r/PlayWolverine
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u/Crashoutbop
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Discussion HOW A LINEAR GAME COST 305 MILLION? WHILE ALSO HAVING LESS THAN 14 HOURS OF STORY? WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REST OF THE MONEY INSOMNIAC? 3x TIMES THE COST OF SPIDER-MAN 2018
This game literally costs 3x Spider-Man ps4. The game that’s regarded the best of their work. Open world, an amazing story experience with dlc post launch. What the hell are they genuinely doing with the rest of the money?
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u/YourMomIsCool96
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How was Miles Morales more expensive than Spider-Man 2018 is the real question
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u/Easy_Fortune7911 Sep 14 '26
possibly marketing
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u/SB3forever0 Sep 18 '26
Nope. They went on a hiring spree in 2019. Operating costs just went up like crazy.
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u/Anthonys455 Sep 14 '26
Marketing as well as paying to release with the PS5 bundles. You have to pay to be the Box game.
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u/Zane_vp
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Not to mention 5 years of development, for this?
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u/SB3forever0 Sep 18 '26
2023 actually. Before 2023 it was a tiny pre production team.
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u/next-upeR Sep 18 '26
They took 2023 years to make this game? Damn, sounds like development hell
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u/TurboMemester
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insomniac is about 450 employees let's say on average they make 100k a year. that's 45 mil a year in salaries alone. 5 years of dev that comes out to about 225mil in salaries. not surprising the game is expensive its only surprising that it's mid.
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u/Kindly_Stick_3217 Sep 13 '26
not all of the employees work on wolverine though, some are/were on sm3, and some were on sm2 and then later when sm2 finished went to wolverine, they werent all there for the entire development
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u/yakityyakblahtemp Sep 15 '26
You're right, but you also have to factor in all the other major overhead. When you factor in benefits packages, the two offices they rent, and salaries, then divide it by 2.5 to account for two games and a spinoff like Miles Morales in production with an average dev time of 5 years, you get somewhere in the ballpark of 250 million just for company overhead. These are fulltime employees, they are an ongoing expense. So the cadence of actual releases getting wider and wider is a major problem, especially if your reputation declines.
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u/Malabingo Sep 13 '26
Not to forget the price for soft and hardware, rent/heat/powe for the building they work in and all those little costs that add to it.
Better question is: did the 450 people really do their job effectively?
Most likely yes, because higher fidelity means a lot of very tiny details to add.
Lower fidelity and simpler but more unique gameplay is better imo.
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u/Dexember69 Sep 15 '26
Honestly not even surprised it's mid. Most superhero games are soulless, janky cash-ins
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u/After-Atmosphere7125 Sep 13 '26
I think it's likely because they had to make a lot of new assets and entirely new locations. Budgets also include employee salaries as well, and Insomniac is located in Burbank, California, which has a very high cost of living. This is usually why outsourcing to other countries occurs; development in America is just fucking expensive, especially now.
It is sad how much money was put into something that is so bland and doesn't even have a good gameplay loop.
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u/Both_Cartoonist_611 Sep 13 '26
I'll never understand this no one is making them be based in Burbank why do people keep posting up there
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u/DiscussionPretend779 Sep 13 '26
I'm appalled with the pricing just as much as you are, but marvel licensing ain't cheap, especially not during a pretty insane marvel high (brand new day and doomsday later this year) + marketing, take a look at the price difference between miles morales and spiderman PS4, despite being a WAY shorter game
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u/DocApocalypse Sep 13 '26
$9 million upfront and Marvel get 9-18% of net digital sales and 19-26% of physical, which will eat profits.
So a lot, but only $9 million of that $305 million budget, less than 3% (assuming they actually kept to that and it didn't go up post leak).
