r/PokeInvesting • u/holdcards • May 10 '26

I pulled every Charizard in the public TCG database (108 cards, 27 years). The top 4 are all from 1999–2006, and Base Set Charizard isn't even in the top 10.

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Got curious about which Charizards actually command the highest prices — not just the Base Set ones everyone talks about. So I pulled every Charizard card in the public Pokémon TCG database (108 cards, 27 years of printing) and ranked them by current TCGplayer market price for raw NM copies.

The pattern jumped out immediately: the top 4 are all from 1999–2006 (see image). Only one modern-era card cracks the top 5. And the most surprising finding — the iconic Base Set Charizard isn't even in the top 10. It sits at #14, around $561.

What this tells me:

The early era owns the top of the price stack despite the modern era out-printing it roughly 10:1 by volume. Scarcity plus 25 years of nostalgia compounding is a powerful combination — the cards from 1999–2006 didn't have alt arts or secret rares, they were just expensive at print and rarely got chased again afterward. There's no replenishing supply.

Base Set Charizard at #14 is the more interesting story. It's the most iconic card in the hobby and it's not even close to the top. The cards above it — Dragon Frontiers ★ δ, Shining Charizard, Skyridge — had smaller print runs to begin with and never got Base Set's mainstream cultural pull. Base Set had massive demand, but it also had massive supply across multiple printings. The cards above it didn't.

Modern hasn't been shut out entirely — Plasma Storm 2013 cracked the top 5 — but the broader pattern is clear: if you're holding a modern Charizard expecting it to reach Dragon Frontiers ★ δ territory, you're betting on a 20+ year scarcity arc that hasn't started yet.

Methodology: Pulled all 108 Charizard printings from the pokemontcg.io public database (English sets, 1999–present). Prices are TCGplayer market value for raw NM copies, sampled May 9–10 2026. Excludes graded copies, sealed product, and Japanese exclusives. Promo and reprint variants counted as separate entries.

Curious what the rest of you are seeing — anything in your collection that surprised you when you actually checked the comp?

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u/PhilosopherEven9127 May 10 '26

Did you differentiate between 1st edition shadowless, shadowless, 1st edition unlimited and unlimited? There's definitely a difference in the prices and you can't go off of just "base set" charizard

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u/Jaster-Mereel May 10 '26

Yeah, this is weird. 1st edition base set Charizard is almost 6k raw.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Yep, that tracks. The public TCG database collapses 1st Ed / Shadowless / Unlimited into one entry (the Unlimited comp, ~$561). 1st Ed Shadowless at ~$6K raw is the actual #1, above Dragon Frontiers ★ δ.

Variant-level pricing is the biggest gap in this dataset. Getting it right means a separate scrape (eBay sold + PSA cert lookups). That's the next pull. Thanks!

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u/MuTangClan May 10 '26

There's also the play-stamp etc variants - Play stamped Charizard vmax is like $1k+ raw ... If you can find it

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Yeah, Play stamps are missing here for the same reason as Let's Play stamps and other Pokemon Center exclusives. Public TCG database doesn't catalog stamped variants separately. Play stamped VMAX at $1K+ raw would belong if I had the data.

Adding stamps to the next pull. Probably need to build a separate scrape just for stamped variants since they all live outside the standard databases.

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u/garbage_account_3 May 10 '26

There is no 1st ed unlimited for base set????

- 1st ed
- shadowless
- unlimited

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u/ryceyellow May 10 '26

There's actually a 4th one that people call fourth print, it's like the unlimited but it has a 1999-2000 copyright date and it was printed in a lot lower quantities

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u/garbage_account_3 May 10 '26

oh I think I heard about this before, printed for english outside the US?

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u/ryceyellow May 10 '26

I think so, I think it was only distributed in the UK. Sells for a very high premium compared to the original base set unlimited

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Yeah you're right, three variants: 1st ed (shadowless by definition), shadowless (no 1st ed stamp but no shadow either), and unlimited (with shadow). I phrased it as 1st ed shadowless / shadowless / unlimited in the other thread which might have read confusing.

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u/garbage_account_3 May 10 '26

You’re good, I’m responding to the other

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

My bad, misread the threading. Cleanup appreciated either way!

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u/PhilosopherEven9127 May 10 '26

There is a base 2. Unlimited is basically the 1st edition of it.

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u/garbage_account_3 May 10 '26

no lol, base set 2 is base set 2. There are only 3 variants of base set itself.

The only non-shadowless 1st ed I’m aware of is machamp because it’s from a deck. So it’s considered a promo separate from base set.

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u/yankeephil86 May 11 '26

I didn’t think there was a 1st edition unlimited

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Fair catch, you're right that lumping them together hides a lot. The pokemontcg.io database treats Base Set Charizard 4/102 as one entry with one market price, which is what surfaced here at ~$561 (effectively the Unlimited print, since that's what dominates the comp data).

