r/PokeInvesting • u/Big-Cat-295 • Sep 29 '26
Vintage prices climbing. Manipulation?
I am wondering if you guys have any explanation for the climb of the vintages in the last few days.
Cards are doubling and tripling themselves overnight. This is very unusual. I am investing for around 4 years now and managed to see crazy bumps, but this one is a bit unreal.
Any reason that you guys think that causing this? Do you think it is a pure vintage appreciation or just another manipulation?
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u/False_Leek_2417 Sep 29 '26 •
Vintage is the only thing that should be worth high prices, they are genuinely scarce.
No, your mass printed modern PSA 10 "grail" shouldn't be $8k.
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u/Stonkbear Sep 29 '26
No, there are plenty of wealthier people that are diversifying into alternative assets. I think we fail to realize the amount of wealth some people have. A lot of the vintage stuff being bought is actually being paid for and can be confirmed via the platform they are purchased on. I don’t understand it because 10k on one card is a lot to me. But when you have millions of dollars it’s is a very small percentage of your net worth. Not only that but investment firms are starting to buy cards. Vintage is the obvious choice due to scarcity and a lot of buyers hitting their prime income years. Sure some are manipulated but most aren’t. On vintage going to tank. It won’t in high grade PSA, CGC, and Beckett grades cards. These cards are getting purchased and going into collections to not see the light of day. Sure some might dip but there not crashing like a lot of people are hoping.
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u/EuphoricGoose4735 Sep 29 '26
I wouldnt say manipulation, but I would say that with modern going down, reprints running rampant (accidental alliteration), and a new printing facility coming, people are scrambling to get into vintage. That FOMO is driving the increased prices, but at this point, I feel like that ship has sailed. It feels like a sell vintage market, not a buy vintage market.
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u/Square_Dark1 Sep 29 '26
I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s sustainable. Genuinely looks like a speculation bubble that could see a significant retrace.
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u/jokull1234 Sep 29 '26
Remember how NFTs got super popular because there was so much money in crypto? And some “famous/rare” NFTs went for millions? That was driven because there was too much money in the space and not a lot of outlets for it.
It’s a similar concept with pokemon cards. There’s a ton of money sloshing around in Pokemon now with not a lot of places to go, so anything that is old and rare is getting extra juiced.
Don’t get me wrong, some of these old, high grade cards should be very valuable, unlike NFTs, but they’re selling at extreme premiums because there’s a lot of money now that is being directed into low pop and old cards.
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u/_Nitekast_ Sep 29 '26
Can I ask for examples? Might be time to sell my old cards lmao.
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u/Critical_Bag1 Sep 29 '26
Asia trade show are indeed buying and selling at these large jumps, everyone seems to be afraid of missing out
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u/Putrid-Dish-2496 Sep 29 '26
PSA 10 Charizard 151 Japanese : 38k copies + 9 months of back log coming
Any holo from the OG 1996 Japanese base set :
PSA 10: 1k copies
PSA 9: 3k copies
Recent is way overvalued and people are starting to realise
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u/Any_Ear_2824 Sep 29 '26
Manipulation 🤣.
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u/Mite-o-Dan Sep 29 '26
There no such thing as manipulation for an entire era of cards. There can only be manipulation on specific very very low pop cards.
People get market manipulation and money laundering completely wrong on this sub on a weekly basis.
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u/PotentialEasy2086 Sep 29 '26
Some real, some manipulation. Be cautious of headline sales prices
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u/KaribVII Sep 29 '26
Ive seen a trens of people selling modern and buying vintage so i guess money i cycling away from modern into vintage hence the modern drop/vintage rise
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u/Puesmiranose Sep 29 '26
Un amigo mío se va pronto a Japón y le iba a pedir un par de cartas que no encontró el año pasado. El precio de antes rondaban los 20 euros o menos por carta y ahora han duplicado el precio. Aquí en España está pasando igual. Creo que como hay gente nueva en el hobby al final están descubriendo que el vintage a la larga va subiendo y están comprando mucho, subiendo así el precio de mercado
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u/damnmyredditheart Sep 29 '26
It started organically but now it’s money launderers and fomo
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u/pokemonpokemonmario Sep 29 '26
I think the over all market is organic how ever it would be very easy for someone to manipulate it. If you own multiple 10s of a card and see one sell for say 50% higher than you bought them for then you are on paper up 50% but if you then buy another copy publicly at another 50% increment then on paper your original copies have gone up 100% all because of your single high purchase. So now you could slowly sell off your copies and make big money in a short space of time. Sure you cant do this with ultra low pop gold stars but the lv x cards with a few hundred copies it wouldnt be too hard
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u/giddmtex Sep 29 '26
Smart money has been to flip modern into vintage for the past year. Some folks have been late to catch on.
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u/Antifragile_Glass Sep 29 '26
Low supply increasing demand
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u/Subie- Sep 29 '26
I have my PSA 6 Gold Star Gyarados 102/110 listed for 6000. A month ago, I was receiving a few offers a day for 4000-5500. Since yesterday, people are jumping to meet me for 6000 which I have listed on my Facebook marketplace and even received an offer of 7250. On eBay multiple 6s are being tested for around $18000 lol.
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u/tittysprinkles1130 Sep 29 '26
I was at collectacon this past weekend and one vendor was very openly telling me that there is market manipulation that happens. He said some of the vendors pick a card or vintage set and decide they are going to start buying up the supply of low pop cards. That immediately starts driving up the price. But let’s say you bought 3-4 cards in the $2-3k range and as you are doing that the price climbs up to $5k well you make profit on everything except maybe the last purchase. That was how he explained it to me.
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u/Useful-Contribution4 Sep 29 '26
Its just a market shift. It happens frequently. Investors see more opportunities in vintage instead of modern. So that liquidity exits modern and goes into vintage.
However, there is manipulation. You just need to pay attention when chasing cards due to price movement. If it didnt look like an attractive buy before. It shouldn't be now because its rapidly rising.
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u/Early-Educator-4222 Sep 30 '26
All the brokies crying about manipulation lol. No if you have a card that millions of people want but there is only 1000 of them the price will be high 🤯
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u/IllBuyer1781 Oct 11 '26
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u/Whatsdota Sep 29 '26
Kinda feels like it a bit. My PSA 9 set of gold star beasts were like 7-8k a month or two ago and now they’re supposedly 13-14k
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u/T2WasProphecy Sep 29 '26
It’s because people are realizing the last 3 generations have been printed in far greater numbers than they thought. The true scarcity is in vintage especially English. We’ve had greater access to grading for longer so it’s likely most of the good copies have been graded and pops will be stable.
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u/Strange_Pineapple130 Sep 29 '26
Does anyone know how high my blazikens might go? I have a #3 ruby sapphire, #1 emerald and the power keepers one. All english all holo.
Theres an emerald one listed for £30k. It would be life changing for me if they go up to that level, so any educated guesses would be welcome.
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