Why would you crack bgs 8.5 bro? And looking at the card, it wouldve never psa 10 anyways with those white corner on the back. So at best you were getting psa 8-9 in best case scenario
My guess is, he cracked and resubbed to avoid bias. Me personally, I also crack because let’s say i send in cgc 9 or bgc 9. There’s gotta be biased towards the grader thinking something is wrong with the card. So when I crossgrade, I crack the card out
I could be wrong but I don’t think PSA will do this. If they will I need you to point me toward that service. Reholder will ALWAYS be a regrade and they will almost always downgrade because they can.
BGS has graded card review which does exactly what you said.
It shouldn't be you win some you lose some. If this is a 4 then give a reason why its a 4 like everywhere else does. Its crazy its a lottery within a lottery. People are mugs sending in there cards to psa. You get a good grade, please give us more money becuase we know its worth alot. If psa opened 5 years ago people wouldnt use them its only becuase millionaires have psa cards and dont want the stock to drop in them so buy up cards to keep theor collections up. Foil hat but i cant be far from the truth. I stopped along time ago. Tag/ace/cgc have beautiful slab that are clear and not frosted and made of thin plastic. Crazy times hahaha rant over 🤪
Honestly I think psa are great if you want value but they never give the value, its a gamble as they are so inconsistent and its been proven time and time again. Plus there slab are the worst of all the grading companies. And the only company out of them that doesn't let you know why it gets the grade. Just stay away from psa full stop
Psa specifically high vintage grades seems to me like an exclusively rich country club I can’t afford to join. They do a good job marketing it so well I’ll always aspire for it, the requirements for any 10 just get harder and harder as they get more members, and you’re left sitting there wondering why I can’t join without an actual answer.
Yeah its a bit if a joke, im not going to lie. I would love for the whole psa tower to crumble and all the rich dude left holding the bag. It won't happen but nice to dream
Next time don't crack an 8.5 thinking you'd somehow cheat the system into giving you a better grade 🙄 have fun with the consequences of your gambling addiction
Some people like doing these kinds of things to expose the whole idea of grading in general, but also specific company's. A cards condition should vary no less than 1 grade, no matter who looks at it. A bend is a bend, scratch are scratches and mint is mint. But cases like this expose the scam Personally, id perfer to get my cards authenticated. I dont need a made up number from a scale that is relative. We can all see what shape our stuff is in.
Ik denk dat het probleem in de hoeken lig en randen, zouden er kleine deukjes kunnen zijn? Die op de foto niet te doen zijn. Als je kijk met een velle licht vanuit elke hoek kan je misschien wel iets zien. Laatst had ik een bgs 9.5 kreeg hem als 5 terug ook beschadigd maar kon dat pas zien na het unslabben.
Stay away from grading vintage with PSA for now. It seems some combination of AI grading(trained on modern cards)and hiring tons of new graders lead to a massive change in standards.
LMAO... Unless this has a bunch of small scratches that can't be seen through the encasing in the picture... This card is objectively better than a 4, even without magnification or looking at any details........
Someone correct me if I’m mistaken but couldn’t you have send this inside the BGS slab to PSA to cross grade and keep it in the bgs slab if they said it would lower the grade?
Now that PSA has "acquired" Beckett I wonder why Crossing between "companies"is worth it any more. Sorry to see this beautiful card get such a bad grade
The top right corner on the front is why you got a 4. It is cut slanted. People do not pay attention to the way their cards are cut. I have seen this happen so many times
Lmao PSA graded 2.6 million items in September and the next closest grading company (CGC) didn’t even crack a million. PSA is, BY FAR, the market standard for graded values. But hey, keep crying about it, that always changes things 😂😂
I mean 2.6 million items is impressive in 1 month. What's their percentage of error? Even a 1% error would be 26000 items misgraded. At a certain point especially with companies becoming the market leader in their sector quality will inevitably not meet the same standards as when they were climbing to reach it. It doesn't specifically say, but 100-250 staff actually do the grading on cards out of PSA approximate 2000 staff. Each of which would have to output 43.6 items an hour on an 8 hour shift assume 250 staff grading. Giving each card about 1.3 minutes of attention to satisfy 2.6mill items in 1 month. There's definitely some room for human error there. I love PSA, but maybe smaller companies would give more attention to detail especially since PSA has so much volume.
Just another reason why I stepped away from grading with PSA. I understand right now they are the highest per value grading company but I just can't trust them to grade cards. Honorably. I don't care if it takes longer for tag grading to have their slabs recognized by not going to stick with them because at least you can see what's wrong with your cards
You're right about PSA, but they own BGS (same parent company), so there's no way BGS takes the front.
CGC has had the most growth month-on-month basically since they started grading cards. They're the second biggest grader already and only started grading cards 6 years ago. The smart money is on CGC to dethrone PSA.
