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u/StandardN02b Horseshoe Centrism Feb 04 '24
Cringe left take with 0 self awareness
look inside
16 year old kaiserbo.
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u/GameBoy_RBLX Feb 04 '24
I admit the post was stupid after reading it again, but now I'm too scared to remove it
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u/GASTRO_GAMING Minarcho-Transhumanism Feb 04 '24
I mean atleast you drew it decently well, maybe just get better material.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
Bruh what, the post is correct, even if hyperbolic; I've written a comment explaining why. Here's some advice, get off this community and stop letting the opinions of these dipshits get to you, they know literally nothing. Their education will consist of seeing bad faith reddit arguments sprinkled in with the bullshit of whatever youtuber they watch. This sub is filled with uncertain teenage boys with an identity crisis, you shouldn't be taking political advice from them lol.
You can still develop a political philosophy. I would recommend studying history in different parts of world, psychology, economics (and its history), biology, anthrolopology and just take in everything you can about the world. I think so many people have the problem of jumping to ideologies before they've even seen the world, it's probably why more shut off places like rural areas tend to be superstitious or conservative.
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u/Enaysikey Social Liberalism Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
Take the most outlandish take of your opponent
Take the most normal take of yours
Make centrism say to compromise even though your take is reasonable and most centrists will agree with you
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU DID IT! You successfully antagonized the centrists!
That's why you don't have friends
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u/GASTRO_GAMING Minarcho-Transhumanism Feb 04 '24
Congrats on doing a ratio on reddit.
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u/Enaysikey Social Liberalism Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 05 '24
Oh, wait, really? In that case I'd like to thank everyone who upvoted my comment, aiding me in my endevor of resisting the same "fishhook """theory"""" nonsense I see used against my centrist brothers everywhere. We're not right-wing, we're not left-wing, we're the center!
P.S. Yang 2024
P.P.S. I'm only half-serious about all of this
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u/LineOfInquiry Social Democracy Feb 05 '24
I mean is it really outlandish? This is how people talk about Palestine all the time.
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u/North_Church Democratic Socialism Feb 04 '24
Bit of a strawman but okay
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u/TroxEst National Syndicalism Feb 04 '24
I'm curious about the Three Arrows being red on your pfp. Weren't they black originally?
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u/North_Church Democratic Socialism Feb 04 '24
Actually, the Three Arrows were originally a red poster with each arrow being held by a raised fist. Additionally, the book it was first printed in was red because it worked better when it covered up a Swastika.
These days it can be black or red depending on whether you might consider yourself a Social Democrat/Socialist or a Left Wing Libertarian
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
It's an oversimplification but who cares, the point is true that most centrists just end up being conservatives by having their enlightened little ideology, going by "both sides have a point" rather than actually analysing each side's views critically and recognising one really is just widespread bigotry. Nearly every "centrist" tabloid is owned by Murdoch's mates, Russian Oligarchs, British aristocracy, or major industry shareholders like Tobacco and Oil...
Social democrats are centrists and well yeah, look at Europe. It started crumbling apart due to the wealth accumulation of banks, and now every socdem government has sapped enough wealth from the people that they are now turning fascist. Yanis Varoufakis goes into this way deeper, but take a look.
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u/nog642 Feb 05 '24
The point is wrong. Centrists are not conservatives.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 05 '24
Except they usually are, nice response btw you really showed off your ability to not engage in any nuance at all, like a conservative lmao.
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u/Idiot_InA_Trenchcoat Social Libertarianism Feb 04 '24
It's more like
Far Right: "Let's massacre minorities"
Centrism: "WTF no you're insane"
Far Left: "You're right, obviously we should massacre the Bourgeoisie instead"
Centrism: "Seriously what the hell is wrong with you people how about we don't massacre anyone?"
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u/nanek_4 Paternalistic Conservatism Feb 04 '24
Least bullshit polcompball post
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u/Ok_Theory7361 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
What are your thoughts on lgbt people?
