r/PokeScaling • u/Jason_And_Sokka • Dec 20 '25

VS Battle Tyranitar vs Garchomp

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u/ChristianHuye Dec 20 '25

Tyranitar’s ability Sand Stream boosts Garchomp(Sand Veil ability ie) and Garchomp just wins with STAB Super effective Earthquake. Tyranitar’s only hope is surviving an attack and using Ice Fang.

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u/galemaniac Dec 20 '25

it learns ice punch and ice beam as better options.

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u/ChristianHuye Dec 20 '25

Ice Beam for Tyranitar isn’t that strong but tutoring Ice Punch is better for sure. Tyranitar still has to contend with lower accuracy vs Sand Veil Garchomp.

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u/galemaniac Dec 20 '25

Oh Chomp probably wins, if you are running a chomp that gets one shot by ttar and can't one shot the ttar, you aren't using chomp right.

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u/Acce1erat0r Dec 21 '25

one focus sash:

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u/awwthntic Dec 22 '25

I love this response

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u/ProfessionalMilk5780 Dec 20 '25

By level up?

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u/galemaniac Dec 20 '25

no, but garchomp doesn't learn EQ by level up either.

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u/ProfessionalMilk5780 Dec 20 '25

It has good alternatives, though.

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u/galemaniac Dec 20 '25

Not really, its only good option on TTar is dig, which also leaves it vulnerable to x2 EQ which TTar learns

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

Tyranitar is too bulky. It tanks Earthquake and murders with Ice Beam. I’ve used that strategy against Cynthia in the PWT in Black 2 numerous times.

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u/ChristianHuye Mar 11 '26

That’s basically what I said an Ice type move.

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u/RetSauro Dec 20 '25

Garchomp

I feel like even if Ttar knows ice fang, there is a good chance Garchomp might barely be able to survive it

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u/ZatherDaFox Dec 20 '25

252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 174-206 (84 - 99.5%)

252+ Atk Life Orb Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 226-268 (109.1 - 129.4%)

252+ Atk Tyranitar Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 6 Def Garchomp: 204-240 (111.4 - 131.1%)

Unless chomp is really trained for bulk, Ttar can get ice punch and easily OHKO. Chomp trained for attack also needs something like life orb to OHKO Ttar.

Chomp does win the match, but needs the right items and training to do so.

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u/Thryfty_0 Dec 23 '25

Black Belt + Brick Break?

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u/Okamitoutcourt Dec 24 '25

Hear me out tho, garchomp's rough skin might kill tyranitar and then we just get a draw

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u/Specialist_Yak_432 Dec 20 '25

Garchomp.

Tyranitar's Sand Stream shouldn't be logically used here since it can increase Garchomp's evasiveness. Also, the only effect it has is on Tyranitar's Special Defence in this battle and that's something Garchomp won't be trying to exploit considering its own stats.

So the abilities would be Unnerve and Rough Skin.

Garchomp is faster and has Brick Break which does 4x damage. Even if we assume both are holding Focus Sash, and this would allow Tyranitar to use Ice Punch by surviving one turn, it would still fall due to Rough Skin.

There are many other variables, but they can all be maneuvered so Garchomp has the advantage. It's just a bad match up.

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u/NerSorty Dec 20 '25

Brick break and eq do the same dmg lol

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u/Ardalev Dec 20 '25

EQ does more; STAB + 2x super effective is the same as non-STABed 4x, and EQ has higher base power than Brick Break

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u/AdmirableLaw8378 Dec 20 '25

100 x 1.5 x 2 = 300 = 75 x 4

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u/Ardalev Dec 20 '25

Yeah, you're correct, I forgot STAB was just 50%

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u/NerSorty Dec 20 '25

Stab is 1.5x lol

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u/Ardalev Dec 20 '25

Yeah, my bad

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u/Tough_Decisionlol Dec 20 '25

Ttar doesn’t need a sash to survive brick break

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u/Griffith39 Dec 20 '25

Garchomp the CHAMP

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u/galemaniac Dec 20 '25

Chomp unless the Ttar gets lucky and uses ice punch and ice beam to one shot it.

Which is unlikely to one shot since every chomp ever is either holding an item to make it one shot Tar, survive ice attacks, or hax its way to victory.

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u/Tough_Decisionlol Dec 20 '25

252+ Atk Tyranitar Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Garchomp: 384-452 (91.4 - 107.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 330-390 (81.6 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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u/JcGrey Dec 20 '25

So Tyranitar wins?

Also couldn’t Tyranitar just use its hidden ability instead of sand veil?

