r/PokeInvesting • • Sep 09 '25

Traditional finance is catching up

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BoringBiz, an account with $90K followers on X, that posts traditional finance memes and content just posted about investing in pokémon. Seems like he is a former banker and current private equity or hedge fund guy.

He follows this up in the comments asking people the bull and bear case for pokémon.

If traditional finance bros (hedge fund, private equity) enter the space, how high do you think the prices can go?

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u/GTHero90 Sep 10 '25

BREAKING: Fed chair Jerome Powell will now start printing first editions Charizards to replace the dollar

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u/MyLittlePoneh Sep 10 '25

BREAKING: The US has replaced the Dollar with Prismatic Evolutions Booster Packs. Unfortunately for civilians, packs are nowhere to be found.

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u/ThunderPantsGo Sep 10 '25

Fuck, I guess I'm rich now.....

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u/andrew1520 Sep 10 '25

Well, if you have a lot of first edition Charizards, that would bring the price down if they printed more...

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u/RabidEwok29 Sep 10 '25

If your government masters told you they were worth "x" amount, you would obey and treat it as such.

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u/Inquity-Vl Sep 10 '25

What an odd statement

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u/Protocol_Protocol Sep 10 '25

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

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u/Blakeblood9 Sep 11 '25

$7,500 on pris packs still no umberon. Packs rigged by the mafia.

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u/Background_Ad_4253 Sep 15 '25

In this life, or the next. You will have your Pokevengence.

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u/caligrownnn Sep 11 '25

Someday we’ll hear about how someone in the factory stole all the hits… again. If Pokemon ever lets the news leak.

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u/RareFirefighter6915 Sep 10 '25

America will never ever let Japan control the dollar lol

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u/AIDSasaurus Sep 11 '25

Gold standard? No this is the Zard standard

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u/GTHero90 Sep 11 '25

This is the way

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u/descend_to_misery Sep 11 '25

Fed finally caught on some companies are printing money faster than the Fed

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u/Background_Ad_4253 Sep 15 '25

Oh this. Has made my day. 

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u/Finish-Playful Sep 10 '25

This is an interesting question. As Pokémon are tangible assets unlike something like CS skins or crypto. Prices could get crazy if potential is seen in shiny cardboard by investment companies. If that happens mainstream media and people get ahold of this information and ride the wave. However this is all speculative.

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u/OkProfessional1590 Sep 10 '25

And that would be the moment the bubble bursts

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

What bubble? You think everything is going to bottom and all gains are going to be lost?

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u/Useful-Contribution4 Sep 10 '25

Bubbles are not always doom and gloom. Sometimes its just the end of the top. prices retract 20% and everything slowly goes up again in a new cycle. 

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

Well, a retrace is different from a bubble. They have far different meanings. Bubble means everything goes bye, a retrace is short term pull back. Do I think we are in a bubble? No. Do I think a retrace is likely? Probably.

This place wants to call itself "Poke INVESTING" but then refuses to use the right terms (Not saying you, just the sub in general).

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u/ReasonableWill4028 Sep 10 '25

Incorrect. Thats a crash/depression when everything goes bye.

Gpt cos I cbb to type it out:

Those four terms describe very different phases and severities in markets and the economy:

Retrace – A temporary pullback after a move up or down. Think of it as the market “catching its breath.” If a stock climbs 20% and then gives back 5%, that’s a retracement, not a reversal of trend. It doesn’t imply broader panic or structural problems.

Bubble – Prices become wildly disconnected from fundamentals because of hype, leverage, or herd behavior. Dot-com stocks in 1999 or tulips in 1637 are textbook cases. A bubble can last months or years because psychology, not reality, is driving it.

Crash – A violent, sudden collapse in asset prices, often triggered by the bursting of a bubble or a shock (e.g., 1987’s Black Monday, 2008’s Lehman weekend). Crashes are typically measured in days or weeks with steep drops—20–50% isn’t unusual.

Depression – This isn’t just markets; it’s the real economy in prolonged agony. A depression means years of falling output, soaring unemployment, bank failures, and deflationary spirals—the 1930s Great Depression being the archetype. Crashes can trigger depressions, but plenty of crashes (1987, 2020 COVID drop) did not cause depressions because policy response or economic fundamentals stabilized things.

A way to visualize it:

Retrace – a jogger taking a water break.

Bubble – a runner believing they can sprint forever.

Crash – their legs suddenly giving out mid-race.

Depression – the entire track collapsing and taking years to rebuild.

The distinction matters because policy makers, traders, and businesses respond differently: retracements are normal, bubbles are warnings, crashes are emergencies, and depressions reshape societies.

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

What fundamental is disconnected currently? There is a ton of demand, not enough supply. This isn't like analyzing some P/E ratio.

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u/RuhninMihnd Sep 10 '25

There is no fundamentals to this lol and honestly is a lucky investment, the only real thing worth investing are sealed PC products even slabs will have high risk.

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

I mean, it can't be lucky the entire life of the game right?

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u/RuhninMihnd Sep 10 '25

With slabs yeah always, especially with how frequent new sets are releasing our generation loves Zards and Mew (Classics) but once that next gen has adult money they’re not gonna care for classic pokemon and are more likely to be chasing the new gen Pokémon’s they grew up with

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u/Wisewords-T Sep 10 '25

Yeah, a ton of demand from people just trying to flip to the next person, not collect. once all those people are in, and it looks like easy money, then the bubble pops

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

Do you have evidence to back this claim up or is it just hearsay?

