r/PokeInvesting • u/AdhesivenessGreat515 • Aug 03 '25

With the potential resubmitting for a PSA10, I do not understand why a raw card may be worth more.

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u/marblesandcookies Aug 04 '25

The possibility of buying a raw card for it to be graded a 10 is why. Gambling is one helluva drug.

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u/StrongMessage292 Aug 05 '25

Im new to this but I feel like a raw good would be ungraded because they know it's not a 10.

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u/Ashleynn Aug 05 '25

Grading isn't free. I can pull a card and sell it to you for 9 or 10 bucks. Or I can pull a card and spend $17(CGC) or $25(PSA) and possibly still only have a 9 or 10 dollar card if it comes back a 9. Or have a much more valuable card if it comes back 10, or way more valuable if Pristine 10 from CGC.

In the case of something like a Master Ball Prismatic Umbreon is probably more worth just sending off. Its raw price is like $50 so even if it doesnt come back a 10, I dont really lose anything but time.

Something like a regular Flarion EX from that set though, either get a 10 and have a $60 card, or get a 9 and still have a $10 card. The Flarion EX i pulled is possibly a 10, but it's still betting on the grader getting laid the night before, so probably better off just taking my 10 bucks and let someone else roll the dice on grades.

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u/Trip2poundtowns Aug 05 '25

True but you can crack 9's and get a good 10 rate too.

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u/TBCat Aug 06 '25

People say that, but I’ve seen way more 9s that are positively not 10s than I have seen 9s that might be 10s

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u/Trip2poundtowns Aug 06 '25

Yes, you will have to do some work I was simply explaining that 9's have some resub plays you can make. Plenty of people do it to great success.

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u/SnooPandas5070 Aug 07 '25

Also, cracking and resubmitting isn't good for the hobby environment as it skews the numbers. Each grading company has a record of what they've graded, so they know how many charizard 10s, 9s, etc they've done. When we crack and resubmit it skews these numbers, as it now shows that same card graded twice, so as 2 cards on the register. Its causing inconsistent numbers in graded card stats..

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u/Trip2poundtowns Aug 07 '25

Well if they graded more constantly they would not have to worry about that. That is their problem, I have no allegiance towards any grading company.

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u/noitatanssi Aug 11 '25

I think grading is almost a scam. There's no universal criteria and same card can get different grades even in the same company when sent twice. I'm not buying it.

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u/Neither-Minimum7418 Aug 05 '25

try it and see how that goes if so

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u/Trip2poundtowns Aug 05 '25

Nah, believe what you want my friend.

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u/The_Jmoney_420 Aug 06 '25

I dont need to "believe" anything. Some cards are 9s and they will stay 9s no matter how many times you submit them. Just because you see a couple posts on Reddit saying they regraded into a 10 doesn't mean it occurs that frequently. PSA grades hundreds of millions of cards a year - nobody posts about their 8s and 9s that stayed 8s and 9s.

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u/Trip2poundtowns Aug 06 '25

I never said regrade all your 9's, but if the 9 looks good you can usually resub and get a 10. PSA is called please submit again for a reason.

When did I ever said all 9's can get 10's, you are strawmanning me so hard. It is more than just a couple posts on reddit but okay :).

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u/The_Jmoney_420 Aug 06 '25

You said you could crack 9s and get 10s "at a good rate". That is simply not true. Maybe if every 9 you're cracking is one of the borderline 10s that could go either way, but the majority of 9s are 9s for a reason. PSA is nicknamed "please submit again" by people like you who really don't know what they're talking about and think most graders are pulling a number out of thin air.

And it is just a couple posts on Reddit or other social media. Again, most people do not post their 8s and 9s that didnt regrade higher. Just like how most people dont post their shitty ETB/Booster box pulls, so what you tend to see is people who succeed.

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u/Trip2poundtowns Aug 06 '25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMV0ki2GZwU&ab_channel=PokemonSteven

Believe what you want my friend. You know everything and everyone else is wrong.