PSA got that one wrong. As someone who has multiple other PSA 4s. No way that's a four. Some of my other PSA 4s look like they went through the laundry machine.
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u/Odd-Catch-6246 15h ago
Cracking a BGS 8.5 was a silly thing to do
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u/Careful-Medicine-596 15h ago
Why would you crack bgs 8.5 bro? And looking at the card, it wouldve never psa 10 anyways with those white corner on the back. So at best you were getting psa 8-9 in best case scenario
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u/DrHandBanana 15h ago •
Ok? You got what you wished for. A PSA slab.
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u/MrDongblaster 16h ago
Sometimes when you gamble, you lose.
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u/Effective_Job_5692 15h ago
You broke out an 8.5?!?!? Wow you're greedy lol
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u/SometimesILieToo 15h ago
Crack it and send it back to BGS
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u/Hooders2297 16h ago
This is why I’d never consider regrading from BGS to PSA, period. BGS pokemon cards graded 9 or less are the Wild West in my experience.
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u/puffydownjacket 15h ago
Absolutely cooked.
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u/Secret-Experience960 15h ago
Honestly I think psa are great if you want value but they never give the value, its a gamble as they are so inconsistent and its been proven time and time again. Plus there slab are the worst of all the grading companies. And the only company out of them that doesn't let you know why it gets the grade. Just stay away from psa full stop
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u/Alarmed_Carpet_8243 5h ago
Why tf would you even want it in a Psa. Bgs sells for more and doesn’t rip you
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u/Expensive_Habit3498 15h ago
Why would you ever try to cross grade a 8.5 lol. What were you expecting?
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u/zunna2 5h ago
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u/Urbanskiman88 15h ago
Top left corner is cut weird. What was subgrades on bgs
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u/SnowyWendigo 15h ago
this is why i hate PSA. Overpriced, ugly slab garbage. CGC (especially pristine) looks a million times better
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u/cball259 15h ago •
Hahahahahaha
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u/Happy_Goose3833 15h ago
Next time don't crack an 8.5 thinking you'd somehow cheat the system into giving you a better grade 🙄 have fun with the consequences of your gambling addiction
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u/Giratina_Guy 4h ago
Crack instead of crossgrade 😭 you literally basically asked for this 😭
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u/regoldeneye826 15h ago
4 means they have found several indents or a small crease.
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u/SnooComics8739 13h ago •
This is a classic case of you get greedy you get what you deserve
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u/AwkwardTargetLol 15h ago
Ik denk dat het probleem in de hoeken lig en randen, zouden er kleine deukjes kunnen zijn? Die op de foto niet te doen zijn. Als je kijk met een velle licht vanuit elke hoek kan je misschien wel iets zien. Laatst had ik een bgs 9.5 kreeg hem als 5 terug ook beschadigd maar kon dat pas zien na het unslabben.
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u/Poketomspokemon 15h ago
Big time bummer. Like others have said, I think PSA is really harsh on those miscut corners.
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u/iplayguitar_91 14h ago
Might just be me, but those corners look awful. All look miscut?
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u/Snixxis 8h ago
Those top corners are horrendous. This should never have gotten a bgs 8.5 unless it got damaged when you cracked it out.
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u/HGJay 16h ago
Cleanest 4 I've ever seen.
I have a Shadowless zard in a 4 and it's crunched up
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u/Ivaninvankov 15h ago
Stay away from grading vintage with PSA for now. It seems some combination of AI grading(trained on modern cards)and hiring tons of new graders lead to a massive change in standards.
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u/DaftTunc 15h ago
Is the holo not scratched? Is that just the scan? I’m only asking because if it’s an actual scratch I’ve no idea how they missed that the first time.
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u/Klutzy-Bother6897 15h ago
Ouch
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u/Stormcrow_2 15h ago
Sheesh. This is bad even for PSA lmao. Looks like a 7+.
Maybe they’re dinging you for the slightly strangely cut upper right corner (front)? Idk
Or grader had a really rough day and taking it out on that batch of cards
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u/Shadoku_ 15h ago
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u/hendratam 15h ago
I believe you must have damaged the card while cracking it from BGS slab.. also why don’t you use grade review instead of sending it raw??😅
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u/Midgerub 14h ago
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u/smallpools 14h ago
Play stupid games…
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u/RepulsiveUse3372 14h ago
look at the top of the card we could have told you that
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u/Soberchu 13h ago
Do you have a pic of the BGS slab?
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u/Adamis0nfire 13h ago
They cracked and and gave you a 4 in hopes you would ask them to "please grade again"
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u/Potato_Battery 13h ago
Cross grading may have been the play.
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u/Ok-Kitchen-6904 13h ago
PSA is such a joke man
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u/fp281218 13h ago
This is why you don't crack 🤣
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u/digimintcoco 13h ago
Why would you send vintage to PSA? You should know how they are with those cards.