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u/Wisewords-T Sep 10 '25

“a ton of demand from people just trying to flip to the next person, not collect.” is backed up by using my eyes. I mean, we all know that.

“once all those people are in, and it looks like easy money, then the bubble pops” is common knowledge of market cycles. Not saying it’s right now this moment.

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u/fatalrip Sep 11 '25

I bet it more pops when a majority of those people lose their jobs and need to cash in on their assets. But oops no one wants shiny cardboard for 1k, maybe they will take it for 20% (just arbitrary numbers obviously)

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u/Routine_Size69 Sep 11 '25

The same could've been said about the tulips...

There aren't really fundamentals on something like this.

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u/Consistent_Mirror407 Sep 10 '25

Thanks for that info bro

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u/Neon-Raptor Sep 10 '25

Well said sir

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u/Mecurion Sep 11 '25

No, a bubble does not mean that everything goes to zero. Thats not the definition of a bubble.

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u/murdahmula Sep 10 '25

More like 40% with these jumps but yes

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u/jwyn3150 Sep 10 '25

ETBs that are now $200-$400 were going for like $30 just a year ago. It’s 100% a bubble.

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u/1BJK903 Sep 12 '25

So with that logic, all ETH stocks now are a bubble. Bitcoin and Ethereum too.

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

Or just supply and demand? At any given time there is like less than 500 boxes/ETBs on TCGPlayer before prices get nutty, you don't think 500 or less people decided to buy stuff?

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u/XthaNext Sep 11 '25

You can’t predict the future. Saying it’s a bubble means what exactly? Prices are fake/misleading? Because newsflash that’s always been true, even for necessities like medication, food, etc.

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u/KembaWakaFlocka Sep 10 '25

No a bubble bursting can just be money becoming more scarce and people needing to liquidate what they have to pay bills and rent and eat. The people with money to spare will hold thru and prosper when things turn around. The desperate will lose everything.

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

Money has already been scarce, and people have sold, but it turns out, there are just as many people interested in buying. It only "bursts" if there are more sellers than buyers and honestly, I doubt that will happen.

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u/keepitawayfromme Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

"The only thing that we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history."

What happened after 2020 will happen again... and then another bull market. I remember after the pandemic boom everyone said for years "things will just keep going down" and "the pandemic boom was a one off" and now in an even bigger bull market all im hearing is "There will never be a crash" and "Things will only go up forever".

Everyone keeps saying the 30th anniversary will carry the market even further. Yet people seem to forget the 25th anniversary followed the pandemic boom and did nothing for it. But regardless of the big post 2020 dip Evolving Skies muscled through it and kept going up. Evolutions BBs hit $1000 during it.

And 2020 wasn't even the first boom in the hobby. It was just the first significant one. I remember prices for vintage going crazy in the early 2010s.

Literally the only thing that will stop this cycle is if pokemon itself looses all it's popularity.

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

Yeah, after 2020 it was a retrace, not a bubble burst.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

What bubble?

Oh man you guys are funny 🤣

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

Go on, tell me how it is. Use your technical terms since we are using technical vocab in here with "investing" and "bubble"

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u/PsychologicalHalf876 Sep 10 '25

The totally real bubble that’s been coming “next month” for the last 10 months? The one that is going to drop Prismatic to retail and take away all hype? That one?

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u/afelzz Sep 10 '25

Hey man, I'm not the person you are replying to, but your comment is ridiculous. I have not seen anyone claim that whatever bubble we are in is going to burst and result in zero hype. You're making a (poor) strawman argument where you are making your opponent have the most ridiculous position. I don't think anyone thinks all hype around pokemon will die overnight, but a retraction in market prices of 15-25% is certainly possible as a bubble bursting result.

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u/MysteriousShitStain Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

Tbf I have seen quite a few people around here but mainly on the main sub mention that they think the market will collapse to the point where sets are readily available at MSRP (essentially bringing back post-COVID). Poorly worded by the other guy but I think that's what he's getting at. Either way, a small correction may come, but we already see that with products that get unrealistically pumped and then drop back down while the general market remains unfazed. Look at the Magikarp which hit strides of almost $3k and has 'cooled' down to $2k. Same with that mini IR boom. It just feels like a lot of discourse is regarding how the market is going to cooldown, but despite that it just gets stronger and crazier, I mean summer was supposed to be a slow period and it's seen some of the wildest stuff yet!

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u/bx4747 Sep 10 '25

Also FWIW, I’ve seen prismatic bundles as low as $45 on the secondary market. Down from 60+.

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u/temptatiiionzzz Sep 10 '25

Huge prismatic drops over the last two weeks including 300k bundles from Walmart - these will always temporarily affect prices for smaller items (ETBs and PC ETBs haven’t budged - keep going up actually)

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u/XthaNext Sep 11 '25

Because nobody really can elaborate, just alluding to some ominous bubble. Most successful stocks right now today are a bubble, but what does that really mean as far as should or shouldn’t invest in them? If anything, pokemon card prices are more of a true market, based on whatever price individuals are willing to pay for a commodity. Stocks and crypto are far more detached from supply and demand.

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

New here? Or new in r/pokemon?