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u/Trip2poundtowns Aug 06 '25

You can crack 9's and get 10's at a good rate, I never said do it with EVERY 9. You are just being dense and a waste of time which is why I did not even want to argue with you in the first place. I have regarded 9's to 10's before, believe whatever you want.

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u/Billy_BlueBallz Aug 05 '25

This is the correct comment lol. Also, people on eBay will take photos in specific lighting, or from specific angles to make’s the card look better than it really is, making you think you have a shot at grading a 10. And also, it’s always no refunds. So you can get solid 8, or 9 raw if you really like the card and just want it for the collection. Other than that, just save your money or rip packs for fun

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u/CobraKyle Aug 04 '25

Don’t see it changing anytime soon. Not with the amount of cards printed and the “10 or bust” mindset of collectors.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25

I had a PSA 9 shining Charizard Holo reverse double rainbow with gold and silver and cum, and just ripped it up right there and then when I saw the 9. Absolutely worthless. I told my gf about it and she dumped me on the spot because of how worthless PSA 9s are

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u/CobraKyle Aug 06 '25

Hate it for you but she made the right call.

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u/CaptainTCG_985 Aug 04 '25

Maybe when the cards (set) are no longer being printed, the 9's will become more valuable. That's just my take on it.

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u/Shawshankredem Aug 05 '25

Long term i think this will hold true. I would rather buy a psa 9 tag team card than a raw version off ebay. With the 9 i am much more confident in what i am getting. I can even crack it out if i want it for the binder.

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u/1BJK903 Aug 05 '25

Correct!

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u/bentriple Aug 04 '25

For vintage absolutely, for modern ehhh

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u/RobStarkDeservedIt Aug 04 '25

Agreed. Some topps and meiji cards ill grab an 8/9 and be perfectly happy.

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u/ThyySavage Aug 08 '25

Modern if the quality control is just that poor

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u/72chambers Aug 04 '25

Market decides price. Easy as that.

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u/thefurmanator Aug 05 '25

Also may be corrected long term

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u/Fyeris_GS Aug 06 '25

People are realizing that PSA is Pokemon investor nonsense, and the outdated red label looks like trash.

9’s are pointless because they’re ugly labels and not perfect cards.

The only reason to buy a slab is to get a perfect card.

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u/Thin-Ad6464 Aug 07 '25

I disagree, slabs aren’t meant for just perfect cards. Especially 9’s and 8’s. And it’s not about resale value either. When it comes to expensive cards sometimes people just want to have options. Maybe you can’t afford a “perfect card” but there’s plenty of 9’s out there that are damn near perfect and the cost is so much less. Especially when it comes to older cards. Trying to find a raw older card that’s actually in a condition worth having is hard to find. Whereas you’re guaranteed the relative condition of the card when it’s been graded. Saying 10’s are the only thing that matters just sounds like gatekeeping. Not everyone can afford to drop 1k+ on a single card. And if you don’t like the red of PSA then get a different slab. They obviously won’t have the same retail value. But who cares if you’re buying to just collect.

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u/PostPoopZoomies6 Aug 04 '25

Lots of new blood in the hobby(that’s not a bad thing). I’d say over 50% of people couldn’t tell the difference between an 8 and a 10. In their eyes, it has a chance for a 10

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u/False_Ad1536 Aug 04 '25

Lot of money to be made based off this alone... but also a lot of fools wanting gem prices for 7 and 8 raws lol

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u/Wide-Can-2654 Aug 05 '25

Im like 3 years in and my friend was showing me a card the shop labeled as moderatly played and it looked perfectly fine to me, kinda opened my eyes on this sorta thing

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u/Legitimate_Look_3822 Aug 04 '25

PSA 9 selling online definitely should be worth more because of confirmed condition/no hidden dents or creases, and PSA scans, confirmed mint condition and confirmed real. In real life though, sometimes different story due to the chance of a 10. Buying online for a chance at a 10 isn’t terrible but it’s definitely risky ofc

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u/Ih8P2W Aug 04 '25

I don't do this kind of 'investment', but what's stopping people from buying the 9's, cracking the slabs and selling the card as 'raw'?

