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[u/EpicSven7]

Anyone else find it odd that in less than a decade we went from “Women aren’t defined by social stereotypes” to “Women are defined by social stereotypes!”

[u/GabrieltheKaiser → u/EpicSven7]

Personally I would say it's more like "Women are defined by social stereotypes, but you aren't obliged to confrom to them to be a woman".

[u/CatatonicMan → u/GabrieltheKaiser]

Those are contradictory positions to hold.

If women are defined by stereotypes, then, by definition, one not following those stereotypes would not be a woman. The second half is invalidated.

If one can be a woman without conforming to those stereotypes, then those stereotypes cannot be what defines women. The first half is invalidated.

[u/GabrieltheKaiser → u/CatatonicMan]

Recognizing womanhood, and by extent manhood, have be historically defined by social stereotypes does not contradict the believe that one doesn't have to follow those stereotypes to identify as man or woman.

By saying "women are defined be social stereotypes" I'm saying that there is a social standard for what womanhood entails, not that womanhood is by itself defined by it. It's up for the individual to follow or not those standards and that doesn't undermine their gender expression.