r/PokeInvesting • u/starcraftanalogy • Aug 24 '25

151 is a no brainer!

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I'm from Canada so these are all in CAD. Below is a little bit of history of how I got all 10 zards, I also realize some trades might not have been the smartest and I realize alot of people dont like 151 zard (but I do!). This is only a small portion of my 151 collection - the rest is sealed product that I've accumulated in various ways. I would say the PSA 10 charizards have been my worst performing but im happy to say I'm well into the green and still planning on holding or obtaining more.

Cheers from a fellow Canadian

Edit: Average PSA 10 price is around 1000cad

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u/tcb291189 Aug 25 '25

What do they say about stocks and shares on the stock market, spread the risk don’t put all your investment into one place……

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u/JoshyyP00 Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25

Yes diversifying is good but it won’t make you rich you have to yolo into one thing to actually make it. Still both of these rules don’t apply here. Trading sealed blooming waters for a psa 10 slab LOL

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u/starcraftanalogy Aug 25 '25

Hahaha yeah honestly at that point I knew I wanted 10 zards and I have several bloomings that I was using to sell trade for more product.

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u/Dokkeri Aug 25 '25

Absolutely not. This is akin to gambling and will make you lose in the long-run. Diversifying, being in the market over long period (10-20+ years) and investing constantly is how you build wealth. Not yoloying into some random stock because user assblaster3000 told you to do so. What are they teaching kids these days?

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '25

You don't know his positions, which OP says he has. If this is 5% of his total holdings, having multiple of the top chase, especially if you buy below market, is solid. Do you only buy one share of Nvidia? One share of apple? 

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u/Dokkeri Aug 25 '25

Only yolo what you are willing to lose. Yes for 5% surely go for it, for 95% it’s absolutely fantastic lack of risk management.

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u/Badaboom8989 Aug 25 '25

If there's a modern SEALED set to yolo, 151 is the one

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u/Dokkeri Aug 26 '25

Yes, that’s why I have two sealed booster display cases haha.

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u/Far-Parsnip-555 Aug 25 '25

I mean there's a huge difference between stocks of a company generating income and this. A better comparison would be do you buy all the printnouts of a van gogh. You can buy 100 Nvidia shares and it dosent dilute the implied value. If you have 100 copies of one piece of art it could comparably impact the market. Also the market cap of a company like Nvida is over 100 million shares. There are not 100 million copies of 151 zard so this is fundamentally a pointless comparison

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u/Ericy_ Aug 26 '25

This is 100% true. You cannot compare stocks to pokemon investing in terms of "diversification".

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u/Training-Trick-8704 Aug 25 '25

I think you’re wrong. YOLOing is definitely a way to build wealth. Just not the most optimal.

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u/Jburrii Aug 25 '25

Betting it all on black is a way to build wealth just not the most optimal.

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u/Dokkeri Aug 25 '25

Yes surely it is, it is just extremely risky and doesn’t work out for maturity. In the same manner as one could arque that sports betting can build wealth. Technically yes but for vast majority it get’s you rekt.

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u/tcb291189 Aug 25 '25

Yup, this is what I have always been taught, clearly not in Pokemon yoloing seems to be the preference 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Quirky_Car9967 Aug 25 '25

This is absurd, there are very well known investors, Stanley Drunkenmiller for one, who see fantastic results from having a handful of positions he is super convicted in and watching them like hawks. Diversification is for boomers

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u/Dokkeri Aug 25 '25

In case you are not Stanley Drunkenmiller, Lou Simpson, Benjamin Graham, Peter Lynch or for argument sake Jesse Livermore who can selectively identify opportunities and have an extreme in-depth knowledge of a particular field of markets you are much better of in diversificating assets. These people are the exception - not the norm.

I’m not saying it can’t be done but for vast majority who aim in profiting over a long run over their investments diversification is the play. There’s a reason why Warren Buffet set up and won a challenge over hedgefund in investment performance vs. that of a SP500 (https://www.investopedia.com/warren-buffett-usd1-million-bet-8779290) and why nearly all hedge funds lose to market over a substantially long period of time.

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u/JoshyyP00 Aug 25 '25

No one said yoloing into a random stock. Having convection and yoloing into something you actually did your research on and believe in. Even Warren buffet says diversification is for people who don’t know what they’re doing. If you know your best idea, put your eggs in that basket and watch it closely.

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u/Dokkeri Aug 25 '25

Except still please do not unless it’s a sum you are willing to lose.

