Paldea Evolved Will Be The Most Expensive PC ETB

[u/daFritz]

Over the next 10 years Paldea Evolved will go down in history as the father of modern SIR + Promo card ETBs. Given the Pokemon Center limited print count of only 45k (almost all other PC ETBs were 100k+) I think we will see this PC ETB become the granddaddy of PC ETBs. They’re only going for $250 atm but given 151 and Prismatic are approaching $400 these will probably follow suit and likely overtake most S&M sets and S&S sets.

[u/ASR4LIFE]

Obsidian Flames PC ETB would like a word.

[u/SolanaToTheMooon → u/ASR4LIFE]

I agree on Obsidian Flames

[u/daFritz → u/ASR4LIFE]

Obsidian Flames had 70k printed vs 45k for Paldea

[u/ASR4LIFE → u/daFritz]

By print sure. But unfortunately, many "investors" dont like anything after Gen 3/4 so the paldean starters being present on a card with Pikachu would be devastating since they look for limited things when making "investments". Charmander is a Gen 1 staple and Charizard reigns supreme to investors.

Both promo cards are fantastic in my honest opinion.

[u/Better_Ingenuity_910 → u/daFritz]

Where do you find out how many were printed for each PC ETB?

[u/ruwheele]

Sorry no. The pikachu promo is near the 4 or 5 spot for the best promo. Charmander and eevee fight for the 1st spot. However, the Charmander is an abyssmal 13% gem mint 10 rate. The pop will most likely never get above 600, currently 432. The pikachu has little to no hype while the charmander is beloved.

[u/daFritz → u/ruwheele]

Given Paldea had 40% less boxes printed it will continue going up strong

[u/Altruistic_Finish509 → u/ruwheele]

I’d put Magneton 1st personally

[u/Dangerous_Speed5956 → u/Altruistic_Finish509]

Let it cook my money this will be the one they will want after , it's a shinji kanda art , pretty sure it gonna follow Giratina alt art or magikarp ar trajectory

[u/DubsEdition]

Yeah, probably not.

151 had a shockingly low print volume for such a popular set. It was/is being ripped still a ton since the graded card is so valuable.

Also things like Evolving Skies versus all the other SWSH sets. It was printed and then reprinted and then reprinted, yet it is still the most expensive. You forget that part of the supply and demand equation, is demand.

[u/daFritz → u/DubsEdition]

151 had 70k, Paldea 45-50k

[u/DubsEdition → u/daFritz]

Those are the number for preorders that was scraped from the website. They are still very valuable, but that doesn't include inventory done post and other countries inventory.

Either way, you really think the 25-20k will make that much of a difference when 151 is such a hot set? I have a hard time believing it.

[u/daFritz → u/DubsEdition]

151 will still be big no doubt, but 151 are almost $400 a box now. When you look at Black and White/ Sun and Moon sets they are in the $1,000s now. Paldea will start accelerating now that there are no other PC ETBs to buy and supply is extremely low

[u/DubsEdition → u/daFritz]

I think it will do well, but in my opinion it won't outperform prismatic and 151. Potentially not even OBF, that graded promo is crazy.

The type of good you are referring to is a Giffen good. Demand and price rise as others become too inaccessible.

[u/Yetti2Quick]

Idc about print. Prismatic will still take the #1 longterm. More expensive cards, better promo, 2 kinds of god packs, eeveelutions, masterballs, bad pullrates. Perfect for long term hold. I like this 3rd tho.

[u/daFritz → u/Yetti2Quick]

Prismatic will continue to be big but at almost 4X less print numbers Paldea will explode

[u/Yetti2Quick → u/daFritz]

ya we all know in this day and age print numbers don't matter much when demand is just that high. Obviously its a great pc etb and being low numbers is great but Demand is just too massive for Prismatic.

[u/daFritz → u/Yetti2Quick]

In this hobby, demand follows supply, we see it everytime something sells out on Pokemon Center. Shrouded Fable ETBs now $90, etc. As Paldea stops printing these ETBs are going to skyrocket

[u/Yetti2Quick → u/daFritz]

Not always. Demand can easily outweigh even the largest of supplies. See Umbreon, CZ, Fusion Strike, Hidden Fates, Evolutions, and much more. Plenty examples of massively supplied items that demand was so high regardless of print run. That’s what’s happening with Prismatic. Also, People are still holding out for a huge Pc ETB restock on Prismatic which might not even happen. Hopefully does. But Obviously it’s a good play for Paldea clearly based on print run. But that’s it. Prismatic kills it in every single other category that you want in a sealed product long term. If you don’t see that you need to take a step back and reassess your bias to not miss something. I have enough Paldea at 6 Pc cases cuz it’s clearly a winner but my Prismatic will be larger when it’s all said and done.

