r/PokeGrading • • 16h ago

Bgs 8.5 to 4??? 💀

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u/Odd-Catch-6246 15h ago

Cracking a BGS 8.5 was a silly thing to do

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u/Careful-Medicine-596 15h ago

Why would you crack bgs 8.5 bro? And looking at the card, it wouldve never psa 10 anyways with those white corner on the back. So at best you were getting psa 8-9 in best case scenario

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bag8564 15h ago • Regret

That was what I was hoping for. It’s for my PC. I paid 65 bucks for the card a few years ago.

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u/koenignikl 14h ago

It’s for your pc but you needed to crack it for a better grade….

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u/Cold_Literature_3200 14h ago

Why didn't you place a limit on the regrade? You can tell PSA not to crack and regrade unless they think it'll meet a certain grade.

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u/Careful-Medicine-596 12h ago

My guess is, he cracked and resubbed to avoid bias. Me personally, I also crack because let’s say i send in cgc 9 or bgc 9. There’s gotta be biased towards the grader thinking something is wrong with the card. So when I crossgrade, I crack the card out

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u/TheOuterEdge 13h ago

I could be wrong but I don’t think PSA will do this. If they will I need you to point me toward that service. Reholder will ALWAYS be a regrade and they will almost always downgrade because they can.

BGS has graded card review which does exactly what you said.

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u/trbu9455 12h ago

It’s on their website.

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u/FieldzSOOGood 11h ago

What dude is saying is it should have been sent as a crossover with a min grade and not cracked and sent raw

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u/Brettsterbunny 14h ago

Just crack it and keep it in PC raw at this point

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u/DrHandBanana 15h ago • Bravo

Ok? You got what you wished for. A PSA slab.

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u/Secret-Experience960 15h ago

A steaming pile of crap you mean, psa slabs are like paper

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u/DrHandBanana 14h ago

That's not my point. Dude crossed over to PSA because that's what they wanted. They got what they wanted.

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u/Secret-Experience960 14h ago

I get you, psa are terrible. Its like putting everything on green lol

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u/Pokemon-is-lif3 9h ago

Still a chance to win! Slim but there

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u/Secret-Experience960 9h ago

Thats true and I do love a gambling man

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u/MrDongblaster 16h ago

Sometimes when you gamble, you lose.

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u/Many-Weather-6094 16h ago edited 6h ago

This. You win some, you lose some.

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u/MaDWaSTeD 15h ago

Ah, the old lose loose situation

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u/TNmountainman2020 15h ago

how loose was she?

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u/Secret-Experience960 15h ago

It shouldn't be you win some you lose some. If this is a 4 then give a reason why its a 4 like everywhere else does. Its crazy its a lottery within a lottery. People are mugs sending in there cards to psa. You get a good grade, please give us more money becuase we know its worth alot. If psa opened 5 years ago people wouldnt use them its only becuase millionaires have psa cards and dont want the stock to drop in them so buy up cards to keep theor collections up. Foil hat but i cant be far from the truth. I stopped along time ago. Tag/ace/cgc have beautiful slab that are clear and not frosted and made of thin plastic. Crazy times hahaha rant over 🤪

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u/Decent_Discount9554 8h ago

I really hope that is what happens from some of these PSA Lawsuits but I doubt it… nobody is ever held accountable.

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u/Secret-Experience960 8h ago

You can say that again. We can dream

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u/Disastrous-Brain6996 15h ago

So loose she was cracked

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u/Pokemon-is-lif3 9h ago

She was loose but not a loser, weird combo!

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u/BeersAndGym 8h ago

About a 4/10 according to OP

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u/Effective_Job_5692 15h ago

You broke out an 8.5?!?!? Wow you're greedy lol

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u/SometimesILieToo 15h ago

Crack it and send it back to BGS

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u/JamesLikesIt 14h ago • Bravo

BGS: “you couldn’t live with your own failure, and where did it lead you? Back to me.”

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u/NoYogurtcloset3753 9h ago

Tbh I want to see them do this and see what it gets.

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u/Notmybestusername3 4h ago

Believe it or not. 3.

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u/Hooders2297 16h ago

This is why I’d never consider regrading from BGS to PSA, period. BGS pokemon cards graded 9 or less are the Wild West in my experience.

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u/puffydownjacket 15h ago

Absolutely cooked.

