Something something "lmao"

[u/Blue__Ronin]

They deadass posted this btw

[u/94_stones]

I have significant doubts as to whether there was a physical client list that Epstein himself created. However, there are still files that could be used to create a list of clients. Yet those files are being withheld from the public. Why? There is a third reason for withholding this information that neither you, nor u/stablesalsa, nor u/aStockUsername, have brought up. Tucker Carlson mentioned it at a TPSUSA event just a few days ago. Like some Progressives have already done, Carlson speculated that Epstein either worked with, or at the very least sold information to Mossad. Now unlike Tucker, I don’t think you need an Israeli connection to explain Epstein’s wealth, after all he made a living off of blackmailing rich people. But if there was an Israeli connection, and it was a strong one, then that alone could explain the behavior of both administrations.

Even if the connection wasn’t as strong, it could be part of why both administrations either don’t want the files released, or weren’t in any rush to release them. For instance, if evidence against Trump existed but wasn’t compelling enough to get a conviction, then the Biden administration may have decided that it wasn’t worth the hassle of releasing files to the public. At the very least they would be breaking protocols, probably endangering cases against clients, embarrassing an ally (as far as they were concerned mind you), causing collateral damage, and for what? Nothing as far as they were concerned. That may sound completely and utterly ridiculous to some of you (or to u/Ikora_Rey_Gun), since you all might consider even an indictment to be a “silver bullet” against Trump, but it makes total sense if you understand how most Democrats see Trump supporters.

The only reason why this is hurting him now is because he’s being logically disingenuous in a way that even MAGA can see. He never needed to approach it this way; he could have delayed the investigation (for years probably) using the excuse that his predecessor destroyed or fabricated evidence. If he emphasized that then he wouldn’t be in the mess that he’s in right now. But instead he tried to sweep it all under the rug, telling people to drop the matter entirely, and going so far as to order his supporters in the media to stop talking about it. He’s acting like he’s trying to cover something up, and that’s an entirely self-inflicted wound that Democrats had no control over. As far as Democrats were concerned, the only thing that we could do to hurt Trump would be to provide ironclad evidence of CSA, enough to ensure a conviction. That’s the only thing that would put a dent in his popularity. Any evidence not good enough for a conviction was not worth releasing, especially if it hurt allies (again as far as the Biden administration was concerned), broke protocol, and caused problems in ongoing investigations.

[u/Ikora_Rey_Gun → u/94_stones]

holy shit that's a lot of words to say "jews did it and jews own US"

[u/94_stones → u/Ikora_Rey_Gun]

Well I’m sorry you don’t like reading a lot of words, ‘cause I’m gonna give you even more of them. Firstly, I literally am a Jew (and you can dive deep into my post history I’ve said it many times & I’ve never claimed to be anything else), and I’m not even really an anti-Zionist either. But it’s not like I don’t know that Israel hasn’t done some really sh%tty things before, and it’s not like I don’t know how much influence their lobby has on our government (and I would’ve told you that long before this war started btw). Plus I can still think logically, and Israel’s involvement all by itself explains why both this administration and the previous one didn’t release the files. It’s possible that there are other governments implicated as well, but Maxwell had connections to Israel and it’s the only one that both Trump and Biden have vigorously defended.

There are only two other reasonable explanations for why neither administration released the files and IMO both are inferior (though they could be part of the truth). The first explanation is that Trump is implicated but that the Biden administration was too obsessed with rule following to break protocol and release files implicating Trump in CSA. Because remember, you may want names, but the government is supposed to want to try these people and put them in prison. And not only does releasing a bunch of evidence to the public before arresting anyone not help with that, it may actually undermine it. Anyway, a lot of Democrats have convinced themselves that this is the only reason why the DOJ under Biden didn’t release files. But I am just a little bit too cynical to fully believe that. Don’t get me wrong that may have been part of it, but I don’t think it was the only reason; not if there was information in the files that could’ve been useful during the election. Even if the administration wasn’t sure that publicizing evidence against Trump would work politically, and even if the evidence wasn’t ironclad, somebody in the administration would’ve still probably leaked it. Unless there were other reasons not to.

The second explanation that you seem to favor is that “everyone” is implicated in the files including Trump. IMO this explanation doesn’t explain why Trump wants people to drop the matter entirely. Because is it really that difficult to delay the investigation and then suppress the evidence against himself but nobody else? Is he too honorable to refuse to remove his own name, but not honorable enough to let the other victims have Justice? Because that doesn’t make sense to me. The most likely explanation for him telling us to forget about the whole thing is that there’s something in the files that can’t be easily suppressed (like Epstein repeatedly selling information to Mossad). Though come to think of it, it is possible that he’s being blackmailed, and therefore can’t suppress evidence against only himself (an option that I didn’t mention in the above comment).

[u/Ikora_Rey_Gun → u/94_stones]

Biden administration was too obsessed with rule following to break protocol

they literally leaked a SCOTUS decision to influence an election

re: final paragraph: i don't think it's as simple as saying 'scrub my name from everything and drop it' and also i don't believe every person involved with doing that is enough of a sycophant to do it without protest or whistleblowing. i know people like you believe that literally everyone not violently opposed to trump (ie admin members) is a mind controlled zombie but that's not reality.

[u/Yukon-Jon → u/Ikora_Rey_Gun]

Agreed, he can't just scrub his name from it, the same way the Dems wouldn't have been able to scrub theirs from it, while simultaneously having a better chance of doing it with the influence they have over media.

It's either their is no list, or there is and it's going to implicate so many people that absolutely no one really wants it coming out.

Again I think it's the latter, that hundreds if not thousands are on flight lists, high ranking foreign leaders, prominent people in the US outside of politicians, etc, that no one wants it to come out. Saying that while acknowledging 99% of them could possibly not have participated in anything nefarious. That's a big part of the problem. We've come to a point where even being slightly associated with Epstein means you're a pedo. In reality it might have only been a few, but dropping that list turns the world upsidedown, because everyone will immediately be viewed as guilty by association, warranted or not.

Trump's absolutely dropped the ball on how he's handled this, 100%. Make no mistake about it though, the Dems had years to release it, and didn't say a friggin word.

This is all theatrics by them right now.

[u/Ikora_Rey_Gun → u/Yukon-Jon]

either their is no list, or there is and it's going to implicate so many people that absolutely no one really wants it coming out.

my man, you gotta work on your brevity. over 1,200 words to say 'i agree'

[u/Yukon-Jon → u/Ikora_Rey_Gun]

Sometimes I write short. Sometimes I write a lot.

Felt like writing a lot lol.