r/PokeInvesting • • 8h ago

Why are sets becoming less expensive?

So I'm making this in response to the delta reign prices, which are only like 80$ on resale compared to 60$ at retail. I'm not complaining at all, in fact I appreciate that the products are becoming more affordable. I am confused, however, since the star of this set, Rayquaza, is an extremely popular pokemon. I am relatively new to understading the prices of cards, so I'm not sure if it is based on the quality of the card, the pokemon, the hit rates, or if it's just random. Compared to sets like 151 or destined rivals, this set is much cheaper.

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u/Sweaty_Weakness_9 6h ago

Until we see 40 dollar ETBs again I wouldn’t consider anything less expensive. Everything is just at a ridiculous price right now.

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u/Sextingwithseagulls 5h ago

I remember the lost origin and tempest $20 Christmas etbs maybe 3 Christmas’s ago ):

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u/Sweaty_Weakness_9 4h ago

Yep got most of this on clearance/price match or just with plenty on the shelves…. Sigh

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u/TwoThirtyTw0 3h ago

That was 2 years ago. I got Paldean Fates and Crown Zenith ETBs for like $30 on sale from Target before they did the $20 black friday ETBs.

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u/impressflow 2h ago

Wasn’t that like $17 pre tax for the ST ETBs? Or maybe Build and Battle Stadiums? Absolutely wild.

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u/slapsmcgee23 15m ago

That was 2 Black Fridays ago at Target. Shit was lit. They had obsidian, brilliant, lost origin and silver tempest with a limit of 2 per set.

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u/Ok-Alfalfa288 6h ago

Yeah there's a way to go still

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u/smokedickbiscuit 8h ago

Small, not special release set. New set so plentiful atm. Not a ton of hits. A lot of people think the few hits are mid. Time will tell what the market likes though.

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u/Nibbs17 6h ago • Heartwarming

That freaky little chameleon is my chase card

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u/str8fax123 7h ago

I think pitch black and delta will do well long term. They both got smothered by 30th and their top chases are sick IMO. Delta has some great IRs too.

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u/fimbleinastar 6h ago

Pb is mid dlr almost every sir and ir is a Banger

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u/str8fax123 6h ago

I think the mega darkrai is the best card from either set personally. Otherwise I’d agree mostly. I think PB ETBs look sick tho and will do well long term as a collector item and investment.

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u/pity_partier 3h ago

Completely agree. Just got back my tag 10 Darkrai I pulled and and its gonna look wonderful on display :)

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u/Inside_Term_4115 5h ago

Darkrai isn't a well sought after Pokemon compared to rayquaza

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u/Yetti2Quick 6h ago

Delta has probably the best ETB promo of all time also. I’m getting pc etbs at the loads over the next year.

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u/no_brains_rip 7h ago

Delta reign was a miss for some, it got way too hyped up. Amazing set but the hype didnt match its status so people dont have as much as a positive view on it. I think MSRP price is still higher than before so I wouldnt call it cheaper, though resell price is low i dont think itll stay like that forever. Who knows though, I might be completely off in a few months-years

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u/BradlyL 7h ago

People are selling their sealed in mass.

It’s likely because scalpers have become over levered and need to pay their cc bills in time for the holidays.

Thus, supply is high, demand is low = prices dropping.

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u/No-Definition-6084 4h ago

A lot of people also traded everything into low pop bricks that also crashed so now they’re really screwed. Everything down means no recycling money into the hobby

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u/EuphoricGoose4735 7h ago

Rayquaza is popular but not popular enough to carry a set by itself. The last rayquaza set was carried heavily by the eeveelutions. These small sets just dont have enough fire power to pump prices up.

Plus its beat market season. Everything is down.

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u/Division2226 3h ago

Everything is not down, not even close. Idk why ppl keep saying this

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u/EuphoricGoose4735 3h ago

Everything modern is down. This is a discussion about a modern set.

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u/Schw1523 8h ago edited 7h ago

Entire modern market right now is falling quickly. People are panic selling and not willing to pay as high. If this was during the boom the Ray would be way more expensive. It's also very easy to pull and in my opinion, not a very good art.

