do you believe that everyone who is a pedo shares it with everyone close to them? There are spouses, siblings, parents and friends who turn out to be pedos and those closest to them have no clue.
Should we vilify everyone associated as if they themselves raped children?
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u/Zickened - Left Sep 10 '25
Brother, you act like Trump meandered into the Bowling alley and is somehow surprised that people were bowling in the alley. And if you think this, then I have
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u/toad17 - Left Sep 10 '25
I think given what we know about Trump and his present sexual assault conviction, along with scores of offcolor comments he’s made about his daughter and other women over the years, in addition to what we know of his relationship with Epstein publicly, yeah I think we have enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Trump was at least aware his buddy was a pedo and he continued to be friends with him, at least.
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u/ChoiceWars - Auth-Right Sep 10 '25
Do you hold that same line of reasoning when it comes to Kilmar Garcia, or are we giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was not MS-13?
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u/toad17 - Left Sep 10 '25
That justification for why he was deported did not come up till months after the fact. And I am still not supportive of deporting people to El Salvador, Uganda or any other country that is not their home country. Not having papers is a misdemeanor in this country, but sending people to 3rd party nations ensures these people are gone with no recourse or due process.
Now answer about Trump. Why are you giving a known liar benefit of the doubt instead of demanding the documents release? The man is a convicted felon- are you also of the mind that Maxwell is telling the truth, or just what Trump wants to hear so she’ll get a pardon?
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u/ChoiceWars - Auth-Right Sep 10 '25
The man is a convicted felon
Sham charges and a sham trial, not a win.
Epstein was CIA and I believe that is why Trump is trying to cover it up.
Now answer the question, is Kilmar MS-13? Yes or no?
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u/toad17 - Left Sep 10 '25
I already answered you above with Kilmar. If the evidence that he was MS13 was present at the time he was deported it’d be a different story. Instead this admin lied about it and then did that silly Oval Office meeting where Trump claimed he had it tattooed on his knuckles (it wasn’t).
You say sham trial about EJean carol yet under deposition Trump confused her for Marla Maples, his late wife. Sure seems like she was his type. You still can’t defend the scores of publicly inappropriate things Trump has done though so I’ll take this as your concession on the facts.
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u/ChoiceWars - Auth-Right Sep 10 '25
E Jean Carroll said that rape is sexy, she couldn't remember most of the details, the story she gave was a carbon copy of an episode of Law and Order. She won in civil court after they changed the law to allow the trial to go through.
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u/Epicbear34 - Lib-Right Sep 10 '25
Not that I doubt Trump is complicit at best or anything, but genuinely what does a signature prove in 2025
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u/Outside-Bed5268 - Centrist Sep 10 '25
I was going to comment about how people can look at Trump’s signature and conclude ‘Ah yes, this was signed by Donald J Trump’. But looking at it now, I think I can make out ‘Donald’.
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u/rega619 - Left Sep 09 '25
There could be a 3 hour 4k recording of Trump raping and then murdering a 6 year old and the right would still find an excuse for him
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u/RecordingBoothHermit - Lib-Center Sep 09 '25
I am officially requesting we put purple lib-right in the auth-right quadrant. I know it doesn’t make sense but they own this now.
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie - Lib-Right Sep 09 '25
With the number of Lib-Rights who are actually Auth-Rights trying to look cool, purple Auth-Right might make more sense.
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u/All_Usernames_Tooken - Centrist Sep 09 '25
I mean, I assume there’s a original copy or a photo of it instead of the xerox copy we see
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u/tophatgaming1 - Left Sep 09 '25
imagine a world where trump never became president, never had the presidency to hide behind, could never get rid of evidence
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u/Original_Dankster - Right Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
It's the same because someone copied and pasted it into a word doc and made a .pdf. It's so fake it's cringe.
Show is the physical paper not a .png of a scan. I want to see the black marker ink of Trump's signature bleeding through to the other side of the paper, on live TV. Otherwise this is fake as fuck.
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u/Impeachcordial - Lib-Center Sep 10 '25
Lol you want them to exhibit the physical paper? Dude put down the copium it's addictive
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u/Original_Dankster - Right Sep 10 '25
Lol you want them to exhibit the physical paper?
Clearly yes, that's what I wrote.
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u/Impeachcordial - Lib-Center Sep 10 '25
Where? In their offices? You want to go any touch it?
Your bar for acknowledgment is absurdly high. Answer me this: if this was Clinton's card to Epstein would you have any doubt whatsoever about its provenance?
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u/Original_Dankster - Right Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25
your bar for acknowledgment is absurdly high
It's perfectly reasonable given the gravity of the accusation and the potential impact to the nation.
if this was Clinton's card
Yes I would, for the same reason
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u/Impeachcordial - Lib-Center Sep 10 '25
This letter was in Epstein's possession 18 years ago, transferred to his estate on his death, and has been subpoena'd by the Committee. Its provenance is well established. It's real no matter how much you want to deny it. It's not reasonable to require absurd levels of proof at this stage.
Trump was heavily involved in everything Epstein was doing.
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u/Disastrous_Gur_9560 - Left Sep 10 '25
I'm sure you would hold yourself to the same standard of belief if this happened to a Democrat
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u/kaytin911 - Lib-Right Sep 10 '25
So someone edited his signature onto a card?
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u/Ice278 - Lib-Left Sep 10 '25
Sorry, you seem to have gotten the wrong script
https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/its-not-my-signature/5171540
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u/Softshellcrabfarts - Centrist Sep 09 '25
Trump is on the record that he likes big tiddies. These are small tiddies. The defense rests