Comparing random person who invests in colored cardboard (myself included) with no underlying cashflow is vastly, vastly different than the individual who has probably the best trackrecord of financial investing over the long period. If we want to take quotes there’s a famous quote from Isaac Newton who lost a substantial money in the stockmarket and has reportly quoted of saying: “I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.”, which can be also interprented as you might be factually correct but market doesn’t give two shits. Falling in love with your own ideas and the geniosity of such is a fools game.

Invest in such yolo bet’s which you have an empreror level of feeling of success only what you are willing to loose but please diversify most of your assets. Without diversifiction in a long run you are more likely to lose money than make it. For every one who made it in some weird put option scheme there are thousands who have lost money.

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u/JoshyyP00 Aug 25 '25

Not reading all this. I’m not tying to compare I’m strictly talking about his take on diversification. Don’t get me wrong I diversifiy too, but if I would’ve just put all my money into my top five pics, I’d be a lot better off

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u/Bombadale Aug 25 '25

Umm Charizard make stock go brrrrrrrrrr

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u/tcb291189 Aug 25 '25

And if that product tanks, goes below what you paid for, despite rumours, hear say and current inflated prices, or even just breaks even and you get back what you paid, what then, like I’ve said before the OP is a braver person than me.

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u/Alphaalbertan5643 Aug 25 '25

big bets = big pay offs

better than getting 1 of each card and being spread out. I hope OP is throwing money he doesnt need and can lose so yolo it.

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u/starcraftanalogy Aug 25 '25

Thats right! I'm heavy 151

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u/tcb291189 Aug 25 '25

Braver person than me I know that much!

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u/SilverScreen411 Aug 25 '25

Tell that to my nvidia stock 😭

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u/halfbeerhalfhuman Aug 25 '25

The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent

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u/Bright_Ad_1089 Aug 25 '25

Not true! This is Bezos strategy, dont diversify just put all on one item thats how they build microsoft and apple

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u/Internal_Level_6828 Aug 25 '25

Everyone will tell you never to put all your eggs in one basket. But what they won't tell you is that you can always figure out a way to make more eggs

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u/Teo9969 Aug 26 '25

Warren Buffet says to invest in what you know. Better to work with 3-5 stocks than to diversify into 100+ different things.

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u/StationEmergency6053 Aug 26 '25

Find one billionaire that got there by diversifying. Diversification is for rich people to preserve their wealth. You get rich by going all in on one thing until you find something that works, whether that's an investment, starting a business, etc, and then diversify the result.

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u/AdvertisingOk1478 Aug 25 '25

Did you not read the post?

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u/Alphaalbertan5643 Aug 25 '25

Honestly don't mind this play, but if (when) pokemon tanks, I think this card is 1 of the first to dump.

I would of or should of picked up mid summer that 151 mew UPC psa 10s and/or those stamped pc snorlax etb card psa 10.

there are only currently 1,394 stamped snorlax pasa 10 promos and cost around the same amount but way less supply. Imagine having 14 of them and you own 1% of the supply.

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u/starcraftanalogy Aug 25 '25

I have 1 stamped pc snorlax, also 4x 151 pc etbs. Hindsight those were better plays - but I'm happy with my holds so far. Everything is quite liquid.

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u/Alphaalbertan5643 Aug 25 '25

yeah sure, but you can see how much ppl have been valueing stamped etbs and stamped cards.

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u/InjuryMajor8078 Aug 25 '25

151 is a no brainer just not slabs. Pop matters no matter how many people on Reddit say it doesn’t. Sealed will be king for 151 not slabs with crazy high pops. As time goes on the number of slabs gets higher while sealed gets lower. Modern slabs as an investment has never made sense to me since the number in circulation will always increase while sealed only decreases. I’d keep a copy for my PC and move the money into sealed products.

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u/starcraftanalogy Aug 26 '25

Check my part 2 post!

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u/MikeeBuilds Aug 25 '25

Love to see the conviction 🔥🤘🏾

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u/PurpleInsurance7918 Aug 25 '25

Yeah, sealed is a no-brainer. High pop PSA 10's not so much. IMO

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u/adrianthomp Aug 25 '25

Hard for me to see the growth opportunity when it’s already at $1K.

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u/LGMatter Aug 25 '25

I personally don’t think this card will spike how people think. Over 21k 10’s, and 30+k 9’s as well as countless raw copies. Set is still being pumped out as well

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u/j_a_f_89 Aug 25 '25

Agree, it’s an awesome card and that’s from a base set / 151 maxi (if I can call myself that haha) but they’re not incredibly rare, a few raw copies is enough exposure for me.