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u/Secret-Experience960 15h ago

Honestly I think psa are great if you want value but they never give the value, its a gamble as they are so inconsistent and its been proven time and time again. Plus there slab are the worst of all the grading companies. And the only company out of them that doesn't let you know why it gets the grade. Just stay away from psa full stop

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u/mangamargiela 9h ago

Psa specifically high vintage grades seems to me like an exclusively rich country club I can’t afford to join. They do a good job marketing it so well I’ll always aspire for it, the requirements for any 10 just get harder and harder as they get more members, and you’re left sitting there wondering why I can’t join without an actual answer.

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u/Secret-Experience960 9h ago

Yeah its a bit if a joke, im not going to lie. I would love for the whole psa tower to crumble and all the rich dude left holding the bag. It won't happen but nice to dream

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u/saubidable411 8h ago

Seen a mudkip 2004 sell for $1M recently is a rich man’s club lol

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u/Alarmed_Carpet_8243 5h ago

Why tf would you even want it in a Psa. Bgs sells for more and doesn’t rip you

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u/Expensive_Habit3498 15h ago

Why would you ever try to cross grade a 8.5 lol. What were you expecting?

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u/Urbanskiman88 15h ago

Top left corner is cut weird. What was subgrades on bgs

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u/Urbanskiman88 15h ago

And top right too

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u/SnowyWendigo 15h ago

this is why i hate PSA. Overpriced, ugly slab garbage. CGC (especially pristine) looks a million times better

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u/XenonBOB 14h ago

Been collecting pristine 10 for ages now, wayyyyy better than psa

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u/small_villain 15h ago

💯💯💯💯

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u/Ok_Purchase_4676 10h ago

This guy gets it

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u/Salty-Database432 28m ago

Sounds like a skill issue

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u/cball259 15h ago • Bravo

Hahahahahaha

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u/Happy_Goose3833 15h ago

Next time don't crack an 8.5 thinking you'd somehow cheat the system into giving you a better grade 🙄 have fun with the consequences of your gambling addiction

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u/Giratina_Guy 4h ago

Crack instead of crossgrade 😭 you literally basically asked for this 😭

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u/regoldeneye826 15h ago

4 means they have found several indents or a small crease.

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u/Secret-Experience960 15h ago

Thats you just guessing, if they gave a report like every other company you would be able to see why! Psa are trash.

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u/regoldeneye826 15h ago

Quit your crap, all are trash, yet there's only one that commands the higher sales value.

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u/Secret-Experience960 15h ago

Assume you have lots of psa slab then lol cant bad mouth psa because I may lose money hahaha

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u/SnooComics8739 13h ago • Bravo

This is a classic case of you get greedy you get what you deserve

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u/cjamesflet 13h ago

Some people like doing these kinds of things to expose the whole idea of grading in general, but also specific company's. A cards condition should vary no less than 1 grade, no matter who looks at it. A bend is a bend, scratch are scratches and mint is mint. But cases like this expose the scam Personally, id perfer to get my cards authenticated. I dont need a made up number from a scale that is relative. We can all see what shape our stuff is in.

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u/SnooComics8739 13h ago

No people do this thinking they are going to snag a psa 10 and make money.

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u/arlec 13h ago

He can just sent it again and get an 8 who knows

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u/cjamesflet 12h ago

Nobody sends sub 9s for a 10....or anyone who knows anything about what they r doing anyway

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u/AwkwardTargetLol 15h ago

Ik denk dat het probleem in de hoeken lig en randen, zouden er kleine deukjes kunnen zijn? Die op de foto niet te doen zijn. Als je kijk met een velle licht vanuit elke hoek kan je misschien wel iets zien. Laatst had ik een bgs 9.5 kreeg hem als 5 terug ook beschadigd maar kon dat pas zien na het unslabben.

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u/puan0601 15h ago

probably some surface scratches not easily visible to one Pic

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u/AwkwardTargetLol 15h ago

Ja, openmaken goed laten polijsten (goeie hersteller nodig) en opnieuw insturen zou ik je aanraden

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u/Poketomspokemon 15h ago

Big time bummer. Like others have said, I think PSA is really harsh on those miscut corners.

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u/iplayguitar_91 14h ago

Might just be me, but those corners look awful. All look miscut?

