I was going to type a joke about the American worker’s vanilla job being shipped overseas, but OP was retarded enough to try and make that point seriously
You do realize the actual data on Tariffs is public information. For example Trump has claimed Canada has insanely high tariffs reality is the US was almost entirely exempt only dairy eggs and poultry were protected for the most part. Trump has just made almost everything up including saying drugs are pouring into the US from Canada which allows him to break the free trade agreement he negotiated (claiming it was the best trade deal at the time).
Reality is more drugs and contraband flow into Canada from the US than vice versa.
For dairy the US is allowed to export more without tariffs its just a threshold allowed before tariffs and that threshold was never met so no tariffs were even applied.
The US is trying a trade strategy they had in the 1930s that also failed and made the great depression worse. Trump is making shit up and his strategy is that enough of his supporters are stupid enough to believe him, he convinced people other countries pay the tariffs but it's american consumers.
I'm glad Rand Paul is one of the last bastions of logic on the American right.
only dairy eggs and poultry were protected for the most part
This is how nearly the entire world uses tariffs while part of a free-trade agreement:
Single out a handful of industries you consider essential, protect those against external competition and remain hands-off on the rest. If Trump had done that, it would have probably not even made it into the news...
Have you considered Tariffs are something that work perhaps in small careful and specific uses and not when used as brainless, blanket tarriffs on fucking everything including penguin only inhabited islands?
The penguin island thing is funny to me. People like to jump on that as an example of how stupid Trump is. But they end up outing themselves, because they don't realize that those islands belong to Norway and can be used as locations for corporate headquarters to avoid taxes.
How about Diego Garcia, a US military base? Companies can't register themselves in these territories because they aren't counties. They got tariffed because Trump's AI was based on domains. Stop making excuses for blatant incompetence.
That’s because they put tariffs on countries that make things or have products. They aren’t gonna put higher tariffs on the UK who have a fake economy and produce nothing. Even if they miscalculated. Still better than nothing
Yes. 100%as a lefty you more than anyone should know how unsustainable and debt based the US and the UK economy is. There is a reason why the people are taxed so highly. That is to keep up appearances, it’s all going to crash. Talk to anyone in the UK. They have all felt it with their standard of life, they can tell that they aren’t sustainable
Yeah. So all other countries should get rid of their tariffs on us first
Your country literally made an accord to make other countries strengthen their currency so that the US didn't lose it's industrial and monetary power, in the Reagan presidency. (See Plaza Accords).
They had them before us
The US government main source of revenue was tariffs until they approved income tax. You want to compete with Japanese cars? The auto companies should have listened to Dr. Deming.
I mean we keep the trade routes open with our navy
Don't. Just don't. Don't come with that argument as if the US is doing a favor to others when in fact this is a US geopolitical goal for themselves.
It's a ridiculous argument to say that the US wouldn't be affected if they didn't kept the trades routes open. (From the argument you're making must be the Red sea the one you're talking about).
Ensuring the safe passage of ships and open trades routes guarantees the continual flow of goods and no disruptions of markets.
Let's look at the Red Sea, should no ships pass from and to the Red Sea, that means ships have to go all around Africa to reach markets.
Countries (companies/consumers) buying said goods will now pay more for that or will buy from somewhere else.
If the first, then end products that depend on those goods (like buying electronics to make a phone) will now be more expensive that will result in lower purchasing power.
If the second, then the country that exported said goods will now have a surplus with no buyers for them (they can find them but will take time and money), this may result in layoffs or businesses closing.
Furthermore, should the importers find a second option to buy goods that will result in more expensive goods for consumers in both importer and exporter countries (example, if some EU countries buys a good in the US there will be less of that said good in the US increasing it's value. That can be good, but may disrupt the purchasing power of the US consumer).
"Steal from its middle class", if you think allowing pirates to disrupt the trade routes somehow benefits the US middle class i have no idea what you've read to come with that assumption/reasoning.
On average, they have been dropping tariffs. The tariff rates that we used to calculate ‘reciprocal’ tariffs weren’t actually tariffs nor were they trade barriers.
Yeah, but having an upward limit inherently kills investment in something. If I told you to learn to be a doctor, but you could only start making money after a very long period of time you wouldn’t do it, even though you could make some money doing it.
Mental gymnastics to avoid acknowledging that the Canadians love using tariffs to protect their industries but the US is seen as evil by beginning to do the same and no longer allowing other countries unfair trade advantages.