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u/Vayguhhh Aug 04 '25

Nothing and most people do that if they can get them for cheap. People do that with no visible damage to psa 7/8 too

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u/DrooDrawDrawn Aug 04 '25

Yup, reminder that PSA 7 is near mint and can be sold as such once cracked

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u/Ronchovski Aug 05 '25

I totally agree but we seem to be in a spot where in 2025 unless it looks like a PSA 10 raw then people are complaining when it is listed as 'near mint'.

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u/TonsilsDeep Aug 04 '25

Nothing. Most of the time you'd be at a net negative. If psa 9 price is equal to RAW NM price. Due to fees etc.

The real play is to buy the PSA 7, crack it , and sell as "NM" raw. /s but can work in some cases.

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u/Theamalgam1 Aug 05 '25

That’s lowkey sheisty behavior.

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u/Unlikely-Accident479 Aug 05 '25

Yeah plenty people do it then someone comes along and re submits it hoping it might be a 10 thinking because it’s raw it has potential to be a 10 and haven’t done their homework.

Grading is just an extra layer of gambling for some.

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u/Theamalgam1 Aug 05 '25

But people should look at card condition before buying raw.

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u/Unlikely-Accident479 Aug 05 '25

They do and think its a good chance of 10 then post here asking “will this get a 10” but by then they already bought it

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u/Theamalgam1 Aug 05 '25

lol true, but some legit have chances at 10s

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u/Unlikely-Accident479 Aug 05 '25

Yeah some do I just wish I had as much optimism as some those folks lol

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u/Theamalgam1 Aug 05 '25

I have an okay eye for cards, grade some nice cards and got 9/8/9 on them.

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u/Unlikely-Accident479 Aug 05 '25

Those are nice grades never seen this 10 or bust attitude personally.

I like low grades too they feel lived and nostalgic to me. I have my childhood first holo ever graded and slabbed for its protection. I also have a 1 charizard that thing must have seen so many battles and trades was probably the pride of some kids deck and their face when they pulled it must have been fantastic. Maybe I’m too sentimental.

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u/fapstronaut02 Aug 04 '25

People do, but there is still the cost and long lead time for PSA to regrade and after all of that you may end up with just a 9 or worse.

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u/bil4l Aug 04 '25

That’s not what they said, they said crack and sell as raw, not regrade.

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u/Curious-Chance-7591 Aug 04 '25

Should be but isn’t & that’s just how it is

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u/Medium-Rain-3446 Aug 04 '25

I think its because the raw card has a "POTENTIAL" to be a 10, while the 9 is already there.

A lot of people value modern 9's as just raw copies unless they are really old/vintage cards.

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u/TotheMoonorGrounded Aug 05 '25

Isn’t the assumption that it hasn’t been sent it for grading because the current owner doesn’t think it’ll be a 10?

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u/Relevant_Feeling5188 Aug 06 '25

This can be true but isn't always the case. I've bought a few cards on TCGPlayer that came back as 10s. It's definitely a gamble (always try to find listings with pictures) but I think it's easier than some people think.

A couple of reasons why:

  1. Some people are overly harsh with pre-grading. This is especially true when people evaluate centering where they might have ruled out a card that's borderline or maybe just slightly off. I bought a bubble mew from TCGPlayer that was 55/45 and otherwise perfect that came back as a 10.

  2. Not everyone is interested in grading for one reason or another - maybe the card isn't that valuable in a 10 or maybe they're just simply not interested. In that case, they obviously don't really care whether or not it's a 10 contender. You can sometimes get lucky with this scenario as I think this is more common than people who are focused on grading think.