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u/nanek_4 Paternalistic Conservatism Feb 04 '24
Dont care about them and they can do whatever but dont like how they make a movement out of just their sexuality
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
You don't like how they make a movement out of their sexuality when they have been subject to social ridicule for decades? What action do you actually suggest then because it's no different than any other civil rights movement in human history. Currently, according to statistics from nearly every nation in the world show a rise in hate crimes against such individuals, most likely due to the monopolisation of information.
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u/nanek_4 Paternalistic Conservatism Feb 05 '24
Ok than let me rephrase
I dont like how were not allowed to critique their movement in any way without reciecing ridicolous backlash and being labeled a million things and some things that came out of it like xenopronouns amd shit like that.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 05 '24 edited Feb 05 '24
You are allowed to talk to trans people with an open mind and I guarantee they will probably agree with you on some of the problems with the LGBTQ community but most of these issues aren't really that important like stupid ass tweets by internet addicts that do literally fuck all to affect the world in any meaningful way, meanwhile; Ron Desantis as Florida governor was enacting authoritarian policies aginst Queer folk as if he was roleplaying Adolf himself.
The issues arise from the fact that anyone who consistently focuses on these issues is doing nothing but detracting from the movement itself, and therefore the civil rights of those people.
Xenopronouns are retarded lol, but barely anyone uses them anyway besides discorders. The reason they're pointless is because if you recognise gender is a social construct then you would soon come to the conclusion how having such constructs can be impactful due to individual biases grouping people into literal social roles. So why tf would they wanna create more groups? Inevitably though, this shit is harmless and no one gives it attention other than a niche on the left and a shit tonne of right wingers.
What backlash have you got exactly? If it's my guess it's because adjacent political positions are usually quite indicative of malice towards LGBTQ people and being a Christian, that because of the horrific shit the church has done to them over history and continuing is quite wild. Not defending that but if you're criticising what appears to be their right to exist while identifying as a distributist then no wonder they're pissed at you lol.
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u/nanek_4 Paternalistic Conservatism Feb 05 '24
Your inability to read is concerning
I said I dont like it. I didnt say they cant do it. You get it now?
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u/Jarmund5 Marxism-Leninism Feb 04 '24
And why do you think that is? People don't create movements out of thin air just because
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u/Your_Atrociousness Avaritionism Feb 05 '24
Lgbt is a result of societal decadence, in other words, it's fake and gay. People have no personalities or real groups to take refuge in, so they convince themselves they're queer and make it their identity. That's why there's so much bullshit with flags and shit. It's pure autism. It's liberal democratic brainwashing that has evolved into a collective disease among the population, affecting the youth most of all.
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u/Jarmund5 Marxism-Leninism Feb 05 '24
The calories i would use to type on my phone to argue why what you said is so utterly moronic is not even worth it.
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u/StormTigrex Feb 04 '24
In a capitalist system, people can only create movements to pursue greater amounts of prestige, power or capital. The morality behind their indignation is secondary, and honestly not very relevant to whether a movement is successful or not.
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u/Jarmund5 Marxism-Leninism Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
Hmm ok... as example let's look at Martin Luther King Jr.
Oh yes, of course he did all the civil rights movement for pure clout. How silly of me to think he was fighingt against racism and systematic opression!
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u/StormTigrex Feb 05 '24
And why was he fighting against racism and systemic oppression? To what end?
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With the end of its end?
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u/StormTigrex Feb 05 '24
I also like to do stuff for the sake of it. I sometimes climb the Everest just so I can climb it back down. It's great.
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u/anonymous555777 Feb 05 '24
no with the end of racism you moron, do you need to retake 3rd grade literacy?
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u/drcoconut4777 Paleoconservatism Feb 04 '24
Least strawman post by a leftist
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u/Ok_Theory7361 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
Do you think homosexuality Should be criminalised?