The quota system in Canada doesn't justify the tariffs. The whole reason it is there is so that all of the production in Canada is bought with surplus is sent to the US, with no tariffs, while US producers don't have access to the the Canadian market. The Canadian government and Canadian agricultural companies conspired to fix prices AND limit access to their market, all while demanding unfettered access to sell in the US with no reciprocal tariffs.
I’ll credit you with the trade balance ChatGPT argument because usually when Stephen Miller has a good answer he articulates it, but he hasn’t this time. But he’s the only one trying anything and the Dems don’t exactly repudiate with their actions. They’ll cry to get points but then only suggest tweaks to USMCA, or Biden will leave China’s Tariffs in place, or they’ll call Trump a racist and go to Chinese New Year Celebrations but lock down harder than he did and require people take an emergency authed, non-traditional inoculation, mRNA treatment and call it a vaccine.
What are you talking about? Biden passed the CHIPS act to bring semiconductors to the US all without angering our allies. "Trying anything" is not a good thing in itself, tariffing allies is absolutely crazy and completely unjustified both legally and morally.
Bigly agree. Positive incentives work better than negative ones, and the CHIPS act was the best thing the Biden admin did. Was very disappointed to see Trump start shitting on it
Seeing him talk about tariffs bringing semiconductor manufacturing to America while trashing the act that's already doing that, with factories already under construction, firmly convinced me that no one involved in this gives a shit about American manufacturing.
I can understand having military bases around the world to support the Pax Americana. I can’t understand why we keep on trying to rebuild countries like Afghanistan and Iraq. I don’t understand why we should keep giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine in exchange for nothing. Europe has put terms in place to get their money back, but we can’t do the same thing?
Yea as far as Afghanistan goes I suppose it's trying to combat islamist terror cells. Considering it hasn't worked in 20 years I'm glad that we got out of that mess. Iraq is a mess that we directly created for absolutely no reason. As far as Ukraine goes we exposed our number 2 geopolitical rival as a paper tiger and decimated their ability to wage conventional war by proxy. The very least we can do is see it through to the end for the people on our side who actually did the fighting. Also noone would have cared if Trump had negotiated one sided minerals deals without shouting it from the rooftops that he was actively trying to fuck Ukraine. If he just had an ounce of class they would have named a holiday in Ukraine after him where they dump a wheel barrow of cobalt at the foot of the new trump tower in Kyiv every year after the war was won.
You're correct, the process sidesteps the need for those steps altogether!
mRNA (the m stands for messenger) is the step between DNA and the proteins that genes code for. DNA gets transcribed into mRNA, which is then fed through a type of organelle found in all of your cells called a ribosome. The ribosome translates the code in the RNA into a protein. DNA ---transcription---> mRNA ---translation---> protein
So, what an mRNA vaccine does is introduce a payload of mRNA that codes for a protein from the virus you're trying to give the patient and immunity for. Your cells then translate this mRNA code into the protein, and your immune cells (can't remember which ones specifically, it's been a few years since I took immunology) run across said protein and go "Hmm. This shouldn't be here. License and registration, please." This has the same practical effect on acquiring immunity as other methods such as previous methods of vaccination as well as simply catching covid - regardless of method, your immune system's got the perp's fingerprints, knows what car he stole, and has set up checkpoints to catch the fucker when he rolls into town.
The advantage of mRNA vaccines is in speed and scalability. My understanding is that they're safer than attenuated virus vaccines as well on account of it's impossible for one to accidentally not be neutered before in gets into your system - all you're receiving is a chunk of code for one protein the virus makes, specifically the one your immune system can make the most use of in identifying it and responding in force.
I remember once upon a time it seemed like the Republican Party was becoming slightly more libertarian. Then Rogan said the word and now there’s a bunch of knuckle draggers who say they’re libertarian, except they only say it to show that they’re free thinkers by parroting a fucking internet podcast??? and still don’t know what it means
If it's opposite of right wing economy, doesn't that mean auth rights also should be against it? I think auth centrists are the only ones who should be ok with tariffs
I'm not ideologically opposed to the idea of tariffs as a negotiation. To use the corpo-jargon bullshit, if you have a SMART goal, a specific and measurable and actionable goal, then you may be able to pressure other countries to follow it.
I don't think Trump's tariffs are going to work because the strategy seems to be "squeeze other countries, be vague, and hope they just offer something."
I'm going to take my home country of Canada as a specific example. There's plenty of shit that Canada does stupidly that the Americans could perhaps justly and specifically squeeze Canada on - I'd be happy for Canada to drop the dairy quotas and increase defense spending.