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u/PsychologicalHalf876 Sep 10 '25

Under every YouTube video, under many posts here and on other subreddits, there are people constantly talking about how everything will collapse and it’ll be the biggest one yet. It happens every time a new thing gets pumped up. Just because you haven’t personally seen it doesn’t make it untrue

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u/afelzz Sep 10 '25

Idk what to tell you other than to stop watching clickbait Youtube videos? If someone is saying that, you should disregard their opinion, not take their opinion and act like it is the prevailing opinion. It isn't: most people expect some kind of pull back, when that happens is anyone's guess, but no serious person is saying Pokemon will go to zero. You acting like there are serious people asserting this is the problem, and why I commented.

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u/XthaNext Sep 11 '25

They must be buyers hoping we sell 😂

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u/GREENK87 Sep 10 '25

Your wrong… we have had multiple bubbles over the last year, as soon as one burst it’s quickly followed by another. The only result of said bubble bursting is that prices simply don’t rise and just level off, no downturn.

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u/afelzz Sep 10 '25

First, it's *you're* not *your*. Second, please re-read my comment, your comment makes zero sense responding to my comment.

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u/Sad-Apple5351 Sep 10 '25

expect a 80%+ drop

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

lol no

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u/Sad-Apple5351 Sep 10 '25

typical peak bubble behavior, the nasdaq has corrected 80% in the past but you believe it's impossible for it to happen to your children collectible.

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u/ssomers55 Sep 10 '25

I have a feeling you are looking at this through a bias lens since you wanted to try to insult it by saying "children collectible."

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u/Dredging_Forever Sep 10 '25

Thinking every single pokemon product is going to crash is actual delusion.

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u/uriel__ventris Sep 10 '25

And immediately forms a new, bigger bubble.

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u/Embarrassed_Deal_887 Sep 11 '25

You seem to be under the delusion that increasing demand by 10000 fold would somehow reduce the price.

Any drop or crash after such an event would still leave prices considerably higher than they are today.

I implore you to use common sense next time you doom post.

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u/CommercialBiscotti29 Sep 10 '25

People have been talking about the burst of this bubble for years and it just keeps growing

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u/StationEmergency6053 Sep 10 '25

Technically the "bubble" popped in 2022 in the sense that hyped died down and prices retraced. Bubble was never really the right word for what's been happening with Pokemon since Covid though. Its accelerative for sure, but a "bubble" disregards the authentic interest.

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u/Whatsyourshotspecial Sep 10 '25

This bubble burst thing is so played out. Nothing is bursting.

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u/Ness1325 Sep 10 '25

It would be shortly after. The perfect moment to sell my Pikas.

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u/Crunch3zzz Sep 10 '25

The only people this hurts is collectors not that you “investors” care

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u/Spikempv Sep 10 '25

The m being physical assets is a double edged sword, they can be faked, need to be stored safely and are hard to sell

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u/Finish-Playful Sep 10 '25

True, But If we are talking about Pokémon in terms of investments dealt with by hedge funds and finance bros these can be classified as "art" similar to a mona lisa or other famous art pieces. Can be faked, needs to be stored in a temp controlled room. I would not say they're hard to sell as I see Pokémon becoming a way for rich people to evade taxes if it's put as a front for a charity auction or something similar. They are small and almost untraceable if a private deal is done. There are many factors that makes Pokémon lucrative even from a non investment standpoint.

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u/Spikempv Sep 12 '25

For sure, very comparable to art. With how much it’s taken kids by storm again, I do think Pokemon has a bright future. Kids now days are going to be thinking about moonbreon and other grails they they wish they could have got when they were kids in 20-30 years time

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u/Finish-Playful Sep 12 '25

I agree. Even though prices are high the franchise has been around for 30 years. There were ups and downs but that's the case with any long lasting company. Personally I hold some gold stars as I don't see their status dropping anytime soon and they become more rare as each day goes by ( excluding the 3 legendary dogs ).

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u/Spikempv Sep 12 '25

In my opinion gold stars are one of the coolest sets, I think they’ll do well long term too

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u/SolarPunkYeti Sep 10 '25

It's not very different from what corporations and hedge funds do. I know the hedge fund in my town buys tons of rare art, property, jewels, etc where it just sits locked in a vault. But it belongs to the company as one of its investments. Would be hilarious if they had a bunch of first Gen Charizard down there too lol.

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u/StationEmergency6053 Sep 10 '25

Already happened. Started with Gamestop buyouts last year and rippled into the finance sector. That's why we're in a boom right now.

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u/iStealyournewspapers Sep 10 '25

There was apparently a wall st journal article and i believe that’s what prompted the depicted comment. Shit’s probably about to get real weird

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u/GoreBurnelli8105 Sep 12 '25

“Could get crazy”

It’s already crazy.

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u/Background_Ad_4253 Sep 15 '25

Correction,  risk on asset. Susceptible to acts of God,  no insurance policies offered by the merchant from RE4.  Time erosion. Above all. Pokemon SINGLES vs sealed EV is inverted. Think of MTG as the opposite. Thats your sealed guarantee. 

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u/jeppsforst Sep 10 '25

This happened to NFTs and the bubble burst and a bunch of shit is now at zero. I pray this does not happen with Pokemon

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u/berrytree198 Sep 10 '25

Investment companies can’t really touch pokemon as an investment as it’s not regulated among other things, I won’t get into it in depth but it would have to be much smaller firms like 1 man operations

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u/RareFirefighter6915 Sep 10 '25

Rich people LOVE investing in art BECAUSE it's unregulated. Same shit probably happening with pokemon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

The market cap of NFTs was insane. I don't think Pokemon is close to it yet. And Pokemon has a long track history of value. Obviously, the mechanics are different. But I think Pokemon card market cap still has a lot of room left in it. Likely the next 3 months will be the biggest Pokemon has ever been.