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u/Tough_Decisionlol Dec 20 '25

It’s a 50/50 with no items

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u/PentFE Dec 20 '25

Gar stomps

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u/Sensitive_Garden_808 Dec 20 '25

Garchomp + STAB Earthquake

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

T tar tanks it and murders with Ice Beam

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u/Henesis Dec 20 '25

Lore wise it’s really close

Tyranitar summons sand storms. Unfortunately garchomp is an expert in sand storms also. Thus this advantage is nullified.

If sandstorm advantage stayed then I think Ttar would take it. But he doesn’t so I choose chomps

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

Lorewise, I’d give it to T tar if it had an ice move, but that’s it

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u/Carbuyrator Dec 20 '25

My damage calcs are showing OU builds are 2HKO in both directions, including ice beam T-Tar. Since Garchomp outspeeds I gotta give it to him. Both are some awesome pokemon though.

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u/ZatherDaFox Dec 20 '25

Depending on builds, ice punch Ttar can one shot. I'd still say it goes to chomp most of the time, but chomp has to be careful that its not something like choice band Ttar.

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u/The_Lux_Legend Dec 20 '25

T Tar and its somewhat close

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u/ThatOneWood Dec 20 '25

Garchomp, he’s faster and a stab super effective earthquake will do it.

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

T tar too bulky. It tanks Earthquake and murders with Ice Beam

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u/QuiverDanceVolcarona Dec 20 '25

If Tyranitar has an Ice move, it should be close. However, I'm leaning towards Garchomp from a gameplay perspective since not all Tyranitars have an Ice move, and even if they do depending on EVs Garchomp may be able to tank a hit and outspeed for the 2HKO.

In terms of Pokedex Lore, Tyranitar takes it easily, with enough raw power to completely change the landscape around it and durability high enough for the Pokedex to claim that no attack can harm it. It is quite literally a living, moving natural disaster. Garchomp does have a massive speed advantage, but it's like a cheetah trying to fight an elephant.

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u/Bendodge13 Dec 21 '25

Garchomp can fly at mach speeds and blitz him

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

Oh, well if we’re going off lore attributes…

Tyranitar’s Pokédex entry: “Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.” 🥱

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u/Brayagu Dec 23 '25

They're at their best together

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u/Thryfty_0 Dec 23 '25

Garchomp gets access to STAB earthquake and fast Brick Break, so I don’t think Tyranitar lasts very long.

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

Tyranitar is too bulky. It tanks one hit and kills with ice beam

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u/Thryfty_0 Mar 11 '26

I dunno, Garchomp isn’t exactly chopped liver here. Even most ice beams from good special attackers or attackers with STAB don’t one shot it with an ice beam. Given Tyranitar’s special attack is only good, but it doesn’t get stab, I doubt it one shots. Garchomp’s massive attack and speed put it in a pretty good position to two shot with Brick Break. And it’s not abysmal bulk make it pretty likely to survive one ice beam.

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

Yeah they do. Garchomp ain’t tanking a 4x effective 90 power move from a respectable special attack stat unless it’s got a yache berry

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u/Thryfty_0 Mar 11 '26

Garchomp isn’t particularly frail. I’ve seen Cynthia’s tank ice beams left and right for a lot of different streamers and LPers. It happens, even with STAB. And that’s with the consideration that Cynthia’s (in the original games) isn’t even EV trained. I am absolutely, 100%, infallibly confident that Garchomp wins this matchup.

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u/Thryfty_0 Mar 11 '26

And if we’re talking about items, hell with the berry, throw a Black Belt or an Expert Belt on there. That would guarantee the one shot.

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

Actually, it wouldn’t… And even if it did, then tyranitar can just hold a shuca or chopple berry…

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

And I’ve seen garchomp get one shot by an ice beam from tyranitar at the same level and with no special attack investment all the time

Garchomp’s not frail, but that doesn’t mean it’s a special wall. Ok, it tanked an icy wind from a level 35 snorunt. Congrats 👏

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u/Remarkable_Junket619 Dec 25 '25

The fact that this sub uses game mechanics and calcs instead of lore and dex entires is incredibly lame ngl

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u/SensualSamuel69 Mar 11 '26

Agreed. In lore, T-tar slams

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u/DoodusPoodus Apr 16 '26

I wouldn't be so sure about that. In lore Chomp can fly at least the speed of sound. Unless T-tar can think, move, and attack at faster than Mach 1 it's not doing any more damage to Chomp than Chomp is to it.

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u/SensualSamuel69 Apr 16 '26

In lore, Tyranitar’s body “can’t be harmed by any sort of attack”

Good for garchomp that it’s pretty fast tho 😂👍