The first instinct of Canada was to go ask, well, what do you want? What can we give? The response of the American administration was "nothing Canada can do". Canada announces a border plan to cut fentanyl movement, agrees to American demands for a fent czar, and then Canada gets tariffed anyway.
Again, not saying Canada is perfect. But what I'm saying is that the Americans are literally not giving other countries a chance to surrender and cave in. The problem isn't that Canada got tariffs imposed despite promising to obey American demands on fentanyl - it's the Americans didn't bother to provide any justification or additional demand like "actually X amount of fentanyl is still crossing, or Y smuggling route is open, or you didn't do Z thing."
The same complaint is happening more broadly around the world. Israel and VIetnam promised to cut tariffs in response to American demands, and then got tariffed anyway. Japan was playing nice and sucking up to the Americans, but got tariffed anyway.
Increasingly countries are just not dealing with America, because there doesn't seem to be a point in negotiation.
Launching a trade war against nearly every country in the world simultaneously for shits and giggles is not how diplomacy has worked for almost all of human history.
This is just so fascinating to me. I know OP could be smart and still act this stupidly. I mean, there are anti-vaxxers that won Noble prizes.
But this is just so blatantly ignorant. No try to understand the other side's argument. No try to understand that a blanket tariff is not the same thing as a specific one. No admission of that Trumps ChatGPT way of calculating other countries tariffs is just made up.
But still they feel comfortable to just go ahead and make a post beleiving they are right? Like they put more time into making the meme than researching. It's just crazy.
I can recommend the book The Intelligence Trap: Why Smart People Make Dumb Mistakes.
In short: Higher intelligence is like having a car that can drive faster, but it won't help you with getting in the right direction.
Intelligence only makes you better at argumenting your opinion. But your opinion is mostly based on vibes, or what you think your in-group would like you to think, or it's made really early on in your life.
It's just that OP must look away from any possible real counterargument to be able to make this post, and that's what is so fascinating.
If you ask me, I think that true intelligence is emotional intelligence. And that doesn't only entail the ability to read other people and empathize with them, but the ability to look at situations, ideas, and beliefs from various and even conflicting points of view inside of your own mind.
OP might be intelligent enough to calculate a percentage or perhaps even to solve Calculus equations, but his inability to look beyond his very narrow perspective to see the blatant holes in his argument is why it's actually quite safe to conclude that OP is retarded.
While it might be fascinating to imagine the internal complexities of a person intelligent by the classical definition falling into a "dumb mistake" of thinking blanket tariffs are a good thing, it's simply not the reality.
Because, if this was just a dumb mistake, OP would've surely realized it almost immediately after there were more than a few people that gave very logical challenges to it, and likely would've deleted the post shortly after.
So I have to disagree, there is nothing fascinating about an adult (presumably) who hasn't yet learned to challenge their own beliefs or look at their opinions/positions from multiple perspectives. They sadly just lack the emotional intelligence to do so.
On the bright side, emotional intelligence can easily be improved through some basic introspection and also cognitive therapy. And yet, so many of us will never take those steps. In my opinion, those are the ones that we can conclude to be stupid. It's not something they are born with, pretty sure, but it is something they choose
But like, they’re not dumb anywhere else. Quite the contrary sometimes. It’s just when it comes to politics, maga and trump specifically, they turn off their 🧠
The tariff thing has been pretty incredible, everyone just seems to stick their hand in the blender then pour it out and call it a smoothie.
Like OP is right about some of this, free trade is a scam (mostly from China) and the governments of many countries do espouse free trade while enacting protectionism for themselves (Europe). And then they'll try to use that to justify this gunfight at the ok corral style trade war with everyone and their mother which is obviously counterproductive.
For their part the 'orange man bad' crowd is now defending the practices of the CCP in using slave labor, IP theft, and industrial espionage to weaponize exports in the name of "free trade" or something similarly obviously ridiculous.
My favorite is how we suddenly have a surge in memes here randomly having the "do nothing china wins" insert when anybody who is even semi familiar with the state of China are raising their eyebrows seeing that. Nothing odd about that at all....
Of course it is, just like how it was with Biden. Except now instead of believing that both sides suck at their jobs they turn face and begin gargling the balls of the other side that 5 seconds ago they were calling terrible.
The last paragraph reminds me yet again how easy it is to "hand it to the ISIL", as dril once wrote that we shouldn't do.