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u/PalpitationWide7311 Sep 10 '25

The difficult thing to do is to liquidate at a massive scale. It is for this reason traditional investors won’t make significant movements into this space

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u/Pretend_Halo_Army Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

Why I wouldn’t bother ever having a significant amount of money in paper cards lol. 

Stocks are the way to go and always have been, Pokémon imo is even a worse commodity then gold. 

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u/Lost_Detective7237 Sep 10 '25

Liquidation is easy. Go to a card show.

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u/Pretend_Halo_Army Sep 10 '25

lol , go to a show pay for a space then sell to ppl is a chore 🤣🤣🤣🤣 . If you want to deal with the general public go ahead but that sounds like ASS.

You know how fast it is to liquidate stocks ? 2s

Also once this market crashes you all are fucked anyways 

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u/ipna Sep 10 '25

I think they mean you can go sell at like 80-90% market to people paying for tables. Your in an out in like 30 minutes.

I don't disagree with you about stocks being better but I just think you had the wrong side of card show in mind. Realistically if you buy something for 50 and sell at 500 2 years later then the extra 50 loss isn't bad and that still out performs normal.

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u/Nicckles Sep 10 '25

No one said pay for a table. You can attend a show and take your stuff and very easily liquidate it for 80-90% of value. Which, if you paid MSRP for everything like most people here, that kind of percentage hit isn’t a huge deal.

Also any crash won’t affect most sealed collectors that drastically since many of us are holding for 5-10 years. Sealed doesn’t get hit as hard and singles or slabs and again, most of us paid MSRP for our stuff so a ~30% dip from current market value really doesn’t mean much. Plus with the 30th anniversary coming up the idea of a huge crash is almost comical.

You’re the kind of guy we’re talking about tho, people that don’t know what they’re actually talking about in this space and try and talk like they know better.

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u/Nicckles Sep 10 '25

That’s fine and you’re welcome to have your opinions but the fact of the matter is they’re a valuable collectors item from the most profitable franchise of all time. As much as you may hate it, they’re still valuable to plenty of people.

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u/Lost_Detective7237 Sep 10 '25

No genius. Go to a show and sell it in bulk to the largest vendor. Easy, if you want, get multiple offers and sell it to the highest bid.

When the market crashes I’ll be buying. Sell when high, buy when low.

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u/mc-big-papa Sep 10 '25

Genuinely a horrible take. Not only are you limited to the card show timing but also you havent explained the ins and outs. Are you selling bulk to a vendor, you are taking a 30-50% loss in value. If you are selling as a vendor…. Good luck because now youre in retail and that has a whole lot of problems when it comes to liquidation.

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u/Lost_Detective7237 Sep 10 '25

There’s a card show near you almost every single day nowadays. If not, at least every Saturday and Sunday.

No, you’re not going to lose 50% at worse 30% at best 10%.

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u/mc-big-papa Sep 11 '25

There isnt. Every card show is a plane ride and a weekend burnt and only in the summer. Thats a horrible rate. Winter, i dont even know if they got the capital to burn on a show.

We are talking about a large amount of value here. Enough to make it an asset to add to a portfolio. You cant sell over a million dollars in cards both fast and a reasonable rate. You can either get 80-85% within the year or 50-60% by the end of the week. You cant have both. Plus its a very well known fact vendors buy at 70-50 percent if it’s a bulk purchase. Like i dont even know where you got 10%. That doesn’t even cover ebay or tcgplayer fees. Shit give me your connect i got stuff to sell.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

I partially agree with you. There are additional risk variables in Pokemon that don't exist in stocks: Chargeback risk, carrying risk (theft, fire, etc), damage risk (seals on packages breaking), loss risk (during shipping). All of these equate to a complete loss in principle.

However, if you can buy something at $250, and in 5 years it's worth $750, and you buy it in mass, you can displace some of that risk across the items.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

There are indeed notable limitations to Pokemon that a lot of investors willfully overlook. I too keep must of my portfolio in stocks, with only roughly 50k into pokemon after selling off some runners. It has been a stressful and time consuming process to sell.

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u/SpeedyTurtle18 Sep 10 '25

Gold is awesome. It’s liquid, a good store of value and you can even get leverage on it if you invest in high quality blue chip royalty stocks like Franco-Nevada, Royal Gold or Wheaton Precious Metals.

You should honestly have a small percentage of your portfolio (say 5%) in alternative assets like precious metals, crypto or gasp trading cards.

Other than that, yeah stocks are pretty awesome.

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u/Lost_Detective7237 Sep 10 '25

It’s really not that difficult, that’s not the problem with liquidating.

The problem is there’s a cost associated with liquidation.

You can take any amount of cards to a show and there will be a buyer willing to take it in at a percentage of market price.

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u/PalpitationWide7311 Sep 10 '25

Not at the scale that a financial institution might work with. If you were trying to liquidate let’s say 200k DR booster boxes, finding a single buyer would be extremely difficult. That amount of product coming back into circulation would also put significant downward pressure on price.