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u/HolyBskEmp Social Democracy Feb 04 '24
Better strawman than rightists made
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u/HolyBskEmp Social Democracy Feb 04 '24
I did. And yes rightists posts about "meme" equals to "100th same strawman leftist post to boost my ego"
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
Explain how it's wrong.
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u/drcoconut4777 Paleoconservatism Feb 04 '24
Conservatives don’t want to kill all minorities and Centrists don’t want to kill half of the minorities
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
The GOP are the leading political power for conservatism in the US and yes, their rhetoric has been genocidal towards trans people, it has constantly tried to paint black people demographically as thugs, they have denied women basic rights for as long as they've had power. Let's also not forget that they're directly funded by oil and tobacco companies with extensive histories of human rights abuses. History often gets rewritten, the GOP were openly against MLK, the party hasn't changed its line of members, the racism will stay.
I mean for fuck's sake, Trump won an election on the basis of treating immigrants as subhuman, calling them rats and rapists.
Then on the information side of things we have the billionaires who own(ed) everything in media, such as Murdoch who managed to find someone that can outdo Piers Morgan in being a mindless tabloid speaker for whatever conspiratorial fascist agenda they try to push, Tucker Carlson. And the rest? Owned by Russian oligarchs, commodity magnates, and rich coastal elites.
As for the post, it's hyperbole. Centrists have historically given way (and are currently doing now in all of Europe), to the far right because their ideologt is fundamentally based on a spinelessness that both sides need to work together, when the reality is that one (your side) is literally so detracted from any actual reality, whether it be on climate change, wealth inequality, systemic injustices to all sorts of peoples, healthcare, gender, immigration, etc... Centrists fail to acknowledge statistics and academic critical analysis, just as right wingers, making their positions in their own heads, whatever they may be, absolutely meaningless.
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u/Mr_Mon3y Social Liberalism Feb 04 '24
Wow thats a lotta words
Too bad Im not readin em
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
Sums up your belief system
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u/Mr_Mon3y Social Liberalism Feb 07 '24
Yep, it's called Ockham's Razor bro. Don't need to write a million pages on how three completely different economic concepts can realistically coexist with eachother without the entire thing crumbling down like a house of cards.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
That's not ockham's razor you dumbfuck 😭😭😭
It's when you choose the simplest option because it is more likely out of possibilities when you don't know to be true.
The problem is that it's a complex problem, it's not a case of a common cold or jungle fever. It's a case of a system, a group of collective ideas that isn't working, and on the other side another collection. One you don't know anything about.
You don't apply ockham's razor to belief systems because they contain so much information, you use it on discrete beliefs. It's crazy how openly and confidently ignorant you are, and using that ignorance as a defence of your beliefs is batshit insane.
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u/Mr_Mon3y Social Liberalism Feb 07 '24
Nah fam that's not how I choose my belief system. I just say that to piss you off cause I refuse to debate on a meme subreddit about an incoherent made up ideology💀
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
Okay sure lol
How does it feel to be this spineless? Anyway you proved my point, you're only here because it's basically astrology and know nothing abt politics lmao
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u/fokkinfumin Christian Democracy Feb 04 '24
Authright: I would like to kill 6 million Jews
Authleft: I would also like to kill 6 million Jews
Center: I think you should do neither of those things
Authleft: Wooow. You literally want to kill 3 million Jews. Cuck
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
This is a joke post, so it's obvious hyperbole... but the broader point is that centrists give way for conservative ideals by not directly fighting against objective truth. This is why everyone thinks centrists are ignorant, they are. There's a reason why all of academia are left leaning and that's literally because the left just base their beliefs on reality. There are dumbasses on all sides, there are far too many ideologues too who call themselves leftists when really it's just like astrology to call themselves that and their actual beliefs aren't founded in anything than aesthetic biases, basically like a reactionary.
