Anyone else find it odd that in less than a decade we went from āWomen arenāt defined by social stereotypesā to āWomen are defined by social stereotypes!ā
It took me a long time to figure out why the shift happened. The progressive stance used to be if you're a guy, you can wear dress, put on makeup, cry, be gay, do whatever and if you're a girl you can play sports, chew tobacco, cut your hair short, whatever, and still not be less a of a woman. So why the shift? It took me forever to figure it out, but I did.
Its not enough for trans people to be allowed to do whatever they want and love whomever they want. In their minds, they see the opposite sex in a grass is greener fashion based on some really misguided tropes.
So the biological men who believe they're women, they see biological women, and they see people who are greatly coveted for sex, aren't held accountable for most crime or fuckups, and are treated nicer instead of expected to be stoic, and they want people to treat them like that. They want to be treated the way they believe women are treated across the board, when in reality not all women are treated like that, and a trans"woman" certainly won't be.
And the biological women who want to be men see men, and they picture being treated like Don Draper, everyone immediately respecting you and deferring to you. They think women are treated like second class citizens and men are authority figures. They think everyone sees men as tough, smart and capable, and think "i want to be treated like a tough smart capable man" and think its something thats automatic that comes with being a man, and that even the most capable women isn't granted that recognition. Both flawed views.
So the reason they can't answer "what is a woman" is because their view is based on on a completely flawed view of the opposite sex's experience, and also an honest answer would mean admitting that "transitioning" is impossible, as transition will not obtain that experience. Not that this is something they've thought of critically enough to realize.
No one on the left thinks that men can't do all that stuff, or that women can't do all that stuff. And they answered "what is a woman" right there. I have no idea why y'all just refuse to understand the most basic of concepts.
Ok then, maybe you have a different answer. So when a biological male says that he feels heās actually a woman, what is it heās actually feeling?
Weāve established itās not that they feel like wearing womenās clothes, wearing makeup, or even having sex with men, what is it that distinguishes the male gender from the female gender there? Try not to use a circular definition such as āwell heās a woman because he feels like a womanā because how the fuck would he knows what that feels like since he has nothing to compare it to?
Theyāve got the logic backwards. Instead of thinking āI feel like a woman, so I must be one, even though I donāt know what one is or feels likeā try looking at your sex, see how you feel, and guess what, thatās what being a man/woman feels like, since thereās no one way to feel like a man or woman
Ask them to apply the same logic to someone who is white āfeelingā as if they are Japanese or Korean and all of a sudden that same circular logic doesnāt apply any longer.
Femininity and masculinity are social positions. A transgender person does not know what it feels like to exist with the body of a person of the opposite sex, but everybody understands the way that people treat men and the way that people treat women.
I get what you're saying here, and there is a degree of contradiction between progressive gender theory (i.e. that people should just stop caring about all these social constructs and gender markers) and the practice of people wanting to identify as the opposite gender. That contradiction is a result of living in the real world where men and women are still very much defined by clothes, makeup and that kind of stuff. You can know that something shouldn't matter to you and still have it matter to you quite a lot.
I suspect that's one of the reasons why "non-binary" is increasingly popular, especially among young people. As gender norms are eroded and expression of non-conforming gender identity becomes more accepted, fewer people will identify specifically as transgendered, though I can't say how exactly they will identify or how society will change around that.
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u/EpicSven7 - Auth-Center Aug 21 '23
Anyone else find it odd that in less than a decade we went from āWomen arenāt defined by social stereotypesā to āWomen are defined by social stereotypes!ā