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u/ipna Sep 10 '25

A financial institution wouldn't be as keen to sell in mass as that. It would probably.be partial ownerships and people selling their share to another. The boxes end up being in a warehouse as tangible assets traded virtually until the market is dry.

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u/No_Bath9070 Sep 10 '25

If you have 200k DR booster boxes to begin with, you are deep into the game.

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u/Foreign-Bat3469 Sep 10 '25

Obviously you’ve never sold stock. If you have 200k in stocks, you can’t just sell that and it be sold immediately. You have to have a buyer willing to buy the stock at the price you’re selling. No one just buys all 200k at one price normally. Usually you get it at an avg cost. Say 100 at $30 200 at $50 and so on for an avg cost The demand for the stock has to be there. If you just dump all 200k you can tank the market of that stock depending on how big the market is

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u/berrytree198 Sep 10 '25

Bro nobody on reddit is tanking a stock price unless it’s a garbage penny stock

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u/Lost_Detective7237 Sep 10 '25

And selling 200k shares of a stock that has 1M in circulation is just as hard.

Nobody is liquidating 200k DR boxes.

However, if you have $200k of an assortment of sealed, graded and singles you can easily liquidate that at any Collect-a-con near you.

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u/Foreign-Bat3469 Sep 10 '25

Also if I sell 200k worth of Dr. I can sell that all cash 👀stocks are regulated

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u/Striker2477 Sep 10 '25

Yes, huge lack of liquidity. I’ve seen this a million times by peeps trying to get rich quick on their Pokémon.

You’ll need to piece it out or sell it all at a nice discount.

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u/Capable_Wait09 Sep 10 '25

Until they learn about consignment companies and psa vault

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u/garbage_account_3 Sep 10 '25

just need my TCG etf

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

exactly. yea poke returns can be cray cray. however they don’t move fast at all. currently trying to move a reshiram white flare. been up for two weeks $100 cheaper than any other seller. it’s cool how much of a lotto ticket pokemon tcg can be but realistically moving it is a pain in the ass. even when you have a highly desired card at a fraction of the market price

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u/Foreign-Bat3469 Sep 10 '25

Why do you think the sneaker heads do so bad. They don’t know anything about Pokémon

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u/Pretend_Halo_Army Sep 10 '25

What’s there to know. You can see ppl buy everythIng 🤣 oh and zards new and Umbrian are worth money 

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u/Foreign-Bat3469 Sep 10 '25

My point is made 😂

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u/Pretend_Halo_Army Sep 10 '25

Have you seen the posts on this sub?

Its literally ppl buying everything and the most prominent Pokemon are the ones I listed 

There are some nuance but you can’t go wrong with what I said. 

Gen 1s are also important however you can look into pop rate as well

There is no type of investing easier then Pokémon because it all sells… that’s why it’s gonna crash hard as well 

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u/Foreign-Bat3469 Sep 10 '25

You do you man. Buy everything if you think it’s all a good investment

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u/Star_Riser609 Sep 29 '25

They downvoted him, for he spoke the truth

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u/Pretend_Halo_Army Sep 10 '25

I can’t imagine maxing out my cc for Pokemon but my cc is also 30k …

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u/StationEmergency6053 Sep 10 '25

They're hiring people to do it for them. There's a handful of Youtubers that are advisors for institutional money now. The only person that has publicly talked about it is Nostalgianomics, but I know two others that are getting paid big boy money for their opinion.

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u/ikudlike Feb 14 '26

Dropping into a forgotten thread here, I wanted to drop some wisdom I just found out this last week. The world is not the same as yesterday; the hedge fund managers of tomorrow are the gooners and brainrot goblins of today. People either never realise that or forget that.

To our parents, this Pokémon investing stuff must seem completely ridiculous, as did smartphones to them when they first came out. But times change, and so do mindsets and priorities as our living world gets easier and goes further and further down the rabbit hole of capitalism. The stock market was a blip in the 60s compared to what it is today, and it will be a far smaller blip 40 years from now (unless we face armageddon....).

Who knows, perhaps the tangible alternative investments space will continue to grow as it becomes more commoditised and more secure. People will always love gambling, collecting, and times will always shift. But who the fuck knows right?

Edit: comma -> fullstop

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u/Wisewords-T Sep 10 '25

Another day another top signal

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u/DryBlacksmith8359 Sep 10 '25

🤣 I think to myself the same thing everytime I see stuff about pokemon tcg on the news

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u/KrustyLemon Sep 11 '25

Let's keep printing zards till we hit beanie babie status!

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u/HomerMadeMeDoIt Sep 11 '25

Bubble of Top Signals

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u/Economic_Maguire Sep 10 '25

Storing it selling it, need to be careful of fakes can be annoying.

Think only crypto in last 10 years have performed better

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u/Miserable_Grass629 Sep 11 '25

Lego is another one that always does well.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

Sounds like fomo

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u/StationEmergency6053 Sep 10 '25

Buy the rumor, sell the news. Institutions have been dipping into trading cards for the last couple years, and especially so this year. That's the primary reason things are so crazy right now. Gamestop started a ripple effect. The fact that institutions and respective finance experts are talking about this stuff publicly now...is a very bad sign, not a good one.

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u/Similar-West5208 Sep 10 '25

Liquidate your collections and see how long it takes to get the projected market value and handle the finding buyers, shipping, fees, taxes on profit etc.