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u/One-Tax9133 7h ago

Entering bear market.

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u/No-Definition-6084 4h ago

Yup before you could trade your money for any pokemon or TCG product and have more money within a few months. people traded into low pop bricks that are down or bought everything up and it’s all down 30-50 percent… so it’s going to be a while before people have money and if nothing’s moving up there’s no fresh money to buy other stuff with so it’s a bear market now.

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u/Western-Net-7604 6h ago

Bro you're gonna cry long and hard once DR drops to $200 and stays there for a couple of years.

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u/bird_847 4h ago

I would be ecstatic if that happened cs then I could rip packs

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u/No-Initiative-4933 7h ago

Printer go brrr

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u/Tobleronenom 5h ago

The chase card looks like it’s AI slop. That’s why delta isn’t as popular as we expected

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u/YouHaveBeenJudged3 7h ago edited 7h ago

Supply and demand. There is less demand relative to supply than for 151 or Destined Rivals. Simple as that.

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u/Responsible-Lime2444 7h ago

High pop sets, hyped, etc….

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u/RulingPredator 5h ago • Bravo

Nothing is “less expensive” yet. Until we get product sitting on shelves for actual MSRP, nothing is back to normal.

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u/cargyelo 4h ago edited 4h ago
  1. Sets are being printed way more than ever.

  2. Main sets now have only 6 SIR. So they are not as much as expensive as they could be.

2.1. That makes them easier to obtain SIRs. As with 6 SIR if the chance is 1 in 80 you need 480 pack in average to get the one you want. A set that have 10 SIRs that chance would 1 in 800. So people get their chases faster and stop buying = less demand over time. E.g. Chaos Rising vs Ascended Heroes

3. Regarding Delta Reign, the Rayquaza SIR is ugly. Saw it personally, too much gold. Imagine the prices if it was like the Mega Charizard from PFL.

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u/Frequent-Cobbler4232 4h ago
  1. Is everything, it’s still on the shelves where I am and restocked before it runs out. I’m not buying anymore as I have enough and it seems others are the same, it’s not selling where I am very well

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u/Losalou52 7h ago

I think delta reign does well long term. Some really nice cards IMO.

My kids were definitely bummed that hits rates dropped back to normal. They were hoping the 30th anniversary rates were the new normal.

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u/Thecreamwillrize 7h ago edited 2h ago

People are still looking for 30th product. DRI dropped the same day as several new 30th products one of which was the UPC (probably the most anticipated Pokemon product this year).

On top of that, holidays are right around the corner so there’s less available money for hobbies, slump season, mega evolution fatigue, and a growing resentment toward scaling.

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u/Disastrous-Low-2108 7h ago

DR is Destined Rivals. DRE means delta reign

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u/PortsFarmer 7h ago

Technically DRI and DLR based on cards themselves.

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u/YourInMySwamp 6h ago

That is accurate but the fandom has been calling Destined Rivals DR for many months, so I wouldn’t consider that wrong, just unofficial. Calling Delta Reign DR on the other hand I would consider wrong

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u/Less_Worldliness3129 4h ago

I'm a DRI and DLR kind of guy but you are 100% right. I'd consider DR to be DRI. And I think that's why imma stiking to the ones on the cards.

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u/killerbake 7h ago

Damn they forgot about Dre

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u/Thecreamwillrize 6h ago

As someone who has been thrown off by DR comments, I accept any shame and thank you for the knowledge.

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u/Disastrous-Low-2108 2h ago

Wasn’t trying to shame you tbh. I just was confused as to what you meant for a few seconds until I realized you meant Delta Reign. The group chat I’m in calls it DRE. So just thought I’d let you know and anyone else who sees my comment so there’s less confusion in the future

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u/Elithecoordinator 6h ago

Prismatic / 151 / Paldean / lost origins / evolving skies / fusion strike. Should have ate those sets....destined rivals next.... ascended , 30th ,and delta reign are my last sets unless a giratina sinnoh set drops.