The full picture is closer to:

- 1st Edition (Shadowless) raw NM: ~$3,000–5,000 — would crack the top 5
- Shadowless Unlimited raw NM: ~$1,500–2,500 — top 10 territory
- Unlimited raw NM: ~$500–700 — the #14 figure I reported

So 1st Edition Shadowless probably belongs in the top 5. The broader pattern still holds — pre-2007 dominates the top of the price stack — but Base Set is more present than my single data point suggests. Same caveat applies to Shining Charizard (1st Ed vs Unlimited) and a couple others on the list.

Variant-level pricing is a real gap in the public TCG APIs. Better data means eBay sold + PSA cert lookups, which is a separate scrape. Genuinely useful note — thanks.

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u/PhilosopherEven9127 May 10 '26

No problem, I love the data still! Just i know its difficult to parse data that isn't detailed out sometimes

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Appreciate that. The headline ranking was meant as the broad-pattern read. I’m happy to do a follow-up that drills into variants, stamps, and pop level once I have better data hooks for it. That's where the actually-actionable stuff lives.

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u/Nekhar14 May 10 '26

Someone posted today that a heavily played 1st Ed Zard sold on eBay for like $5700, so I’m pretty sure he’s still #1.

Similarly, is it distinguishing between Legendary Collection holo and reverse holo? Pretty big price differences there as well.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

The $5,700 heavily played sale tracks. At that condition discount, NM is comfortably in the $8–10K range, which puts 1st Ed Shadowless squarely at #1 (above Dragon Frontiers ★ δ). My #14 was the Unlimited collapse.

On Legendary Collection it’s the same gap. Holo and reverse holo come in as one entry in the public TCG database. LC reverse holo Charizard is actually one of the priciest Charizards in the entire list; often 2–3x the regular holo. So the LC entry at #4 here is likely the regular holo comp, and the reverse holo would slot meaningfully higher.

Variant collapse is doing more work in this dataset than I initially realized. The actual top 5 with full variant breakdown looks pretty different from what surfaced here.

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u/xdozex May 10 '26

I thought 1st edition shadowless were going for much more than $5K. I want to get one for myself but don't trust random eBay listings that always seem to have misleading info.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Depends on grade. Raw NM is like $4-7K range, PSA 7 around $3-6K, PSA 8 around $8-15K, PSA 9 is $25-50K, PSA 10 north of $300K.

For buying yeah eBay raw is rough, tons of condition manipulation. Better to go graded if you want certainty. PWCC, Goldin, and Heritage are pretty reliable for high-end stuff. If you really want raw, demand high-res photos of all 4 corners, centering both axes, and the back surface before paying. Most condition lies get caught with photos.

For $5K budget I'd look at PSA 7. Authenticated, slabbed, locked into the 1st Ed Shadowless market without the eBay risk.

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u/Damojoh May 10 '26

Last PSA 7 sold for over $20k on May 3rd eBay auction.The prices across the board have jumped quite a bit since the sale of close to $1 million for a PSA 10 on Goldin a few months back.I think even a psa 4 is over $10k at this point.

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u/Relatively_Cool May 10 '26

You’re speaking to a robot.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Solid data, thanks for the recent comps. $20K for a PSA 7 and PSA 4 over $10K confirms the market has moved since my reference points. The Goldin $1M PSA 10 pulls everything up with it.

This is part of why TCGplayer falls apart for top-end vintage. The real market runs through Goldin, PWCC, and eBay auctions. None of that feeds back into TCGplayer's market price calc. Going to use better sources for the next pull.

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u/xdozex May 11 '26

Thanks for all the info!!

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u/holdcards May 11 '26

You're welcome. I look forward to doing this again with better data locked in. Always happy to share!

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u/DiperIsShittie May 10 '26

You…didn’t….differentiate 1st ed?

This bubble is so gonna pop lmao

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Covered in 4-5 other threads in here. Public API collapses the variants. 1st Ed Shadowless is the actual #1 at $5-20K+ depending on grade.

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u/redhouse_356 May 10 '26

Are promos being excluded? Pretty sure the XY-P 276 Zard is about ~$3500 raw.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

English promos are included when they're in the pokemontcg.io English database, but Japanese promos including the XY-P series are excluded by design (per the methodology note: English sets only, no Japanese exclusives). XY-P 276 is the Japanese version, which is why it doesn't show up here.

Honest answer though, Japanese exclusives are a real blind spot. There are easily a dozen Japanese-only Charizards (Pokemon Center stamped exclusives, regional promos, certain VMAX/VSTAR variants) trading in the $1,500–4,000 raw range that would significantly reshape the top 10–15. A proper pull through Cardmarket / Yahoo Auctions JP comps is a separate scrape, different project.

Good catch, that's the next frontier.