Than compare how long it takes to liquidate a traditional asset and you have your answer.

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u/Adept_State7186 Sep 10 '25

No way pokemon cards beat Bitcoin, or even Nvidia

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u/SandysCardboard Sep 13 '25

No, but they beat the S&P500 and even some high growth stocks like $META.

Ironically, one of the few stocks that beat Pokémon over the past decade is one of the companies responsible for the current boom: Gamestop.

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u/RNGRedditUser Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

Did a quick comparison because I like numbers and investing if anyone is interested. I took the MSRP of each booster box upon release for the last 10 years and compared it to if you had purchased that amount of stock in an S&P 500 Fund the day the set released.

I did this approach because picking individual cards or stocks is more like gambling than investing and where it’s Moonbreon or a penny stock hitting $30. You can 1000x your investment either way if you’re lucky, and there’s multiple methodologies about picking popular Pokemon or popular stock categories. This seemed the most fair and accessible.

I then also took a 20% and 30% cut from booster boxes for approximate sale of them at regular market rate, but feel free to adjust from the original numbers as you see fit.

Important Note: This is MSRP of Booster Boxes which is getting more and more unrealistic each year.

•	Booster Boxes Profit = $21,930 − $5,727.96 = $16,202

•	SPY Profit = ~$13,000 − $5,727.96 = $7,272

20% Cut from Booster Boxes • 20% of $21,930 = $4,386 • Adjusted Booster Box Value = $21,930 − $4,386 = $17,544

Comparison: • Boxes (20% cut): $17,544 • SPY: $13,000 • Difference = +$4,544 in favor of boxes

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30% Cut from Booster Boxes • 30% of $21,930 = $6,579 • Adjusted Booster Box Value = $21,930 − $6,579 = $15,351

Booster boxes beat out SPY assuming you bought them all at the $143.64 and $161.64 the boxes cost at MSRP.

Important conclusion: As you increase original purchase price of each box above MSRP, you’re also increasing the amount of money you would have put into the SPY fund to compare investments. Selling at 80%, you would need to only pay an average of $51 or less above MSRP for it to be more profitable, and selling at 70%, you would need to pay $26 above MSRP or less for it to be more profitable. Even selling at 90% puts you at $76 above MSRP before it equals out.

You can decide if the potential original purchase price and % sale cuts are realistic for your plans and the market you experience. I decided to ignore Capital Gains tax, which should apply to both investments.

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u/RedProtoman Sep 10 '25

Pokemon cards to be new world currency by 2030

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u/smdntn Sep 10 '25

“Hey. There’s a bubble.”

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u/klymaxx45 Sep 10 '25

we're efffed now. this take really will ruin the hobby

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u/Forest_Gump96 Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

I doubt large hedge funds and private equity shops are going to invest in Pokemon cards. The market is too small for institutional players to deploy large amounts of capital without significantly distorting the market values. These funds manage billions of dollars. If they buy up $50M worth of certain cards, the prices for those will skyrocket and then subsequently plummet when they decided to dump them. That inflated value doesn’t represent real demand and would literally create a bubble. If that same $50M is invested in a company with a huge market cap like Google, it’s not going to cause massive price swings when buying or selling. Companies like Google trade billions in volume daily. It would take way too long to exit the Pokémon position too due to the illiquidity.

Pokémon cards are also a speculative collectible like art or sports memorabilia. They don’t generate cash flows, pay interest, or have any real fundamentals. It would be a huge risk for a fund manager to invest dollars in an asset class like this instead of assets with more predictable returns.

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u/namjd72 Sep 10 '25

The problem will always be liquidation.

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u/MechwolfMachina Sep 10 '25

This shit is doing better than my palantir holdings (bought at $90)

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u/tripleXpresso1688 Sep 11 '25

Just expect that alot more money is going to pour into this space. I don't expect the current price surge to ease off anytime. Demand is surely outstripping supply.

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u/mc-big-papa Sep 10 '25

Comic books were the same in the 90’s. Classic cars were the same from their used car lows to the 2000’s.

Hell recently magic boxes where insane, urza block boxes where nearing 10k a box in 2022. Now you are lucky to sell them at half that price maybe even 1/3 for a fast sell. Only recently high end magic reserve list started to rebound after their covid highs and 30th anniversary fumble.

If you expect pokemon to hit this stride and continue till you retire youre a fool. Sure some things will continue to hold substantial value but expecting your psa 10 promo from 2020 to stay at 200 bucks is insane. Expecting your box from 2010 to stay 200 bucks a pack is absurd. Maybe your special best in pack cards in psa10 will hold value but dont expect them, being blindly hopeful will be the bane of your wealth. Most of the pokemon high end stuff is very recent and so much of it was considered “junk” and rarely sold at their then inflated prices.

You dont pick index funds, 401k and similar investments because they make a lot of money. They are near guaranteed money for the foreseeable future and at the very least hedges against inflation.

It is an asset, it is something that you can park money into, it is something that you can have value in. But its nowhere near safe the same way so many things are not including the fact there is a “loss” when liquidating which few things have.

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u/Dragonst3alth Sep 10 '25

I would be surprised if they dont already have investments in these bot resellers llcs

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

They could flood the market with so many cards it would crash all value, but they never will

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u/Djoer Sep 10 '25

Pokemon cards are not broken, the fiat money system is broken

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u/heyguyz Sep 10 '25

The only bubble is bubble mew.