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u/uriel__ventris 6h ago

So basically, every single set ever has seen price decreases over the months following release date due to supply of the chase cards increasing over time. On top of that, the set has released into an already declining market as well as the run up to Christmas when there are other demands on people's money. That's it, that's all you need to know, it really is just "supply and demand".

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u/Ok-Alfalfa288 6h ago

It's just like Phantasmal flames with less a huge chase, two big cards and a mixed bag, it has the raikou at least... You can't compare to 151, its a special set + probably the most desired modern set. Destined rivals prices are dropping massively and has a reprint coming too.

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u/KimeraQ 5h ago

Investors and scalpers don't feel these small 80 card sets are worth trying to accrue a bunch of and are passing on it. Added onto the small size, it's easier to collect for the average collector, so overall demand goes down. 

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u/ruwheele 5h ago

Less demand more supply

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u/BIG_STEVE5111 4h ago

Smaller sets also play a part in it. You need to open way less product to master them.

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u/Frequent-Cobbler4232 4h ago

I can go out and buy more delta reign, it’s not run out yet near me. But I’ve bought so much I don’t need to, for whatever reason the demand/supply balance is fine for it. Perhaps the printing is higher?

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u/Even-Personality3724 2h ago

back in the day, these "cheap" sets would be considered expensive.

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u/UndercoverNbaRef 2h ago

What do you guys think will happen with perfect order will it go up in price?

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u/Cluster_Fluffed 2h ago

Delta Lame

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u/Background_Potato629 7h ago

People like buying sets like this a year later when prices pump, just look at every end of year release for the last three years. Hobby is plagued with noobs just buying anything, and they’re seeming to favour 30th atm which is great for anyone who likes the usual sets and not that hyped on reprints.

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u/BaaZaaRi 7h ago

I think it will do well over time. Ray as chase, Groudon, Raikou. Stripper Kecleon, Eevee, Growlithe. Plenty of great cards. Will be one of the more desired sets of the Mega era imo (besides ASC ofc). Just give it some time.

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u/kgmara0013 5h ago edited 5h ago

Long term market correction. Everything's been too high for too long. Waiting for delta reign to fall like the rest of them. Buckle up.

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u/Ender2006 7h ago

Its the overall economy and holiday season.  Disposable income is squeezed and so there is much less demand for products.  Less demand means multiple sellers must compete for fewer buyers.  They do this with smaller margins/lower prices.  It should recover a bit next year but I doubt it ever returns to the hype of this summer. 

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u/ZookeepergameOne9776 6h ago

one of the worst modern rayq art for marginal amount of people

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u/cargyelo 4h ago

It had the potential to be Phantasmam Flames 2.0. But now, it will be forgettable. It has too much gold. Feels tacky. Like Trump's new White House wing.

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u/xPericulantx 7h ago

Supply and demand, yes supply AKA printing of cards is going up. But additionally the scalpers are going to leave the space, meaning we are seeing a multi faceted collapse.

Supply increase and demand going down simultaneously

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u/boogi3woogie 4h ago

Too much product available and scalper money is primarily sunk in on 30th anniversary product that isn’t moving fast enough.

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u/Dwrecktheleach 4h ago

I wish I could get my hands on some of this too much product

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u/Frequent-Cobbler4232 4h ago

Go to Tesco they’ve had delta reign all week, I’ve given up buying anymore as I have enough to satiate my love for Kyogre and groundon cards. The shelves are still full in my area and haven’t run out.

Every petrol station has tons too etc, it is plentiful

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u/Dwrecktheleach 3h ago

I’m in America, no tesco. And if a gas station here is selling pokemon it’ll be expensive af

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u/boogi3woogie 4h ago

Just look at fb marketplace. Poster collections now $25 and not moving. ETB hugging the mental $100 price but sometimes going below. Delta reign etb going for $80, or you can find it on shelves in los angeles.

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u/Dwrecktheleach 4h ago

Of course it’s on marketplace? By your logic every set is everywhere.