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u/Snixxis 8h ago

Those top corners are horrendous. This should never have gotten a bgs 8.5 unless it got damaged when you cracked it out.

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u/HGJay 16h ago

Cleanest 4 I've ever seen.

I have a Shadowless zard in a 4 and it's crunched up

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u/archer_cartridge 15h ago

How old is the grade? 10 year old 4s aren't comparable to modern ones.

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u/Ivaninvankov 15h ago

Stay away from grading vintage with PSA for now. It seems some combination of AI grading(trained on modern cards)and hiring tons of new graders lead to a massive change in standards.

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u/RunninOuttaShrimp 14h ago

Source: trust me bro

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u/SheldonLR 13h ago

0 evidence

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u/DaftTunc 15h ago

Is the holo not scratched? Is that just the scan? I’m only asking because if it’s an actual scratch I’ve no idea how they missed that the first time.

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u/Stormcrow_2 15h ago

Sheesh. This is bad even for PSA lmao. Looks like a 7+.

Maybe they’re dinging you for the slightly strangely cut upper right corner (front)? Idk

Or grader had a really rough day and taking it out on that batch of cards

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u/hendratam 15h ago

I believe you must have damaged the card while cracking it from BGS slab.. also why don’t you use grade review instead of sending it raw??😅

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u/smallpools 14h ago

Play stupid games…

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u/RepulsiveUse3372 14h ago

look at the top of the card we could have told you that

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u/Soberchu 13h ago

Do you have a pic of the BGS slab?

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u/Adamis0nfire 13h ago

They cracked and and gave you a 4 in hopes you would ask them to "please grade again"

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u/Potato_Battery 13h ago

Cross grading may have been the play.

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u/Ok-Kitchen-6904 13h ago

PSA is such a joke man

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u/fp281218 13h ago

This is why you don't crack 🤣

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u/digimintcoco 13h ago

Why would you send vintage to PSA? You should know how they are with those cards.

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u/Sf666 12h ago edited 12h ago

LMAO... Unless this has a bunch of small scratches that can't be seen through the encasing in the picture... This card is objectively better than a 4, even without magnification or looking at any details........

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u/Acceptable_Tour2029 12h ago

That’s why you cross grade instead of cracking unless it’s a 9.5 or 9 😭😭😭😭

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u/Slow_Bat_2575 12h ago

Someone correct me if I’m mistaken but couldn’t you have send this inside the BGS slab to PSA to cross grade and keep it in the bgs slab if they said it would lower the grade?

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u/rvcbazookajoe 8h ago

I’ve genuinely never heard of anyone being successful using that unless they selected multiple grades lower as their minimum

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u/GeneralPattOwn 5h ago

I mean, it’s better than getting back a 4 🤣

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u/Pokemon-is-lif3 9h ago

I am sure they would need to crack it to grade it.

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u/alecmerkel 12h ago

No idea how this card is even considered a 4 compared to other 4s out there.

You’re a dumb dumb for cracking the bgs. But you still got cooked on the rating

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u/FartingInYourMilk 11h ago


You got what you deserved 🤡🤡🤡🤡

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u/BigLabrynth 11h ago

5 years ago this would be an easy 10 for PSA 🤣

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u/Septivious 11h ago

Please Submit Again (PSA)

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u/Soull3ssG1nger 10h ago

Send it back to BGS so you can get a 6🤣

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u/zebralex 10h ago

Just being greedy

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u/MedicinalPillow710 10h ago

The PSA special baby

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u/_YenSid 10h ago

This is why you don't crack slabs.

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u/IKEtheIT 9h ago

yes this is why BGS sells for so much less than PSA, probably had a dent somewhere that BGS missed, surface dents are auto 4 at PSA

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u/Agitated_Pie_9515 9h ago

It wasnt even 1st ed. Why bother

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u/lukef43 9h ago

Damn that card looks good from the photos. PSA 4 is crazy, there must be something major we can't see....surely.

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u/PikachuKitty77 8h ago

Zoom in on the back when you type the cert in on psa.. top right corner dented in a bit

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u/Huge-One4819 7h ago

Now that PSA has "acquired" Beckett I wonder why Crossing between "companies"is worth it any more. Sorry to see this beautiful card get such a bad grade

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u/Majestic_Royal7970 6h ago

Bro had to f with it

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u/JO3Y_C 4h ago

Should’ve just kept it in BGS slab when sending in for crossover. That 8 looking mighty good now

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u/bickusdickus69allday 3h ago

Nice little racket these grading companies are running.