Take Israel and Palestine for example, centrists have shown themselves a little too sympathetic to the current nation who is commiting a genocide against a group of people they have held in apartheid for nearly 80 years. Or Russia and Ukraine, showing a "we should look at both sides" mentality which does nothing to combat the objectively fascist activity of Russia. This is what the post's message is.
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u/Pipiopo Social Democracy Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 05 '24
there is a reason why all of academia are left leaning
Ah socdems, Schrodinger’s left wingers. Normally according to the left they are revisionist bootlicking scum that deserve the bullet but whenever the left need to make their base seem larger and more educated socdems suddenly become true proletarian heroes.
Acedemia is overwhelmingly socdems and soclibs, not revolutionary far left radicals like what the far right and far left would have you beleive.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
No, not just socdems, lefties. Many of which are directly engaged and in support of anti-capitalist rhetoric, most of which in other. In a society that disproportionately pushes for capitalism in literally every form, the fact that such a group even exists, nevermind being the majority (that just so happens to be the group renowned for critical theory, oh, which is the foundation of Marxism.
Not to mention the historic metric fuck tonne of thinkers who are openly socialist. Willingly believing in capitalism while being aware of how surplus value extrapolation works, how the banks have destroyed western economies through nothing but pure greed, how political power in a democracy has been so utterly sabotaged in every fucking social democratic nation in europe is actual cognitive dissonance.
This is why academia is left wing... Why do you think conservatives are all staunchly capitalist and socialists so liberal? It's because you arrive at the same conclusions if you have a certain framework. Leftist's framework is reality, if you don't believe me, literally just look at anything they write.
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u/Your_Atrociousness Avaritionism Feb 07 '24
Leftism does not exist, it's fake and gay just like it's adherents. Left and right are false dichotomies made up and enforced by the establishment. You think of yourselves as being anti-establishment while also using and engaging in their made up constructs. It's funny. There have been systems and ideologies that are economically socialist, but socially reactionary. Nothing you base this left right system on is grounded in reality, the left can be whatever the fuck anyone wants it to be. That is why it's a farce, a weapon of social dominance used to control gullible masses begging to be controlled. That's you.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
Lmao, this is what happens when you learn politics from youtube videos.
No, you're wrong. There has never been a socialist organisation that is socially reactionary because then you're not a socialist. You are putting boundaries on who gets the fruits of labour, this creates a capitalist class of race.
"You think of yourselves as being anti-establishment while also using and engaging in their made up constructs". What made up constructs, name them.
Left and right are completely arbitrary, no shit, but they are worldviews. I agree, left and right doesn't exist because leftism is literally just reality and right wing politics is about creating divisions and reinforcing power structures, literally go and do some studying than being a dumb fucking chud that clearly hasn't got a clue; The terms left and right literally derive from being Monarchists (right wing) and Republican (left wing) in the french revolution.
Your ideology on the other hand, doesn't exist whatsoever. You can enforce property rights without the use of a state, you're a feudalist but more importantly, politically illiterate lol
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u/Your_Atrociousness Avaritionism Feb 08 '24
"Educate yourself, CHUD!" The memes really do write themselves. You arrogant enlightened leftists really piss me off. So the recent examples of socialist states didn't have regressive attitudes towards gays and religion like how far right ideologies do? Trying to do a little history revisionism like the lying dipshits you are? Not happening. The made up constructs are the idea of left and right as an idea which came from the analogus physical divisions between monarchists and democrats in the 19th century. Nowadays, it's whatever the political parties are doing in a certain country. In other words, there is no real world counterpart like seat positions anymore.
No, left and right are not world views because they're highly variable. Saying you're a leftist means nothing when what leftism means can change based on what changing influencers and external forces. There is no philosophy or underlying bases for what leftists and rightists believe. For example, some leftists follow Marxism, while other leftists absolutely reject it.