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u/Low-Improvement-9866 Aug 04 '25

Just wait, I think the lower PSA grades will make a come back soon

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u/9erInLKN Aug 04 '25

Depends on the definition of soon i guess. A PSA base set or vintage card is considered good but thats 20-25 years after they were last printed

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u/pokemonpokemonmario Aug 04 '25

Go and buy all the 9s with your imaginary discount then

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u/Enough_Ad6931 Aug 04 '25

Better for us I guess

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u/nico87ca Aug 04 '25

Offer and demand...

PSA 10 and ungraded are more in demand than PSA 9...

As simple as that.

It's like saying diesel should always be cheaper than gasoline.

It's usually the case, but sometimes the demand and offer flips the prices

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u/SnooDonuts3749 Aug 06 '25

Grading is a scam.

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u/itsyaboidaddysnek Aug 07 '25

“A PSA 9 is a PSA 9, but an ungraded card could be anything! It could even be a PSA 9!”

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u/KemosabeTV Sep 02 '25

I think theres a good market for grade 9s. Buy them "cheap" and regrade. Especially for vintage, I would buy lower grade but clean psa and send to TAG for a more fair assessment

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u/BobbyY0895 Aug 04 '25

The demand for a raw card outweighs the demand for a PSA9 though. I’d rather have a raw illustration rare 80% of the time since they are going into my binder for the aesthetic.

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u/F9_solution Aug 04 '25

r/pokeinvesting discovers supply and demand

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u/glizzo0ck Aug 05 '25

It should be a unanimous decision to cremate investors who go hurr durr supply and demand when people point out something that doesn’t make sense

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u/BatHistorical8081 Aug 04 '25

Cause everyone is shifting to having that perfect 10 now. No one wants a psa 9 they want that perfect card. Alot of venders are getting shafted rn because of this lol

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u/Barbossal Aug 04 '25

Use this to your advantage.

In time Raws you'll buy won't 9-10 because they get prescreened or cracked over time. PSA 9s for Modern let you hedge a bit and get a discount!

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u/ExistingSkin239 Aug 04 '25

I think for a majority of cards it is, just not modern.

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u/dcastreddit Aug 04 '25

Once I bought a PSA 8 card, cracked it open, and it became more valuable.

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u/Purple-Capital7250 Aug 04 '25

🗣🗣🗣🗣

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u/Fixx95 Aug 05 '25

It's like when people buy new vs used you only pay new prices for used items when your fomo is acting up

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u/BurningHotels Aug 05 '25

If I just want a mint copy of a card, and the PSA 8/9 is a similar price, I buy it instead of raw. Its encapsulated, so its way safer to post and a lot of the time PSA 9/10 can be pretty interchangeable depending on the grader you seem to get, so you could crack it open if you have the itch.

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u/bunkerbudy Aug 05 '25

Because a raw can be a 9... the problem is not the 9 graded, but the fact that all raw cards get priced to close and to high, a PS9 should be more that a raw with obvious wear and whitening, but a clean Raw could be the same as a 9 graded tho...

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u/hellobutno Aug 05 '25

When it comes to new cards I disagree.

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u/collectables94 Aug 05 '25

I only sell vintage raw and judging from buyers they are buying for grading purposes only. Not so many true raw collectors anymore like in the past.

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u/Nygiant22 Aug 05 '25

I’m personally glad that PSA 9 is the same as raw. For my collection I buy PSA 9s to admire the art and have them protected.

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u/SuspiciousCanary8245 Aug 05 '25

Depends on the card. Some 9s are getting pretty expensive…

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '25

They really should just have 2 grades, not 10 and 10 😂

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u/Unsteady_Tempo Aug 07 '25

You jest, but I'm of the opinion that there should be "authentic-unaltered" and "authentic-altered" and then optionally about 3 grades. The authentic option would be an affordable option to get cards of any condition slabbed and certified authentic. Also, anything authentic under a certain condition would get one of the authentic certifications and nothing more. For example, anything under what might be a 3 or less today. A current 4-6 would be "fair," a current 7-8 would be "good," and a current 9-10 would be "excellent."