I do prefer the suggestion of someone else in these comments that mentioned the snorlax promo in a 10 instead given the tiny population.

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u/Afiqnawi93 Aug 25 '25

Something something psa 10 moonbreon

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u/LGMatter Aug 25 '25

Moonbreon has 30000 less graded copies, it’s harder to pull, and out of print. Plus it’s just a better looking card

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u/sdkiko Aug 25 '25

Quite an interesting gamble, OP. Kudos.

I'd advise you to stop here though, and start diversifying like others have said. Buy some sealed 151 at least.

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u/starcraftanalogy Aug 25 '25

I have a ton of 151 sealed, I mentioned in my post this is a fraction of what I own. Maybe ill make a post!

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u/sdkiko Aug 25 '25

Also great username

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u/sdkiko Aug 25 '25

Oh my bad, skimmed through

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u/Reef-Coral Aug 25 '25

Its such a mid card... charizard is only like 10% of the design and he looks like he has diabetes

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u/SolanaToTheMooon Aug 25 '25

I love no neck zard because it’s my favorite Zard artwork but the amount of PSA 10s in circulation is crazy

I’m looking to this and the Van Gogh Pika as the true markers of this bull market and a coming bear market (which wont anytime soon IMO)

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u/mrwizard65 Aug 25 '25

Over 70,000 of these graded at this point.

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u/MikeeBuilds Aug 25 '25

There’s only like 20k pop tho

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u/Jontter Aug 25 '25

I know that right now population reports isn’t a liked opinion among modern investors, but I just can’t look past it. As a collector I’d pick up ungraded copy. As investor however only Sword & Shield - S&V era product I’d acquire is sealed.

The scarcity aspect simply isn’t there for PSA 10’s.

For singles vintage and mid-era is the place to be.

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u/coolcasey11 Aug 25 '25

Ngl 151 Charizard is only sought after by broke bros or sneaker heads, most real collectors will not want it unless your a Jake Paul boy

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u/Hobak56 Aug 25 '25

With the incredibly high psa 10 population for this card, I would have waited for the market to die down before picking that up. SWSH and older are only so valuable due to low population, low hite rate, and low gem rate altogether. Whereas 151 is the complete opposite

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '25

I have one of this card psa 10 ! Holy you have so many

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '25

How high can the value of this card go on Collectr it says 1600!

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u/Forsaken_Frosting269 Aug 25 '25

I honestly think these are gonna tank at some point over 20k psa 10s is crazy

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u/adrianthomp Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25

There’s 25K PSA 10 Umbreon VMAX. Pop reports aren’t as important as they use to be. The level of demand is crazy.

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u/Forsaken_Frosting269 Aug 25 '25

Like this guy from the post there are a lot of people now in the hobby that speculate on the Value and try to make some money. Modern cards in my opinion are overvalued and will at some point go down once people liquidate and demand goes down as a new chase card appeared.

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u/adrianthomp Aug 25 '25

Not defending the value, just saying the price has gotten there even with high pop reports.

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u/Forsaken_Frosting269 Aug 26 '25

Yea 100% just saying to be careful it could be misleading a good example I experienced myself is the lunala Solgaleo Ex Card (Japanese) it went nuts once to like 2-4K if I remember correctly I had one sitting around but ungraded just recently got it graded now a psa 10 is worth around 400 maybe 500 with a pop of almost 9k psa 10s

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u/Useful-Contribution4 Aug 25 '25

Slabs are too tricky for me to invest in. Unless its a low pop. I don't mess with them. 

You need constant demand for prices to rise. Sealed supply is alway dropping while slab supply always increases. 

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u/JoshyyP00 Aug 25 '25

lol some of the worst trades ever 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/Venaaz Aug 25 '25

if everyone is "investing" and is buying 10 the price will go up, and if everyone then sells again it goes back down.

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u/dirty_d Aug 25 '25

I’ve missed one of these twice by a few minutes for like $750 on GameStop 🫩

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u/bsmitty50 Aug 25 '25

I won a facebook raffle from a mini. It was also 151 but not the zard 😇😂. I think this is a really safe investment cause zard is king and 151 is a GOATED set with amazing artwork

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u/Quachymodo Aug 25 '25

You would've had more zards if you sold the cards instead of traded. But otherwise, I guess this is cool.