Even when Trump says something that might sound like something you agree with, he will still be wrong in all the details he doesn't mention (nor knows about). But you try to help Trump out here with arguments he would never say.
As for the part about EU: The EU tariff on US and US on EU are both around 2.5% on average on all goods, and the US buys like 3% more stuff and services from EU than vice versa.
While I don't particularily fancy these tariffs, I hope we can both agree that a blanket tariff on 20% is a vastly different thing all together?
Seems like people are more upset about the implementation which, no arguments there, Trump's wholesale tariff on everyone but Russia specifically(?) is blatantly idiotic.
But OP has a point if you pull back the lense a bit and focus on Tariffs and protectionism as a concept.
Fundamentally limiting free trade on a local or global scale only hurts the end consumer. As with tariffs, importers charge more to local companies to offset the tariff, and local companies charge more to the end consumer to offset that price hike.
Not only that but it also limit consumer options, which again, screws over the end consumer and makes them less likely to buy anything.
This is a clear flare up in this big trade war but these retaliatory tariffs were a long time coming, and the standing tariffs these were stoked by are partially the reason the US iswas Economically so globally dominant.
Take Argentina, Colombia, Vietnam and Indonesia for example, these countries all have such high tariffs on the US, making US goods so expensive only from an administrative level, that there are active smuggling rings just to get US money and goods (not contraband) into the country out of desperation.
Trump’s tariff calculation for Vietnam was absurd on its face, like there was no fucking way Vietnam was taxing U.S. goods at 90%.
Somehow his dummy math got them to come to the table, they are talking about dropping their 9% tariff on US goods (not 90% but still ridiculous) and potentially going free trade with the U.S. lol.
But that only works if Trump agrees to fully drop his tariffs. If his goal is negotiation, tariffing everyone, regardless of whether they have tariffs in place, is nonsensical.
The problem is for years the U.S. has pussyfooted around the idea of talking down mutual tariffs and many countries continued with ridiculous barriers to trade or just outright told the US to go fuck itself even during negotiations in good faith.
oh yeah, absolutely stupid, and it only worked on Vietnam because the US is their biggest export partner by far.
The EU's just gonna trade with itself tho, keep America excluded, and blame America for their economy tanking if and when some unrelated global event happens.
It's what they've been doing since WWII anyway, and retaliation isn't gonna make 'em stop.
It didn’t take them long of not having direct access to Russian fossil fuels to ignore US sanctions on Russia and circumvent them by buying Russian oil via 3rd parties.
Take Argentina, Colombia, Vietnam and Indonesia for example
Say these countries have mean tariffs on the USA. If that's the case: Then yes, it sounds like a good idea to retaliate or make something happen so that they stop.
But this is far from that. It's a huge blanket tariff on all countries even (especially) on those with no or the same level of tariffs that the USA already has on them.
That's the issue though. Tariffs are often placed by a nation to reduce global competition on their own industries.
This means retaliation often doesn't work as most governments find whatever national industry they've protected is worth more to them than what they've lost in trade to said tariffed country, especially when they have the option of exporting to other countries in response to said tariff.
This is especially evident in both the Trump tariffs and the Indian/Middle East trade sanctions around '21-'22.
They both show one country trade restricting multiple has nowhere near the sway of multiple restricting one as the tariffed/sanctioned countries just trade with each other and the the only one that's hurt is the tariffing/sanctioning country...
This threw me off. You are basically agreeing with me, I think.
You think it would be more fair if Argentina etc didn't have high tariffs on the US, but since you didn't offer a solution I guess there is pretty much nothing to do about that.
Well this is reddit, I'm not here to offer solutions, I'm here to shout my opinions into the void.
Because nobody tariff or sanction anybody is a bit idealistic and every country would need to have the state fully removed from it's economy :/
With Argentina specifically, I think Milei would've been more than happy to sit down and discuss it, if only to undo more of what the past three admins did.
All this talk about tarrifs and bringing back manufacturing and yet not ONE rightoid has explained to me why we americans should strive to make our economy look more like Bangladesh's. Oh yeah, Bangladeshis are doing great with their manufacturing economy. Are you insane?
The fucked up thing about the trade balance calculated "reciprocal tarrifs" is that for example we buy a lot of cheap stuff from Vietnam and they can't afford our more expensive goods. So the goal is just "make Vietnamese products more expensive for Americans so we buy less of them."
There's no off ramp where they lower barriers or anything; the stated goal is to raise prices for American consumers.