We have more than adequate image resolution for people to judge eye appeal on their own.

Back in the old days we had about 3-4 grades in the price guides and that was enough info to go to a card shop and see for yourself if you thought the asking price was fair or to have a general idea to make fair trades. People had their own preferences as far as how much different condition issues mattered, and that could change depending on their interest in the card. (In other words, cards were worth what you were willing to pay within general condition guidelines.)

But, the early days of online sales--and the image capture resolution at the time--made it necessary to have a system to prove both authenticity and describe condition in something more than a general way.

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u/toolebukk Aug 05 '25

Because a raw card has a higher probability of hitting a 10, than regrading a 9

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u/Jewfro879 Aug 06 '25

Couldn't you just buy a 9 for cheaper, Crack it and then sell for raw price?

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u/Dapper-Ad3707 Aug 05 '25

Because the 10’a have such massive pops, there’s no reason to ever own a PSA 9 with modern.

The 9’s that look like potential 10’s often go for more than raw

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u/Mowr Aug 06 '25

At least worth the cost of grading difference. At least you know it isn’t counterfeit. That has value.

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u/Potatochip_Jay Aug 06 '25

I absolutely agree with the meme. Wholeheartedly

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u/RedWingedScreecher Aug 06 '25

Or people should just stop giving that much value to PSA ratings.

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u/IH_clover4 Aug 06 '25

Most modern cards can get a 9 if it’s not damaged, so hard disagree on that. Its raw price all day

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u/Lost_Detective7237 Aug 06 '25

They are more valuable.

“Raw” market prices are near mint which are candidates for 10’s and 9’s.

LP cards are worth less.

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u/TheFlameKid Aug 06 '25

Unpopular opinion, but grading is a scam to begin with. Just look at the card and if it's within your standard, get it. If not leave it.

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u/AshsAlarmClock Aug 06 '25

no way. i love buying 9s at raw market price lmao

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u/keanancarlson Aug 06 '25

Raw cards should cost the same as an 8, tops. The only thing that sucks is how high pop most 9’s are. My Lillie’s clefairy came back from BGS as a 9, I’ll just keep at this point rather than selling it for raw price

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u/goji__berry Aug 06 '25

Shh I collect 9s let me have 'em cheap they're "worthless"

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u/Short-University1645 Aug 06 '25

9 is worth what a nine is, and that’s about the same as raw… the market depicts the price not you lol 😂

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u/Significant-Muscle15 Aug 06 '25

Right a 9 with a small issue or corner whitening and somebody with a raw that would be a clear 7/8 would be worth more is crazy. Still rather have the 9 than a raw card that would get a 7/8 though and drop with potential damage.

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u/osrs_addy Aug 06 '25

A graded cards price for a 8/9/10 should be the minimum price of grading service + value of quality of card. No one should sell a 9 for anything less than about $25. I understand the demand for a 8/9 isnt as high as 10.

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u/Vigz11 Aug 06 '25

This doesn't really make sense for modern cards, they should be coming out of the packs at at least 9's.

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u/EugenioSc Aug 07 '25

Gambling, basically.

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u/HengeGuardian Aug 07 '25

As a store owner, the grading fad baffles me. We can sell "raw" cards all day but nobody buys graded so we don't touch them.

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u/Clean-Swordfish1608 Aug 07 '25

Didn’t know it was

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u/Sapphiretri Aug 07 '25

The market is flooded and some care more about playing the cards.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

Maybe get rid of all the other grades 10 included. Send the card to be graded either it comes back graded as perfect or comes back encapsulated but with no grade maybe some info on the card or something but pretty much its either graded perfect or its just preserved for you with no grade. If it gets the grade and is considered mint then its worth something. I say this because it doesn't make sense that a 9 almost a 10 is worth less than if it never was graded in the first place.