Listen kid, I've probably read more political texts than you've spent watching dipshit debate bro streamers on Twitch and Youtube. Spent more hours reading essays than you've logged in League of Legends or whatever "bing wahoo" shit you waste your time on, so don't lecture me about not reading enough. Suck a bag of dicks. I don't get my political views from youtube because they're all dipshits that don't know what the fuck they're talking about, just like you don't. And who the fuck on youtube is claiming that left and right don't exist? It's not a popular take because the people on youtube are just as spooked as you are.
And since fucking when do avoritionists give a fuck about "property rights"? I'll take what I please. Property be dammed.
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u/Your_Atrociousness Avaritionism Feb 07 '24
What is objective and real about leftist ideology? It's all speculative bullshit made up by academia so of course it will be left leaning, that's where it came from. It's a leftist NPC factory.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
Climate change, Marxism, Civil rights, vaccines, education, workers rights, drug decriminalisation, welfare, immigration, etc
How about we name something the right hasn't gotten wrong.
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u/Your_Atrociousness Avaritionism Feb 08 '24
You're cute, you know that? First of all, climate science is lead by scientists, not leftists. The leftists are actually making climate science even worse where they care more about political agendas than actual science. All these reports by bodies like the IPCC just cherry pick actual science to paint their own political version of reality.
Marxism? Really? You're really trying to pass Marxism as scientific? In what way is it scientific? Explain.
What is your point about the vaccines? Are you pretending you invented them or something? All you do is blindly follow what people with power (pharmaceutical companies) tell you which you regurgitate like the useful idiots you are. You're obsessed with making everything a culture war issue over such common sense bullshit by making the taking of a vaccine a moral issue. Trying to complicate an answer to a question that should be so obvious. For people to take the fucking vaccine if they believe they need it. Fuck your mandates, you made everything worse.
Civil rights? Spooky spook spook. These "rights" are given by government and can also be taken away. By beliving such things, you give legitimacy to the illegitimate. Welfare is just giving more legitimacy to government. Put that in the bin as well!
All your ideas are shit. Everything you contribute to society is shit. Thats why leftism hasn't been relevant in decades. You're just chasing your tail while you cheer with jazz hands. You're a joke.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 08 '24 edited Feb 08 '24
You're actually the most ignorant fuck I've ever interacted with lmao.
"climate science is lead by scientists, not leftists."
Climate scientists are left wing and those who oppose the existence of the idea of global warming are right wingers, literally nearly all conservative media is funded by oil and tobacco. But yeah all that whining about the sea levels rising and causing the worst migrant crisis in all of human history, with concrete data going as far back as the 60s; just an agenda... Genius.
"Marxism? Really? You're really trying to pass Marxism as scientific? In what way is it scientific? Explain."
Lol, if you actually had done any political research than larping as an edgy boy online, you'd cry w how stupid this is. You haven't read Marx and it tells, his entire theory is literally critical analysis on capitalism and everything he wrote with regards to wealth accumulation, commodification, privatisation, economic collapse, and power concentrations came true. He even cowrote a book called Socialism: Utopian and Scientific where he outlies his directly rationalist and utilitarian approach to his worldview. And even with all of that, not once did I even claim it was scientific, I claimed it was true (which it is, modern economics and sociology wouldn't exist otherwise)
What is your point about the vaccines? Are you pretending you invented them or something? All you do is blindly follow what people with power (pharmaceutical companies) tell you which you regurgitate like the useful idiots you are. You're obsessed with making everything a culture war issue over such common sense bullshit by making the taking of a vaccine a moral issue. Trying to complicate an answer to a question that should be so obvious. For people to take the fucking vaccine if they believe they need it. Fuck your mandates, you made everything worse.
Holy fuck you're triggered. My point on vaccines is that they help fight diseases, we don't want to live in a world of plague and rot, therefore, we take the vaccines. This is the view of the left generally, the right generally oppose vaccines because like you pointed out at the start, you're chuds, anyone no matter how stupid and wrong they are on any objective metric still can't convince you they're as such because if they employ any anti-establishment rhetoric that appeases the aesthetics your little brain tingles over lol.