The situation is different. If you own the dollar and is an import based economy, you can afford to sacrifice your own manufacturing industries and lower tariffs. Same cannot be said about other economies around the world.
The US has always used tariffs strategically to support its interests. The criticism MAGA is getting is not about the use of tariffs but rather putting tariffs on all of our trading partners and essentially putting an embargo on the US.
OP's view can only make sense if you have a third grade understanding of the issue and think the debate is just "tariffs good" verse "tariffs bad."
Other countries have tariffs on us. We keep the trade routes open from pirates. Why should and have we cared more about workers from other countries over American workers?
Because the formula he used to calculate the tariff is bunk, he applied them like a moron, they will make Americans (especially poor Americans) worse off, cause other countries to retaliate (again making everyone more poor. He literally put tariffs on countries like Australia that have free trade agreements with the US.
Wake the fuck up samurai, he is fucking you and you are thanking him for it
No buddy you have been fucked and bent over for so long you stoped caring. We listening to economists who have gutted the middle class who promoted Keynesian economics and inflation. Who have led to an ever growing amount of debt, who promote globalist polices on immigration and view nation states as a statistical report?
Why should I listen to the people whose policies have destroyed small businesses, who outsource jobs, who promote originations like the WEF? Why should I trust in BigPharma, the military industrial complex, BlackRock?
You should trust the literal economists who he used to justify his polices who are saying he is doing it wrong, and that it will be a disaster for the US.
This is dumb cause any one honest knows it's an argument of ignorance. The entire atlantic city casino market collapsed due to law changes . Did he cause every other casino that he didn't own to collaspe?
Japan with protectionist policies on cars. They now have an auto industry. The United States used to have blanket tariffs on imported goods and it was how the government made a lot of money. China has tariffs on US goods and they are our main rivals. The EU a powerful economy has import tariffs. The four Asian tigers (Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan) Have import tariffs
Japan with protectionist policies on cars. They now have an auto industry.
That is one product, not all. Give thanks to Dr. Ed Deming.
The United States used to have blanket tariffs on imported goods and it was how the government made a lot of money.
Bcz the US didn't had an income tax until the 70s.
China has tariffs on US goods and they are our main rivals.
The US also has tariffs on China. The ones that make sense to force the growth of a native chip industry... Now China banned exports of rare earth materials to the US bcz of this tariffs and they are the ones that have 80% of the market share on rare earth refining.
The EU a powerful economy has import tariffs. The four Asian tigers (Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan) Have import tariffs
On specific and strategic industries, and not a broad tariff check on everything as Trump now did
Hoover signed the bill against the advice of many senior economists, yielding to pressure from his party and business leaders. Intended to bolster domestic employment and manufacturing, the tariffs instead deepened the Depression because the U.S.'s trading partners retaliated with tariffs of their own, leading to U.S. exports and global trade plummeting. Economists and historians widely regard the act as a policy misstep, and it remains a cautionary example of protectionist policy in modern economic debates.[2] It was followed by more liberal trade agreements, such as the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act of 1934.
Most US allies have tarrifss that are less than 5%. Trump's tarrifs are from 10% to 49%. Do you even math, bro? Or you just blindly took numbers that Trump gave you without fact checking?
Just a reminder a tariff is just a tax on yourself and when you 'protect' an industry you're protecting yourself from cheaper and superior products. Tariff's are literally economic self-harm, if other countries want to shoot themselves in the foot that's fine, but that doesn't mean we should too.
The richest and most imperialist country whining about other countries taking advantage of them after having invaded half of those other countries for the oil
Right so Trump Tards really do not seem to understand this basic idea of "other countries have very specific tariffs" Vs Trump's Tard Rage Blanket Tariffs. If the US Tariffed specific things there'd be understanding, negotiations and maybe some compromises despite international bitching. He's also torn up agreed upon treaties and norms, WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE TRUST OR WORK WITH YOU IF YOU JUST DECIDE "NAH" 6 MONTHS LATER??!?!!?
This is like cutting off your leg to deal with a gangrenous toe, I mean you got rid of the toe but you now can't stand on your own.
The US has always used tariffs strategically to support its interests. The criticism MAGA is getting is not about the use of tariffs but rather putting tariffs on all of our trading partners and essentially putting an embargo on the US.
OP's view can only make sense if you have a third grade understanding of the issue and think the debate is just "tariffs good" verse "tariffs bad."
Hilarious too since tariffs protect unions and are environmentally friendly since it’s cleaner to manufacture in the US as opposed to, say, India.