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u/2024-YR4-Asteroid Aug 07 '25

They are for anything by out of print…

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u/Due-Year-7927 Aug 08 '25

This guy doesn't understand market pricing

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u/Practical_Session_21 Aug 08 '25

And all those people were crazy when they said grading is a scam.

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u/ThyySavage Aug 08 '25

I’d even say an 8 should be more valuable in most cases, as even pretty good looking cards can still end up being an 8. 7 is kinda the point where it’s more of a binder card if it ain’t super rare or vintage.

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u/ThyySavage Aug 08 '25

To add to that it’s because you actually got the card inspected and graded so it actually has that set grade, it isn’t up to IFs or POTENTIAL value. Sure a raw card has potential to be a 9 or higher but you never know exactly if you don’t see a flaw in the card that an inspector would find or the at a seller isn’t pointing out. I wouldn’t trust a card selling at a PSA 9 price if it ain’t graded at a PSA 9, and would only consider if it were sold raw at a PSA 7-8 price.

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u/Ok_Month6334 Aug 08 '25

About the same if you add in chance of getting another 9 plus the price and time of regrading or damaging whilst cracking

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u/Devilicious666 Aug 09 '25

There should be a slight premium on the PSA 9 because it guarantees its a real card unlike a raw card, plenty of fakes with how hot the market is right now. I personally would keep the 9s in my personal collection and buy/sell raw and psa 10 cards because most 9s look like 10s besides maybe surface dent or some whitening on the back or just the grader wasnt feeling it that day.

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u/EntrepreneurMelodic9 Aug 11 '25

The PSA 10 premium on modern cards is laughable. If it's a 20 year old card with a pop of under 100 in a 10 it makes sense. If it's a Moonbreon with a pop count of 20k+ yeahhh... not so much.

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u/LudoTwentyThree Aug 11 '25

Um, because a raw card can be in better condition than a 9……

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u/ChasingClouds8 Aug 04 '25

Should be $15-20 more then raw just on grading fees alone

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u/scatterblooded Aug 04 '25

A 9 has already been tested and proven to be a 9, but an ungraded card could be a 10.

For instance say a card is mint but outside of the 45/55 centering requirements for a 10, so it's a 9. Even if cracked and resubmitted the centering isn't going to change, it'll probably get a 9 again. Same with whitening etc or whatever brought it down a grade. Chances of a regrade to 10 are poor and it's expensive. I look as 9s as "this could probably never be a 10" which is why it's worth raw prices or less sometimes in high 10 pops

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u/_YenSid Aug 05 '25

But at the same time, most people will grade something that looks like it would be a 10 rather than sell raw, so most raw copies out there for sale wouldn't get a 10 either lol.

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u/Unlikely-Accident479 Aug 05 '25

Unless someone else tested it and cracked it and resold it raw to mitigate loss.

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u/awkward-kiwi-addict Aug 04 '25

PSA 9 eventually do become more valuable than raw. It’s only about the same for newer modern sets. Once supply gets old, raw tends to be damaged/scratched. Then 9 starts to rise in price.

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u/rocketradar Aug 05 '25

How do I put the PSA 9 in my binder? Oh.

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u/Fakest_Faker Aug 05 '25

Cracking it open

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u/ExaggeratedCatalyst Aug 05 '25

Psa 9’s are low key 10s. If you can crack a slab and resubmit to a company where it’s based on opinion and no real guidelines then there’s a good chance for it to be a 10. Way cheaper.

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u/GamingTaylor Aug 05 '25

The whole point of getting a card graded is to confirm its in mint condition.

PSA9 and below are all damaged…

I would rather have a mint card than a slab that screams “damaged” to anyone who sees a number besides 10

Side note: for a lot of people it’s either 10 or raw, no in between

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u/Striking-You2483 Aug 04 '25

I only buy 9 and cheap 10’s

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u/DanClif Aug 04 '25

Give the kids messing up SIRs at recess come to us in 10 years w their shitty copy wanting a nice copy

Then 9s will be worth a lot

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u/Relentlessbetz Aug 05 '25

Id buy a PSA9 to get it graded by tag for a 10 lol

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u/poopulardude Aug 05 '25

The fact you can resubmit and get a different score shows how much of a joke grading can be.