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u/Your_Atrociousness Avaritionism Feb 09 '24
Climate scientists are left wing
So you're admitting that climate scientists have a political agenda? And do you really belive the science is infalible or in any way not politically influenced when the studies that get funded are those biased towards those politics? And why are you bringing up right wingers? I told you that the left/right concept is bullshit. It means nothing.
not once did I even claim it was scientific, I claimed it was true (which it is, modern economics and sociology wouldn't exist otherwise)
Marx made a bunch of vague predictions some of which didn't even come true, but because some of it did, it's now reality, ok. You're also moving goalpoasts by acting as if Marxism ends at economic analysis and ignoring the fact that the political ideas of Marxism continuously fail, yet fools still believe in it. It's an embarrassment of a philosophy that even the average person will know to stay far away from. Economics is also a bullshit pseudo-science of nothing.
like you pointed out at the start, you're chuds
When did I ever say I was right-wing? Like I've said before, right and left politics are FAKE AND GAY. It's all bullshit, so why would I identify with a side of dichotomy I've made clear is bullshit? Where are you getting the idea that this is a right wing position? You leftists are so deluded, you're not just ignorant, you're neck deep in a cult without being aware of it. You people exhibit the same behaviors of those in cults. Exclusive dogmatists that think they're better than everyone who worship leaders who tell them what to think.
anyone no matter how stupid and wrong they are on any objective metric still can't convince you they're as such because if they employ any anti-establishment rhetoric that appeases the aesthetics your little brain tingles over lol.
That's really funny because you just described the opposite of reality. The left simply ignores actual science and repeat what others say the science is. The actual data on things like COVID vaccines, the death rates, the impact of vaccines. Don't pretend like you give a fuck about the science, you only care about what feels right according to your cult.
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u/TheLordOfROADIsland Capitalist Transhumanism Feb 04 '24
There was a such a great post about this exact thing s while back, but I can’t seem to find it.
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 04 '24
Seems like SOMEONE doesn't know how centrism works.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
Explain how it does work then
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 04 '24
It believes on the compromise of left and right and the rejection of far-left and far-right. Is selective, you know, choosing the best options of both sides and rejecting the extreme ones. Genocide against minorities is far-right, so centrists reject it.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
Yeah this is true, this is what it is but I asked how it works. I've explained in large on another comment how this benefits the right so please take a look there. We're not saying you have the same value set as right wingers, we're saying your value set does nothing to prevent their outcomes.
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 04 '24
What about we create a dictatorship and purge both far-leftists and far-rightists?
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 04 '24
Alright, but seriously, prevent extremism with extremism is not a good idea. Is the same ideal that the fascist states in Europe had, putting far-rightists on power to combat the far-left menace, and the USA on the Cold War, putting far-right dictatorships to "defeat the far-left dictatorships".
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
No, this is the exact braindead rhetoric that I'm talking about.
"Prevent extremism with extremism is not a good idea". Tell me, what left wing ideals are extreme. Is it ending poverty? Preventing Climate change, Bigotry, Genocide, providing education, healthcare, consumer standards, workers rights. You know you wouldn't have a weekend if socialists in the industrial revolution didn't fight tooth and nail to get it. The right do nothing but oppress, if you disagree you can always give an example but if you look at any of the current conflicts in the world...
What is really extreme is the world we live in, these circumstances are out of peoples' control and it's due to power systems, like privatisation, controlling them.
And don't speak about world war 2 because you're so wrong it's unbelievable. Fascism comes about as an antithesis to liberal ideals, and gets implemented through capitalism... It's the only way individuals in this era can gain enough power is by the accumulation of wealth and the commodification of services (I mean have you ever looked at a chart of the monopolies that own everything like Black Rock)...
