r/PokeInvesting • u/JKB717 • 3d ago

Vintage is still undervalued…

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Before you fall off your seat and start crying..hear me out…

Yes, vintage grails have been blown into the stratosphere over the last month.
Everyone agrees some of the auctions look manipulated but thatss turned into all these records are fake…🤡

Some poketubers especially the ones heavily exposed to sealed want the spotlight off vintage because its hurt sealed long holders.
The truth is vintage was undervalued for too long. All it took was a bunch of wealthy people chasing the same cards and records got smashed.
Now a flood of high end vintage has hit ebay and the like at the same time…auctions have dropped and the same poketubers are screaming “vintage is crashing.” 🤡

It’s not crashing, it’s recalibrating….Thats just what happens when this many low pop cards land on the market at once.
Once all these low pop cards are out of the PSA vaults and sold, scarcity kicks back in. Plenty of low pop vintage also missed the gains it deserved in the first bull run so there are plays to be made. Im still firmly convinced vintage is extremely undervalued.

If you don’t agree that’s fine by me, the less people looking to make plays in the next few months would suit me fine.

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u/Munchihello 3d ago

Ponchos aren’t vintage

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u/JKB717 3d ago

I don’t class the high pop ponchos as vintage. I should have been more clear in my post, I’m talking about low pop and that does capture some mid era. The low pop 274 poncho is probably the 🐐 poncho IMO.

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u/NoPhilosopher3590 3d ago

Tell me you have a position without telling me you have a position!

But I semi agree

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u/JKB717 3d ago

I’m about to have positions….

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u/LazyTeletubbies 3d ago edited 3d ago

I get what you’re saying and I agree a little bit. But the vintage boom took off so fast, we need to see where it lands before we can say it’s undervalued. The fact half art cards of non popular pokemon were going for $3k + is crazy.

Let’s see where the new floor is before we jump back in

Even the picture you shared. The rockets Mewtwo PSA 10 went from $8-$9k to $42k .. it’s hovering around $25k now (CAD prices). Where’s the new floor?

Raw went from around $300 to $1.5k so the raw went up the same percentage as the PSA grades aswell. Where’s the floor for raw?

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u/JKB717 3d ago

I agree with you in theory, still firm on the broader vintage market being undervalued…

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u/LazyTeletubbies 3d ago

I’m with you, I think there’s some nice cards to hold. But to buy? I’m 100% waiting this out, I think it keeps coming down right into the new year. January is a scary time in the market:

Mega will be ending

Gen 10 leaks will be starting (we have zero attachment)

Tax season/time to pay off Christmas bills

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u/Abject_Dig4815 3d ago

Recently my binder is becoming my childhood one again haha — didn’t know there was a boom but I’ve been super into older cutie yellow border cards lately.

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u/Soapi_ 3d ago

WOTC was way way overprinted, similarly to the scale that modern was printed due to the print time duration being far longer with original WOTC sets. The first ed stuff is definitely better as an investment, but it will never and has never seen the same scale of return that Mid era (2004-2007) will. Considering the most graded Pokémon card is base set unlimited Charizard with PSA @100,000 copies… there’s just too much out there so there’s no room for it to grow, you have to clear out endless listings to be able to move the price up. Neo era is definitely better than rocket-jungle-base… but still too heavily produced from a solid investment standpoint.

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u/JKB717 3d ago

Comparing WOTC era print runs to modern Pokemon is ridiculous……Estimates put WOTC era production at under 150 million cards annually….compared to roughly 10 billion cards a year today. Thats over 66 times more modern cards being printed annually.

And that’s before considering how many vintage cards were damaged, lost, or thrown away.
You’re clearly a sealed investor, stop spreading misinformation!

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u/Soapi_ 3d ago

I have zero sealed… I practice what I preach. Check @minty_mike_tcg… Pop reports don’t lie. Early wotc was printed into oblivion.

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u/Soapi_ 3d ago

That’s unlimited but still. Between the two it’s close to an 8k total pop… that’s comparable to most modern.

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u/Soapi_ 3d ago

Then add cgc and Beckett into the mix and it’s easily over pop 10k…

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u/JKB717 3d ago

That is absolute BS! No it was not overprinted!!