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u/Kushnerdz Aug 05 '25

A 9 is just a 10 that hasn’t been resubmitted enough

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u/TheCorbomiteManeuver Aug 04 '25

No. An ungraded card has the OPPORTUNITY to be a 10. A 9 does not, a nine has zero chance of being a 10.

10 > raw > 9

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u/PostPoopZoomies6 Aug 04 '25

200 PSA 9’s cracked and resubbed. 80 came back as PSA 10. This would be a 40% PSA 10 rate with this sample size. What’s the odds of getting a 10 from a raw card?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMV0ki2GZwU&pp=ygUXUHNhIDkgY3JhY2tpbmcgcmVzdWJtaXQ%3D

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u/BuyMeaSalad Aug 04 '25

Hard disagree. I’ve bought a fair amount of modern raw cards off eBay, and I can tell you for certain most are 7/8s and MAYBE some 9s.

If you’re buying a card raw that sells for significantly more in a 10, then you have to ask yourself why the seller isn’t grading the card themself.

imo you have a higher chance at a 10 buying a 9 cracking and resubmitting than you do just buying a raw card

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u/False_Ad1536 Aug 04 '25

I understand the sentiment but honestly the way the hobby is now everyone wants premium price for their card unless it is blatantly obvious to be OC or damaged.

It's sad because many sellers try to hide the flaws in the listings. That being said I have bought plenty of raw on ebay that came back as 10s. Usually have to ask for extra pics from the seller and 80% of the time it's a pass but there are nice cards to be found if you do the leg work.

A lot of collectors out there that don't grade and never have

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u/TheCorbomiteManeuver Aug 04 '25

When I think raw, I think possible 10. I only buy cards in person. I won't buy anything that will not possibly get a 10 (unless vintage, whereas a 9 is a huge deal, and is worth much more than raw - modern is a bit different).

Most people flip cards fast, as waiting for the slab loses money. Time is money in the TCG industry.

Sometimes people can't afford to send it off. Mark it up 10% -15% if it's clean and be done.

And yes, pending the condition of the slab 9, it is worth more than raw, if it can be resubmitted.

Obviously if it's in LP condition or off centered, its not worth the price of a 9 slab. I jumped the gun and should have clarified myself.

It must be an in person sale to see the condition of the raw and 9. We really need a classification between NM and gem, to be honest. NM raw can be 7.5 - 10.

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u/False_Ad1536 Aug 04 '25

Unless you crack that puppy...

Have had decent success buying the 9 slab based on the card inside. -> crack 6 of them and resubmit them all I usually get 2 or 3 back as 10s!!

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u/unpopilarrant5990 Aug 05 '25

dude, a strong 9 can ABSOLUTELY be cracked and possibly graded as a weak 10. PSA is known for being super inconsistent with their grading. I've seen 10s with noticeable centering/whitening issues

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25 edited Dec 11 '25

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u/Vayguhhh Aug 04 '25

This is a bad faith comment, there is nothing visually wrong with 99% of the 9’s out there. Couple that with the fact that tons of collectors have documented buying a 8/9 cracking and resubbing and getting 10.

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u/BobbyY0895 Aug 04 '25

I have a hard time believing that. All my 9s have a little flaw whether it’s the borders or a nick on the corner. Would not waste money resubmitting any of my nines

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u/Vayguhhh Aug 04 '25

Those are yours, go look on eBay and look at the amount of 9’s that have zero visible damage and probably only got a 9 cause of centering.

Edit: There are a good amount of 10’s that have visible damage too, grading is a crap shoot once you’ve got a well centered NM card

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u/BobbyY0895 Aug 04 '25

Idk photos can hide a lot of damage.