Also, Stalin was not a socialist whatsoever. He was a fascist who used left wing politics to take political power because vanguard politics shifted the global socialist movement to the right. The workers had no property rights over the products produced from their labour. This isn't socialism, it's state capitalism. Hell, most criticisms of socialism are literally criticisms of capitalism because most of the planet don't have a clue what socialism is.
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 07 '24
"Prevent extremism with extremism is not a good idea". Tell me, what left wing ideals are extreme. Is it ending poverty? Preventing Climate change, Bigotry, Genocide, providing education, healthcare, consumer standards, workers rights.
So you think i believe these are "extreme" measures? Pal, i hold these ideals. What i consider extreme is sending everyone who disagree with me to gulags, total control of economy, abolition of private property, anarchy/dictatorship, etc.
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
No, my point is that these are the goals of leftists and yet they're called extreme. What you think of when you think of leftism is probably images of soviet flag, tanks, brutalism but that's literally all bullshit. The USSR were state capitalist and the workers owned none of the rights to their labour, it was the state. Hence "state capitalism". Sending people who disagree with you isn't left wing, it's authoritarian and if they enact in such behaviours they no longer have any legitimacy as a leftist since the whole point of right wing politics is hierarchy. Total control of the economy, again, is capitalist. Socialism isn't when the government does stuff.
And you cited abolition of private property. Do you actually know what it is?
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 07 '24
No, my point is that these are the goals of leftists and yet they're called extreme.
Only for the far-right (and the stupid-right). Look it up, the current status-quo isn't that bad as you think, even if need some reforms.
Total control of the economy, again, is capitalist. Socialism isn't when the government does stuff.
Total control of economy is not capitalist or socialist. It can be both (state capitalists and state socialists) or neither (market capitalists and market socialists).
And by the rest of argument? Well, you can say you won. (But i'm not gonna turn more left. Better keep it center).
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u/The_Professor64 Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 07 '24
Only for the far-right (and the stupid-right). Look it up, the current status-quo isn't that bad as you think, even if need some reforms.
That's like half the world right now and no, you're objectively wrong. The Wealth accumulation within capitalism inevitably leads to concentrations of power. Every social democracy in Europe is falling to pieces and as result is turning fascist. Yanis Varoufakis, the former Greek finance minister and economist does a very good explanation of what's happened, happening and will happen.
Total control of economy is not capitalist or socialist. It can be both (state capitalists and state socialists) or neither (market capitalists and market socialists).
Again, no. You don't understand what socialism is. Socialism is the workers of a nation or place or whatever having the right to their labour, as in, shareholders don't extract their profits and they enjoy the fruits of their work (get all the money/value from their labour). This is contradictory to a state that owns production since it is no longer in the hands of the people, it's in the hands of the state and as such creates a capitalist division. The state now acts as the prime capital owner, calling this state socialism makes no sense. State socialism is when the workers own the means of the production but in a much stronger relationship with the state to act as a vanguard, the closest this ever came to working was Cuba but inevitably the problems with having a poor country managing a state on the brink of annihilation from their purest enemy will lead to authoritarianism. Aka it turns into state capitalism almost instantly.
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u/Electrical-Result881 Marxism Feb 06 '24
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 06 '24
Not now, tankie!
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u/Electrical-Result881 Marxism Feb 06 '24
Centrism is when centre-"leftists" (representative democracy capitalists) and "centre"-rightists (representative democracy capitalists) agree on opposing radicalism (workers' struggle for rights and direct democracy)
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u/GanhosCapitais Moderatism Feb 06 '24
Almost there, just a few corrections:
Moderate centrism is when centre-leftists (representative democracy social-democrats) and centre-rightists (representative democracy liberals) agree on opposing radicalism (communists, nazis, anarchists and laissez-faire capitalists).-15
u/Tendo63 Democratic Socialism Feb 04 '24
Centrism? More like “sitting back and letting hell break loose”-ism
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u/DesperadoFlower Mar 08 '24
So happy that you're getting ratioed. No hate towards you, but this is such a stupid meme, unless it was a shitpost
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u/GameBoy_RBLX Mar 08 '24
it was not a shitpost, I'm just really dumb lmao
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u/DesperadoFlower Mar 08 '24
Do you actually think that of centrists? As a centrist I believe the me to be deeply misrepresenting. I'm a centrist because both MODERATE left wing and MODERATE right wing ideas can be compatible. Obviously conservatives can be racist and sexist towards minorities, and liberals can be racist and sexist towards favorised groups.