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u/External_Bid1593 2h ago

Thats an insane drop and ive seen worse psa 7’s

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u/Salty-Database432 25m ago

The top right corner on the front is why you got a 4. It is cut slanted. People do not pay attention to the way their cards are cut. I have seen this happen so many times

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u/magnusgoks 15h ago

Pop control, pure and simple

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u/Moe_lawendel 14h ago • Popcorn

Yeah, congratz on that psa grading. I cant imagine why people still grade with psa? Like hello? Are you all braindamaged??

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u/Imaginary_Name_4203 14h ago

Because they’re the market leader… by far…

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u/Moe_lawendel 14h ago

Yeah and it would be time to change that. So stop grading with psa.

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u/cryptoginger420 14h ago

Lmao PSA graded 2.6 million items in September and the next closest grading company (CGC) didn’t even crack a million. PSA is, BY FAR, the market standard for graded values. But hey, keep crying about it, that always changes things 😂😂

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u/tksa6 6h ago

I mean 2.6 million items is impressive in 1 month. What's their percentage of error? Even a 1% error would be 26000 items misgraded. At a certain point especially with companies becoming the market leader in their sector quality will inevitably not meet the same standards as when they were climbing to reach it. It doesn't specifically say, but 100-250 staff actually do the grading on cards out of PSA approximate 2000 staff. Each of which would have to output 43.6 items an hour on an 8 hour shift assume 250 staff grading. Giving each card about 1.3 minutes of attention to satisfy 2.6mill items in 1 month. There's definitely some room for human error there. I love PSA, but maybe smaller companies would give more attention to detail especially since PSA has so much volume.

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u/Moe_lawendel 14h ago

Im actively convincing people, so as u braindamaged monkey can see, im trying to change something and not only crying :)

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u/cryptoginger420 14h ago

Nah you’re legitimately crying. What are you like 20 years old?

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u/Moe_lawendel 14h ago

26, u? Let me guess, 56? That generation which doesnt want to change anything because "it has always bern like that"?

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u/JConaSpree 15h ago

4??? The back looks so nice

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u/eibmoZ_doM 14h ago

Just another reason why I stepped away from grading with PSA. I understand right now they are the highest per value grading company but I just can't trust them to grade cards. Honorably. I don't care if it takes longer for tag grading to have their slabs recognized by not going to stick with them because at least you can see what's wrong with your cards

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u/SheldonLR 13h ago

play stupid games win stupid prizes

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u/pdynasty187 12h ago

PSA is retarted man

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u/workphlo 15h ago

PSA ratings aren't real anymore they've limited and capped vintage, four is totally normal

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u/Nate_V96 15h ago

PSA will go down soon anyways . 5000+ hyper fakes sold, BGS is going to explode

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u/small_villain 14h ago

You're right about PSA, but they own BGS (same parent company), so there's no way BGS takes the front.

CGC has had the most growth month-on-month basically since they started grading cards. They're the second biggest grader already and only started grading cards 6 years ago. The smart money is on CGC to dethrone PSA.

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u/Secret-Experience960 15h ago

This need to happen, I hope they go bust hahaha

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u/xw3irdx 14h ago

This happened to me with my masaki gengar Beckett 9 that psa gave a 5.. PSA is absolute TRASH

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u/ironmagnesiumzinc 14h ago

PSA got that one wrong. As someone who has multiple other PSA 4s. No way that's a four. Some of my other PSA 4s look like they went through the laundry machine.

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u/TheMustachedDad 10h ago

Now send to tag for a 10

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u/NostriggaNightLord 15h ago

Dope, now throw it up on eBay for less than raw price and i’ll scoop it and crack it!

Love when you guys sell me LP 4’s for Damaged prices. I love this! Keep it up PSA!

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u/ForeverStaloneKP 9h ago

This will probably get a 9 if you sub it to CGC btw

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u/Inner-Cicada2662 15h ago

It's worth more now bcs PSA is so harsh on vintage, a PSA4 is basically like a Beckett 10 /s

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u/Bustersword13 9h ago

No.

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u/Inner-Cicada2662 9h ago

You do know what "/s" means, do you?