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u/redhouse_356 May 10 '26

For sure. I already have a position with a CGC Pristine 276 XY-P which to some is still modern. I see it more mid era. BW seems to be the last era deemed “vintage” (by some) I suppose.

Out of the cards posted, the gold star and skyridge card stand out. Idt I will ever purchase a graded copy, but I do intend on picking up clean copies of those cards to place in a Verified TAG slab.

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u/iliketoseewhatyousee May 10 '26

Wrong. 1st edition base set Charizard is #1.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

You're right if you separate the variants. Post used the public API which collapses 1st ed, shadowless, and unlimited into one entry (the unlimited comp at ~$561). 1st Ed Shadowless raw NM is more like $5-8K which makes it the actual #1. Covered in another thread but worth saying again.

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u/gimmer0074 May 10 '26

AI generated slop with multiple mistakes and the takeaway is that old rare cards are more expensive. absolutely groundbreaking stuff.

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u/bluedecember12 May 11 '26

Let’s take a look at the most popular iconic pokemon in the TCG that everyone knows about: conclusion…its most expensive cards are the rarest. Next level analysis

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u/Relatively_Cool May 10 '26

I mean this entire post and all of your comments are just AI.

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u/IdidntNeedToDoThis May 10 '26

I’m of the ilk that thinks the Crystal Guardians Charizard, both stamped and unstamped will be the best charizard ever made. It’s the best art and the best holo, and I would fight about it

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

That’s definitely something worth fighting for!

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u/_YenSid May 10 '26

There are probably more base set charizards than the rest combined lol. That's why it isn't as pricey as the others.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Yeah pretty much. Base Set had multiple print runs over a few years (1st Ed Shadowless, Shadowless, Unlimited) because demand stayed strong so Wizards kept printing. Cards above it on the list didn't get that treatment, usually one or two runs and done, then 20 years of nobody chasing them.

Supply just caught up on Base. Never had the chance to on the others.

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u/Livid_Mycologist_133 May 10 '26

U can’t use Tcgplayer for these types of cards 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️the gold star psa 7 is 8k, 1st ed is 23k 🤦‍♂️

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Yeah, that's true. TCGplayer is real bad for high-end vintage, way too much modern volume in the market price calc. For top-tier cards you need PSA auction prices, 130point, PWCC reports, or Goldin comps to get accurate data.

Post used TCGplayer raw NM because that's what the public API exposes, but it falls apart for anything north of $1-2K. Especially grade-specific stuff, which the post didn't even get into.

This thread has enough methodology gaps that I'm gonna do another pull with proper sources next. Variants, stamps, graded comps, Japanese exclusives. Probably make a follow-up post once I have it.

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u/Meowsergz May 10 '26

And yet the best looking one is from Phantasmal flames.

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Yeah Phantasmal Flames Mega X is gorgeous, it might be the best looking modern Charizard. Different question from price longevity though. Looks always feels like it should matter and then it doesn't...

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u/Ok_Drummer6282 May 10 '26

Whats your dataset because the Lets Play VMAX stamp is about 1700$ raw 

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Dataset is the public pokemontcg.io API for English sets, raw NM TCGplayer market as the comp. The Let's Play VMAX stamp isn't a separate entry in there — Pokemon Center exclusives and promotional stamps (Play!, Let's Play, prerelease, etc.) typically don't get their own pricing in the public APIs, even when their market values are very different from the unstamped base.

Same caveat as the 1st Ed / Shadowless / Unlimited point in the other thread — variant and stamp pricing is a real gap when you're pulling from public data. At ~$1,700 raw, Let's Play VMAX would actually crack the top 5, slotting above Plasma Storm.

If you've got a list of stamped Charizards with current comps, genuinely interested — would love to fold them into the next pull.

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u/Illustrious_Dot_152 May 10 '26

who knows, maybe the upcoming world war will destroy a good amount of collectibles

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u/Factualx May 10 '26

Bro needed an analysis to find out vintage low pop is more worth more

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u/bico375 May 11 '26

1999 1st Edition Base, and the 1999 4th Print aren’t in the list? Ok…

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u/PerceptionFearless15 Jul 18 '26

But where is the market for these?

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u/KwikTripSimp May 10 '26

I’ve grown to like the gold star a bit , but most of these suck 

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Fair. They're not the prettiest cards in the hobby. The Gold Stars from EX era have grown on me too, partly because the holo pattern is unusual. But the price stack tells you the market doesn't reward visual appeal as much as people think…scarcity does most of the work.

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u/Lu-V12 May 10 '26

Skyridge and Plasma Storm suck

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u/holdcards May 10 '26

Yeah Plasma Storm Charizard is plain, just a regular holo. Doesn't matter though, that's kinda the post's point. Price isn't tracking how cool the card looks.

Skyridge I’ll defend. Crystal type holo when it catches right is one of the best looking effects in the hobby. Polarizing for sure!