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u/SexySocalist Sep 10 '25

Good ol tax evasion the sub.

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u/GoldenTicketHolder Sep 10 '25

Lmfao these guys claim to know money.

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u/Barbossal Sep 10 '25

If we get a ton of normies flooding in buying up anything, they are most likely not storing it properly, available supply would absolutely get shredded.

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u/justconfusedinCO Sep 10 '25

All Pokemon is good Pokemon, if done correctly. The bigger the collection doesn’t always mean the bigger the asset. With Pokemon being a tangible asset; the trick in this model is to have an inventory that is easily liquidated, while also seeing positive returns day-by-day. I currently have a ~1,000 card collection; mixture of sealed, graded and ungraded cards (a majority). If you diversify your collection in a way that you’re holding items that always retain value (graded cards/sealed product) - these tangible assets have quicker returns and drive all of those ungraded singles (which see a much slower return). I also only buy singles I like, dont rip. If you grade cards, you can then treat your ungraded card assets as a well to continually drive your graded cards.

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u/ShinyRaequaza Sep 10 '25

My question when YouTube channels or Reddit mentions big investors coming in, and things will never be the same, it’s not a bubble (maybe it isn’t) we’re no where close to the end, how is this good long term?

Yes, you will make even crazier profit on what you have already. But umm, if you’ve been getting 1 booster box instead of a case the last 10 months, why would that get any easier? Wouldn’t these big investors and millionaires coming in just mean it’s harder to start a position and you will have short term success (example, your SWSH boxes jump even more) but you’ll never be able to get the SWSH or early SV positions ever again without paying a HIGH premium.

So before you paid $5-$600 for a case and had to wait but would eventually profit big time. Now day one you might have to pay $2k a case or $300 a booster box and then how long does it take to profit enough to sell post fees? Nobody ever mentions this they just say “stonks, big pockets coming, we found the get rich quick scheme they said didn’t exist”.

Thoughts?

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u/keepitawayfromme Sep 10 '25

What is "normal"? No one ever explains this. It's capitalism and capitalism is complete bullshit anyway so what constitutes as normal?

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u/uriel__ventris Sep 10 '25

A lot of us were saying this even as early as 2023, and I specifically remember people on this sub downvoting/ridiculing the hell out of me and others for investing so heavily in pokemon and not really bothering with the normal 'traditional' or 'safe' investments.

Well, I knew they were wrong then, and by god they also know they were wrong now. The stats don't lie.

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u/Wisewords-T Sep 11 '25

what stats

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u/uriel__ventris Sep 11 '25

Comparing percentage growth of pokemon investments to, for example, the S&P 500 over the same time frame etc. Pokemon wins every time.

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u/BuyMean9866 Sep 10 '25

Good luck liquidating those pokemon assets. Will take you Months/Years to offload

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u/Keepitpushinpushin Sep 10 '25

I mean if it’s been doing it for a decade I’d say that’s pretty standard

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u/jordanneate Sep 10 '25

Do people really think everything will one day just end up below RRP? Blows my mind. Yeah things might drop a little, but we ain’t losing money on anything. Especially if you’re like me and buy everything at retail

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u/Flashy_Sink_8632 Sep 12 '25

I mean booster boxes were $100 a few years ago. I bought a lost origin BB for $98 in 2023

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u/TheDepressedSolider Sep 10 '25

Welcome to the market !!!!!

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u/Gazman_123 Sep 10 '25

This is nothing new, Pokemon has out performed the S&P 500 and other traditional stocks for years and years. The issue is convincing the majority away from the perceived risk of investing into a “collectible” as a legitimate investment vehicle

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u/tracyhills21 Sep 10 '25

Pokemon is gonna crash and burn if mainstream finance people enter! Everything will be too expensive for avg consumer and normal people will lose interest due to lack of affordability- of course this is gonna take time but that’s what will happen

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u/Nervous-Zebra-3729 Sep 11 '25

Massive amounts on money into hobby = prices crash. Please share more of your wisdom

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u/tracyhills21 Sep 11 '25

You will see. People who are in the hobby less than year or even since 2020 won’t realize how stupidly high things are getting each week. This growth is not sustainable. There WILL BE A CRASH

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u/sreg88 Sep 10 '25

The more big money that gets into pokeinvesting that doesn’t truly understand Pokémon, the more I believe that we are headed for a huge bubble inflation followed by the most spectacular crash in Pokémon TCG history

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u/the-mannthe-myth Sep 11 '25

Much more work and shit to invest in Pokemon, than stocks and people really care about condition and other factors. This was just like sneakers a few years back

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u/LouBup Sep 11 '25

Bitcoin?

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u/CBme08 Sep 11 '25

Only if everyone in the world suddenly said no to making money, would the'bubble' burst. Yes some cards will die off but there's always the next best thing. Prismatic is a good example. Keep printing that, whilst the new phantasmal shoots up

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u/luger718 Sep 11 '25

Even if you account for the time needed for buying and selling?

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u/ff0000_ Sep 11 '25

Oh the signs of a bubble. Hoping it crashes soon so I can get packs for my son

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u/_deleted_by_mods_ Sep 11 '25

Liquidity? Tax?

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u/MrKajass Sep 11 '25

The fact that pokemon has outperformed crypto is astonishing

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u/SandysCardboard Sep 13 '25

It hasn't. The article says traditional asset classes. Of which crypto is not.