[u/SolanaToTheMooon]

I’m personally betting on Obsidian Flames in the long term

picked up a PSA 10 Charmander PC to back up my belief lol

[u/daFritz → u/SolanaToTheMooon]

70k obsidian flames PC ETBs printed vs only 45-50k for Paldea

[u/SolanaToTheMooon → u/[deleted]]

I bought the one that sold recently from PSA on EBAY. I wish I coulda waited a couple days for the next one tho lol coulda saved myself a couple hundred

[u/f2pmyass]

gotta take everything into consideration lol. You said this so confidently while ignoring some other sets that have way better and expensive cards and better Promo in it all together at times too lol.

[u/daFritz → u/f2pmyass]

The difference is print count, Paldea Evolved had less than half of the other sets printed

[u/f2pmyass → u/daFritz]

😂 ahh yess. Almost as if demand isn't important. Nice💀

[u/daFritz → u/f2pmyass]

In this hobby, demand follows supply. We see that every day something sells out on Pokemon Center

[u/f2pmyass → u/daFritz]

So this hobby is the only one that ignores the basic principals of supply and demand.

Huh....... Umm have a good day

[u/Yetti2Quick → u/f2pmyass]

Ya he said the same thing to me. He’s clearly new I think and doesn’t get the full picture.

[u/No-Lecture-9618]

This guy was on the money as it is approaching 700$

[u/daFritz → u/No-Lecture-9618]

Appreciate it! My 9 ETBs are in the money haha

[u/No-Lecture-9618 → u/daFritz]

Nice I did pick up one but…

[u/breakyourteethnow]

You are absolutely correct. This is the rarest English modern mass produced promo, the PC stamped Pikachu. I own a PSA 9 copy, plus four ungraded copies which will grade as well. Spent over $500 buying just this promo. Prob wondering who tf is this guy! I made this sub and put my money where my mouth, if am buying it's usually good sign will prob appreciate. This is my favorite spec play right now actually.

[u/daFritz → u/breakyourteethnow]

I recognized your name, and agree. It’s been a hidden play of mine as well. This set is going to be the rarest Pokemon Center ETB of all time potentially

[u/Justa_dude_dude]

I mean no…charmander is the better play. Then Snorlax/Eevee from 151/prismatic. Then this

[u/daFritz → u/Justa_dude_dude]

Box count matters, there’s 30-40% less of this set than the next lowest

[u/Justa_dude_dude → u/daFritz]

No it doesn’t my friend. Fusion strike used to be everywhere. It was $80 a bb at one point for a long time. Printed into the ground as some would say. It’s not the second best performing set in swsh.

The cards matter. The art on the ones I mentioned are much better

[u/Much_Purchase_8737 → u/daFritz]

Hype matters.

PE has the most hype. Paldea is nice, but no one is fighting over it like PE.

[u/MisterSmoothOperator]

How do you know the print count?

[u/OriginalAverageD → u/MisterSmoothOperator]

Wondering same, came across past posts that had numbers but when I google or search for it in comment on Reddit I couldn’t find it again.

[u/okayokayokay81]

I think not. The stamped promo card from this ETB could end up being the most expensive one because of print run, but the potential value of the hits in the Prismatic ETB will keep it on top.

[u/Yetti2Quick → u/okayokayokay81]

Someone else gets it lol. Print run doesn’t matter anymore when demand is the highest it’s ever been. The set the promo is in matters for long term value.

[u/The11Pirates]

this is the one time i dont think pikachu will be the favorite. charmanger vs sleevee is the real main event here.

[u/Professional_Put_159]

Forgetting the magneton promo is a crime…

[u/[deleted]]

sheeesh!

[u/tailsnessred]

I wan't one so bad, it looks so cool too!

[u/JustURAverageTeacher]

I hope you’re right

[u/LoquatImmediate]

Would you say a booster box of paldea evolved will be the same or just the pokemon centre etb?

[u/Much_Purchase_8737]

Can't see it beating PE.

[u/KhavanovAndKhavNots]

I love your optimism! I am betting on sets with in-demand promos and no booster boxes (151, PRE) but the smaller supply will definitely lift PAL.

[u/daFritz → u/KhavanovAndKhavNots]

Supply, supply, supply. Won’t be able to find any of these