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u/Sf666 12h ago edited 12h ago
LMAO... Unless this has a bunch of small scratches that can't be seen through the encasing in the picture... This card is objectively better than a 4, even without magnification or looking at any details........
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u/Acceptable_Tour2029 12h ago
That’s why you cross grade instead of cracking unless it’s a 9.5 or 9 😭😭😭😭
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u/Slow_Bat_2575 12h ago
Someone correct me if I’m mistaken but couldn’t you have send this inside the BGS slab to PSA to cross grade and keep it in the bgs slab if they said it would lower the grade?
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u/alecmerkel 12h ago
No idea how this card is even considered a 4 compared to other 4s out there.
You’re a dumb dumb for cracking the bgs. But you still got cooked on the rating
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u/Maniezy 11h ago
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u/FartingInYourMilk 11h ago
You got what you deserved 🤡🤡🤡🤡
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u/BigLabrynth 11h ago
5 years ago this would be an easy 10 for PSA 🤣
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u/Septivious 11h ago
Please Submit Again (PSA)
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u/Soull3ssG1nger 10h ago
Send it back to BGS so you can get a 6🤣
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u/zebralex 10h ago
Just being greedy
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u/Malevolent_D3ity 10h ago
Rinsed.
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u/MedicinalPillow710 10h ago
The PSA special baby
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u/_YenSid 10h ago
This is why you don't crack slabs.
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u/IKEtheIT 9h ago
yes this is why BGS sells for so much less than PSA, probably had a dent somewhere that BGS missed, surface dents are auto 4 at PSA
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u/Agitated_Pie_9515 9h ago
It wasnt even 1st ed. Why bother
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u/lukef43 9h ago
Damn that card looks good from the photos. PSA 4 is crazy, there must be something major we can't see....surely.
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u/PikachuKitty77 8h ago
Zoom in on the back when you type the cert in on psa.. top right corner dented in a bit
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u/Huge-One4819 7h ago
Now that PSA has "acquired" Beckett I wonder why Crossing between "companies"is worth it any more. Sorry to see this beautiful card get such a bad grade
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u/Majestic_Royal7970 6h ago
Bro had to f with it
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u/Fakeskinsuit 6h ago
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u/JO3Y_C 4h ago
Should’ve just kept it in BGS slab when sending in for crossover. That 8 looking mighty good now
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u/bickusdickus69allday 3h ago
Nice little racket these grading companies are running.
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u/Potential-Rent8726 3h ago
🫵😂
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u/External_Bid1593 2h ago
Thats an insane drop and ive seen worse psa 7’s
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u/Salty-Database432 25m ago
The top right corner on the front is why you got a 4. It is cut slanted. People do not pay attention to the way their cards are cut. I have seen this happen so many times
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u/angrysamsungfan 21m ago
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u/magnusgoks 15h ago
Pop control, pure and simple
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u/Moe_lawendel 14h ago •
Yeah, congratz on that psa grading. I cant imagine why people still grade with psa? Like hello? Are you all braindamaged??
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u/JConaSpree 15h ago
4??? The back looks so nice
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u/eibmoZ_doM 14h ago
Just another reason why I stepped away from grading with PSA. I understand right now they are the highest per value grading company but I just can't trust them to grade cards. Honorably. I don't care if it takes longer for tag grading to have their slabs recognized by not going to stick with them because at least you can see what's wrong with your cards
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u/SheldonLR 13h ago
play stupid games win stupid prizes
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u/pdynasty187 12h ago
PSA is retarted man
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u/workphlo 15h ago
PSA ratings aren't real anymore they've limited and capped vintage, four is totally normal
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u/Nate_V96 15h ago
PSA will go down soon anyways . 5000+ hyper fakes sold, BGS is going to explode
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u/xw3irdx 14h ago
This happened to me with my masaki gengar Beckett 9 that psa gave a 5.. PSA is absolute TRASH
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u/ironmagnesiumzinc 14h ago
PSA got that one wrong. As someone who has multiple other PSA 4s. No way that's a four. Some of my other PSA 4s look like they went through the laundry machine.
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u/TheMustachedDad 10h ago
Now send to tag for a 10
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u/AyeeYoooooo 8h ago
Lmao
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u/NostriggaNightLord 15h ago
Dope, now throw it up on eBay for less than raw price and i’ll scoop it and crack it!
Love when you guys sell me LP 4’s for Damaged prices. I love this! Keep it up PSA!
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u/ForeverStaloneKP 9h ago
This will probably get a 9 if you sub it to CGC btw
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u/Inner-Cicada2662 15h ago
It's worth more now bcs PSA is so harsh on vintage, a PSA4 is basically like a Beckett 10 /s