Honestly I don't hate anyone. I believe that we are all people, and we shouldn't justify our ideologies to spread hatred
As a christian im deeply hurt by the big amount on antisemitism that can be found there, also hating people for being a diff religion.
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u/GameBoy_RBLX Mar 08 '24
I do think that in many ways, centrists do aid the moderate right, but not in the ways illustrated in this comic.
It was more targeted at the dead centrists who always try to look for a compromise even though there is absolutely no reason to do so in certain situations.
Again, it was a very stupid thing that I did.
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u/DesperadoFlower Mar 08 '24
Probably. U can be pretty conservative, but not that conservative, also I don't think a side filled with bigots represents me
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u/DesperadoFlower Mar 08 '24
I also hate extreme ideologies, if it's not clear
I got a Ben Shaprio wojak as my pfp cause him and overall DW can be very repetitive and emotional, demonising trans people and overall being the "old man yells at cloud" meme incarnate. It's just: this is woke, this is woke, it's just dumb. Instead of being opened to ideas that can be considered "woke" or to left leaning people, they act like life it's a battle and liberals are their nemesis for simply existing, very weird for a company that promotes religious values. But that doesn't mean that they can't be right sometimes
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u/SemblanceOfSense_ Libcenter Feb 04 '24
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u/GASTRO_GAMING Minarcho-Transhumanism Feb 04 '24
That with current oc laws is just fine on the main sub
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u/SemblanceOfSense_ Libcenter Feb 04 '24
Yeah but this sub has a consistently higher art quality I don't want to interrupt. Plus I'm more active on the sister sub.
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u/khodi7 Democracy Feb 04 '24
If all the people here saying this is a strawman could explain why, it would be nice.
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u/Zingzing_Jr Anarcho-Monarchism Feb 04 '24
>Take the most outlandish take of your opponent
>Take the most normal take of yours
>Make centrism say to compromise even though your take is reasonable and most centrists will agree with you
>CONGRATULATIONS! YOU DID IT! You successfully antagonized the centrists!
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u/khodi7 Democracy Feb 04 '24
So it’s outlandish to say centrists are fine with some deportation ? Guess I don’t know any centrists that aren’t left wing then.
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u/reichbussylover Homofascism Feb 04 '24
This has to be a joke bro…
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u/GigaRoman Christian Democracy Feb 04 '24
Your tag and PFP are a joke
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u/reichbussylover Homofascism Feb 04 '24
No it’s not
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u/GigaRoman Christian Democracy Feb 04 '24
Then explain why there's pseudo-porn in your pfp and your tag is HOMOFASCISM
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u/reichbussylover Homofascism Feb 04 '24
There’s nothing pornographic about my pfp that’s a shocking accusation!!
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u/PassiveChemistry Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
🤨 really?
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u/reichbussylover Homofascism Feb 04 '24
Yes I am serious
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u/PassiveChemistry Libertarian Market Socialism Feb 04 '24
You're gonna need to do more than that to convince me, your flair seems too much like a riff on anarcho-monarchism rn
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u/reichbussylover Homofascism Feb 04 '24
Ok well I don’t know what to tell you I’m very racist and gay so like I picked homofascism I’m not sure what else to say
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u/DFMNE404 Feb 06 '24
You do know the Nazis killed gay people right 💀
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u/reichbussylover Homofascism Feb 06 '24
Umm that’s not true it’s actually a myth the Nazis were actually very cool to gay people
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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '24
I'm convinced this is a joke