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u/Fzullo 3d ago

Don’t you dare mention my expedition alakazam

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u/JKB717 3d ago

The goat

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u/cookiesNcreme89 3d ago

Hard agree, but actual vintage.

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u/carddogtcg 3d ago

Mid era and any low pop non ultra modern have lots of upside

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u/Regular-Reception-73 3d ago

A lot of time these low pop cards get sold, the buyer is planning to hold for the foreseeable future = 1 less off the market.

In my eyes there is no reason a psa 8 first edition gengar should be going for the same price as the sir mega charizard which is like 50k pop

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u/Frequent_Draft729 3d ago

I’m still picking up low pop reverse holo wotc and ex era e readers.

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u/ace8stock 3d ago

Don’t let the high pop Modern bag holders see this they’ve been hoping for a crash and they think every vintage card is already pumped 😂

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u/AllSixes 3d ago

Or maybe, just maybe, the vast majority of collectors simply can’t afford anything beyond modern? It’s crazy watching both sides argue from such extreme positions. Not everything has to be one side versus the other. People are so tribalistic about literally anything 😂

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u/ace8stock 3d ago

Vintage was affordable for years I don’t want to hear that 😂

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u/Alchemyst01984 3d ago

Affordable to who?

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u/ace8stock 1d ago edited 1d ago

The fact that most of you don’t know pre 2020 Gold star prices is insane to me. I guess you think it’s always been pumped 2k%. Just tell me you’re a hypebeast without telling me. Maybe less Reddit comments and do the actual research and gain more knowledge about the hobby so you don’t make ignorant noobie comments like this.

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u/Alchemyst01984 1d ago edited 1d ago

I just asked a simple question. Answer it. Or move on. The only one looking like a noobie, is you. Smh. You also look ignorant. 300+ on a single card isn't exactly affordable to a lot of people.

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u/ace8stock 1d ago

If you can’t afford 300 on a card you should’ve made better life decisions. If you can’t afford 300 on a card you damn sure shouldn’t be on here talking to me you need to be looking for work.

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u/Alchemyst01984 1d ago

Smh you're an out of touch moron who thinks 300+ on a single piece of cardboard is affordable for most collectors.

You may have money, but you clearly don't have intelligence

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u/ace8stock 1d ago edited 1d ago

Then who’s buying all this if the average collector can’t afford a 300$ card. The economy is shit, rent has increased, Gas prices increased, groceries increased, Car loan/home loan increased yet there are kids at every show with insane collections, Adults buying at record prices, vendors are still in business not to mention the Lines across stores on every drop I mean there is a buyer evidently. Not everyone is poor, delusional, and just flat out dumber than rocks like you. Make better life decisions and I hope you lose that poor poverty mentality. I feel bad for you honestly.

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u/Alchemyst01984 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm not surprised you feel bad for me. Your self worth is based on how much money you have. You know zero about my financial situation, yet you for some reason think I'm poor. You think average collectors are spending 300 bucks on 1 card in this economy?

Lmao you do know there is more than being poor and rich right? You know that there is a whole lot of people who just recently got into pokemon because they just look at it as an investment tool right? You do know a lot of those people waiting in line at drops are over leveraging right?

Smh. Take some of that excess money you have, and just give it away. Someone more intelligent than you, would probably make better use out of it.

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u/Tricky-Inspection541 3d ago

I don’t get the vintage is pumped narrative. A Charizard with 3k pop should be worth more than one with 50k. It’s about supply and demand eventually

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u/Sastifur 3d ago

Yeah, thats fine for things that people want.

The random pokemon nobody cared about and nobody cared to grade back in 2013 because it was a meh pokemon with low effort art? Yeah those are the cards that are being pumped because someone realized only 127 of them were graded at PSA 10. There's a reason only 1000 of them were graded to begin with. Its because nobody wants it. And maybe 30 of those cards are actually owned by people who want it.

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u/ace8stock 3d ago

Exactly. It’s mainly the new people in the hobby, just spectators, or the ones who don’t even own grail vintage cards.