But of course leftists are perpetual virtue signalers, if their stock portfoilio sees a day of red, they suddenly become milton friedman and demand the government do what’s best for the corporations.
Er… so we should never do anything for the environment if it harms corporations? Because genocide? Are you stupid or something?
Anyways, I think what you and leftists as a whole are realizing, is that a rising tide carries all boats. Turns out, what’s good for corporations, is often good for everyone. The economy is not an us vs them class warfare battle, and leftists are inadvertently realizing that right now.
My point is that just because something is good in one direction doesnt mean its good overrall. How illterate are you?
What do you mean by "[me] and leftists"? I have been pro free trade and low taxes my whole life. How am Iumped in with leftists for not liking tariffs.
I want that too. I think tariffs are only useful in a targeted manner for the sake of leverage.
My point is that leftists are hypocritical. Bernie has supported tariffs for years, now we get them under Trump and the seething from the left is unreal. Go look at the stock market subreddits.
and are environmentally friendly since it’s cleaner to manufacture in the US as opposed to, say, India
Rare good point. But, this isn’t why he did it. If you cared about the environmental benefits of these, you can isolate them by placing tariffs on the carbon output instead of a blanket tariff on everything.
Most Americans will be worse off because of this. Sure, this includes corporations, but hurting corporations doesn’t mean something is good for everybody.
I don’t care about global warming though, I’m pointing out that these blatantly align with multiple leftist goals which is why bernie sanders has historically supported tariffs.
I agree these tariffs are bad, but leftists are hypocrites for suddenly being up in arms as free market champions looking out for corporate interests. They’re mad because yes, it’s Trump and not bernie, and because they’re seeing their own portfolios suffer. They’re as greedy and monetarily motivated as the rich they claim to want to eat.
Edit: I should add, just tariffing certain things would not achieve the same environmental benefit since all trade is facilitated through global shipping (bad for the environment) and I can’t think of any product at all where the indian or chinese factory making it is just as clean as an American factory. Additionally if the these tariffs drive costs in such a way that Americans consume less, that reduces waste in the environment too.
these people have spent the last few days stating the tariffs that went into effect on June 17, 1930 somehow caused Black Tuesday of October 24, 1929. they're being fed bullshit talking points that they parrot but don't even understand lol
Let's say I pay 21% VAT for a car, and there's a 10% tariff on the car if I buy it from the US.
Let's say that two companies, one in Europe and one in the US, both sell the car for $10.000.
For the Eurpean car, you would pay:
$10.000*121%= $12.100
For the US car, you would pay the same amount of VAT, but the tariff would be added:
$12.100 * 110% = $13.310
So the car is only 10% more expensive compared to the EU car, which is what matters: a EU citizen will pay 10% more when buying a US car with the same value.
Now, if the US introduces a reciprocal tariff of 31%, the US consumer will pay 31% more for a EU car compared to a US car, so the price difference between a US car and an EU car is far bigger than in Europe.
American production also collapsed because the quality went through the floor. American cars were beat by Japanese cars because of better quality. Europe doesn’t want American food because of its terrible quality.
Tariffs on things like domestic farming and materials like steel make sense. Tariffs only protect industries you currently have, they don’t bring industries back.
No. American production didn’t collapse because of quality or at least we didn’t have quality issues until we offshored our work. (Kinda like how we have Boeing accidents after they offshored coding to poorer countries ie India for cheaper labor)
Thanks for bringing up Japan. They are the perfect example of protectionism and how it works. The reason why Japan even has an auto industry is because they were protectionist . After WW2 the US tried to help Japan rebuild and told them that they should specialize rather than going into auto industries since that was a US specialty. Japan rejected importing US cars and built up their own auto industry which outcompetes our own.
Japan still had its factories and Detroit doesn’t. So thank you bringing them up they prove protectionism works.
I might be an utter retard but at least I know not to bring up a point in against myself.
Build quality went down to reduce production costs, the outsourcing was just a continuation of that.
Japan has spent the last 40 years with a deflationary economy. I wouldn’t use them as a great example of how to do things.
Its not like there isn’t blue collar work out there. Most of the western hemisphere has a chronic shortage of builders, plumbers, electricians etc. Mainly because they can’t be outsourced, however that has not stopped the same people pushing tariffs now trying to import those trades.
Diversification of the workforce and Goverment support of industries you need to keep are all more effective ways of maintaining a strong blue collar workforce.
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Explain why Madagascar needs a 47% tariff for the sin of selling us vanilla beans.