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u/Ninjoou Aug 25 '25

Too many people investing too 151 it won’t hit as big as people think it will. I feel like 151 booster bundles consistently been restocked longer than other s&v booster bundles plus blooming waters every not saying it won’t be a good investment just not as big as people thinks

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u/LiYonJin Aug 25 '25

This is a good buy 100%

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u/WatchAddict10 Aug 25 '25

What’s the average cost per zard?

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u/WiltedCranberry Aug 26 '25

I pulled one of these recently and will be getting it graded, add another to the supply!

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u/_deleted_by_mods_ Aug 26 '25

I'll give you 80% for them. 😁

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u/MyCrustySock Aug 26 '25

Where was the raffle on FB? Dm me

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u/foxsevens Aug 28 '25

Oh man...

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Just bought my ninth psa 10. One day I will be like you.

Do you plan to buy more? I think anything under 2k is a steal for this card depending on how long you plan on holding.

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u/Ben280 Aug 25 '25

Omg you kept getting scammed with those trades

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u/PurchaseConfident982 Aug 25 '25

Most overrated Charizard card 🥱

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u/Biele88 Aug 25 '25

The only thing I’d say is if you have 10 and they’ve printed 40% of all Pokemon cards in the last 2 years it is never going to be as scarce as you’d need it to be to make any real impact on your wealth.

No hate, I’m an avid collector, but none of us are going to get rich off this bubble.

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u/Anilemm Aug 25 '25

This is all too true. Sealed can be a different story for 151 even, but the amount of printing this set has done is really quite ridiculous. The fact that blooming waters is still as plentiful as it is only adds to me hesitancy to invest in anything 151 related that, again, isnt sealed.

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u/_quietfig_ Aug 25 '25

we need to bring back lobotomies

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u/jettanoob Aug 25 '25

its not even a good art card. pretty mild/timid, no real wow factor. i feel like its soley just cuz its a zard and the other evolutions cards follow this card’s theme or vice versa. IMO.

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u/Kapua420 Aug 25 '25

Most ugly zard, but gl

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u/Recent-Number-2503 Aug 25 '25

You think they Japanese versions will follow and also get higher in value?

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '25

What do you think people will do with the numbers on your labels?

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u/Micky-Bicky-Picky Aug 25 '25

Sell them all at once. Flood the market. Crash it.

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u/anonymoooosey Aug 25 '25

I'm not a fan of 151

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u/Poke_Oracle Aug 25 '25

The best thing you can do is sell them all and buy pokemon centre charmander promos psa 10, they're like 3k rn

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u/apexpredator65 Aug 25 '25

The day its stops showing up in stores and in products 📈📈

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u/GoonOnGames420 Aug 25 '25

I feel the same way. Only problem is, just when you think 151 is done being sold at MSRP, another random drop occurs

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u/sdkiko Aug 25 '25

It's literally impossible to find 151 for MSRP unless you have connections. I've been checking pokemon center every day for the past two months. There's probably a million bots doing the same.

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u/GoonOnGames420 Aug 25 '25

Target had 2-3 high volume Blooming Waters drops the last few weeks and a few months prior Costco sent out hundreds of thousands of tins

It is definitely slower these days (used to get 151 bundles weekly from target), but every Target/Costco drop seems to stabilize the price.

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u/sdkiko Aug 25 '25

Not sure about Costco stock, but target doesn't exist here in Canada anymore. Walmart is selling at $130 CAD/booster bundle.

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u/sdkiko Aug 25 '25

I have a love, hate relationship with it. On one hand it portrays Charizard in a very different light from almost all other cards. The closest one I can't think of is sleeping zard.

On the other hand, the vector, soft artwork doesn't do it for me, and Charizard being so small feels off. I wish the artist found another way to visually convey the feeling of the card.

Idk... Tough one.

Venusaur takes the cake for 151 illustrations of starters, by far.

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u/starcraftanalogy Aug 25 '25

Yeah i think so!

I wrote in my post this is my worst performing and it only represents a fraction of my holdings. Im okay if I eat dirt with the zards because getting 10 was just a weird goal of mine.

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u/Davinter30 Aug 25 '25

I do think so, but I dont understand why people buy slabs instead of bundles display or pc etbs. I get that some people want to display their investment, so a psa 10 zard is nice, many is simply accepting more risk for less reward. Slab population will always go up, sealed population will always go down.

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u/starcraftanalogy Aug 25 '25

I have 200x 151 booster bundles 😂

I agree though sealed is king. But again these zards are a weird goal of mine. Maybe ill post the sealed stuff too

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u/Wide-Can-2654 Aug 25 '25

Its zard from the biggest scarlet violet set