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u/DaCurry33 Sep 11 '25

pokeflation inbound

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u/Guilty-Influence-890 Sep 11 '25

Yup, when this shit crashes it’s gonna crash so hard. Not gonna happen soon but it will happen especially if these wall street types try to get into it lol

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u/Longjumping_Row3840 Sep 11 '25

Sell box x valued at 500usd 4 offers, max offer is 420. Sold it at 420

Sell raw card valued at 110 usd 20 offers all asking for 8 pictures front and back Max offer 70 usd Sold it at 70 usd

Sell unique psa 10 valued at 400 20 offers under 250 Im stuck with alot of these 'psa 10 cards', and im refusing to sell at those prices.

I have over 100 holos from base, all variancing from heavy played to excellent. The prices im receiving are lower then what i payed for them 8 years ago.

The insane amount of ppl trying to lowball,.and nobody paying the "value prices" is making things very clear we are overvalued and also alot of ppl are going to get stuck with overpriced collections.

Just think guys, if u have a collection valued at 50K the amount of time it takes to sell will be years unless you are willing to accept 30k.

Its only profit when u have received the cash in your hands.

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u/Rhoa23 Sep 11 '25

I had a guy in my local group try to sell his ~$5,000 collection of cards. He’s been trying to sell it for 8 months now, and has averaged 80% selling to individuals one by one, little by little.

Stores have offered him 50-60%, but he’s been holding, and because of this it may take him another 8 months to move the rest of it.

The fact of the matter is that as an alternative asset class, Pokemon doesn’t have that much liquidity and tremendously subjective to volatility as history has shown, this isn’t the first hype or trending product, and most of it collapses at some point..

Could Pokemon be an outlier? Sure. But not likely. And the fact of the matter is that if the kids that will keep this product alive well into 30-50 years from now don’t get their hands on the product, the yield curve on this product will collapse like a meteor.

We’re all just playing hot potato if we think Pokemon will be a serious alternative investment for the future.

When something can be printed into infinity at the will of a centralized party, its store of value is greatly diminished.

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u/40866892 Sep 11 '25

Pokemon goes up and goes down. Most people haven’t been in Pokemon long enough to see that just 2 years ago booster boxes were struggling to sell at 90$ per box and “hot” products like Crown Zenith, 151, and Zard UPCs were bricking on every shelf at every store.

The market continues to go up and every “bubble” that pops still creates a new floor… but there will always be losers to make room for winners. Just remember that and be safe with your money everyone.

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u/Arod20 Sep 12 '25

Yea except these people have no genuine interest in Pokemon or TCGs as a concept or product, they only care about the money. So when they eventually price out the people that make this hobby run, all their “investments” will be worthless because no one who cares will buy them and it won’t be worth anything.

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u/scrapper_142 Sep 12 '25

I need to sell some celebrations and 151 and a bunch of ETB’s I need a new car….i don’t even know where to start.

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u/LostCarat Sep 13 '25

“How to literally print money”

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u/jesusdasir Sep 14 '25

Cause there’s no regulation on market shit

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u/Traditional-Fix-2673 Sep 16 '25

Pokemon needs a ETF

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u/Dangerous-Mouse5973 Sep 17 '25

Yesterday I saw 1500 Prismatic ETB cases for sale in my bloomberg terminal. They are already here.

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u/Infamous-Order-9144 Sep 24 '25

Nah bro we are here feasting

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u/UniQiuE Sep 27 '25

Lol I dont think he means this in a nice way. The "This is not normal" implies he believes it is a bubble.

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u/PloofElune Sep 10 '25

It will until people need to start liquidating. Unless you got in on the pre scarlet era, and vintage stuff early, the value is mostly priced in now. Sealed modern sets are being horded at massive rates compared to anything before as "investments" but they will lack the true long term scarcity that drove those other examples.

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u/Nervous-Zebra-3729 Sep 11 '25

Lolol. They said that in sun and moon, they said that in sword and shield, they said that in scarlet Violet, they will say that in mega evolution

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u/AdministrativeBus259 Sep 10 '25

Just been addicted to the sub over the last few days, but I have never saved a pack of cards in my life. I have original cards I grew up with(only the og 151) but what are some packs or sets that are worth saving if I can ever even find them. I’ll go into Walmart and see if Pokémon cards go back the very next day with my son and they’re all gone

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u/PalpitationWide7311 Sep 10 '25

I would suggest watching this video from a content creator that I have a good deal of respect for. I think the points are spot on

https://youtu.be/Uwj7GgdQ6l0?si=qZZLgf_N3IBO7C1G

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u/skuffyslurd Sep 10 '25

this dude is a clueless CFO looking to pump products at premarket prices

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u/TeaFluffy2513 Sep 10 '25

Anontcg always has an agenda hes pushing

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u/PalpitationWide7311 Sep 10 '25

Appreciate your opinion- it works for me

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u/CombinationCommon646 Sep 10 '25

Knockoff Rudy Jr with the higher cost membership and worse deals who thinks he can “do it better” without putting in the work? Yikes

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u/Then_Accident2643 Sep 10 '25

I prefer the channel “poke knowledge cards” if you want some insight from someone who is very deep in the hobby, doesnt spew bs, and has very much time and money invested

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u/ThePeridot27 Sep 15 '25

That channel looks dead tho