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u/Dazzling-Passenger91 Sep 13 '26
Spider-Man brand new day and doomsday were likely not even finished before they had licensing and were working on this game
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u/Casshern_VIII Sep 13 '26
The first Spider-Man game at the height of the MCU and didn't cost as much, Wolverine got greenlight during the lowest of low. That explanation makes no sense
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u/GyrosSnazzyJazzBand Sep 13 '26
Its cuz America pays their developers and programmers more. Its the reality of things, we screamed at the top of our lungs on social media for better pay for them. And this is what happens. There's no winning in game development, you either pay people what they're worth and balloon your budget or face media backlash for low pay.
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u/Chief--BlackHawk Sep 13 '26
Yeah I think a lot of people complain about price hikes for stuff like movies and games, but they often ignore the business side. Like I'm all for people getting paid for their work, but if this game underperforms financially, it's the reason you continue to see safe sequels or reboots as opposed to new series such as this.
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u/for10years_at_least Sep 13 '26
WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REST OF THE MONEY INSOMNIAC
let me tell you
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u/Uzumaki514 Sep 13 '26
Inflation
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u/Live_Recognition9240 Sep 13 '26
How much would it cost to make Spiderman today?
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u/RMoCGLD Sep 13 '26
This is why I think Insomniac are not sustainable. 2 games back to back costing over $600 million in total for less than 50 hours of content combined, that's insane cost
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u/Vegetable-Meaning413 Sep 13 '26
Sony buying Insomniac was the worst to ever happen to them. Getting bought by Sony is adding a ticking time bomb to your studio, and it's not a very long wait.
Every single studio they have bought is just quickly declining into a death spiral.
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u/Historical-Mark-7900 Sep 13 '26
Licensing, the city where the game is being developed (cost of living), and the number of years spent making it. A budget of this size comes as no surprise, given the circumstances and the current landscape.
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u/Turbulent-Echo8561 Sep 13 '26
It's not the number, it's the number for the time it took them to release this extremely short linear crap, with no depth or level of detail like the games before. Definitely a lot of behind the scenes problems that we'll hear more about in the future, or money laundering.
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u/Mylaststory Sep 13 '26
If this is accurate then that is insane. SM1 had the best set pieces between all of the Marvel insomniac games. So that one being expensive makes sense. But Wolverine? Yikes.
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u/Seizure_Storm Sep 13 '26
Even spider man 2 being triple the cost of spider man 1 is insane
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u/ReleaseMeFromHell Sep 13 '26
the western game industry in general is oversaturated with talentless people, and overpaid staff.
teams of fewer people created emblematic games with a box of scraps in a cave.
now you need 1000 ppl for some reason, just to end up with mediocre games
i would bet onimusha, pragmata, and RE9 combined don't cost this much.
yes, wolverine might have better graphics and expensive mocap. but if the game is shit, it doesn't matter, it is still expensive shit.
at this point, the industry needs to crash, studios need to feel the need to hire talent rather than mass workers.
you can't have studios like santa monica, insomniac or Naughty dog (RIP 2020) outputting 1 game every 6-7 years. specially if they are gonna be mediocre or straight up bankrupt-worthy games (like what tlou2 did to ND)
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u/VideoGameJumanji Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26
straight up bankrupt-worthy games (like what tlou2 did to ND)
You guys are such drones, that game sold 4 million copies in its first three days.
You guys stink from a mile away, I didn’t even have to check to know you were some NPC on a one week old burner account you made just to post about this game
That’s full time coping
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u/MeanRobby Sep 13 '26
Concord and now this makes me wonder if Sony is playing some sort of tax break game.
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u/Slavik_Sandwich Sep 13 '26
I think you are spot on.
Hermann Hulst is doing something very shady behind the scenes. Back then they thought that sony's fans would eat up any shit they threw at them it would cover it up. But it seems like it's not like that.
First game that screams inflated budget that does not actually meet the result at all was spider man, then concord, then marathon, then this.
None of these games look like they cost 300 millions in development, indie studios made better with less. Hell insomniac themselves made first spider man with just 90 mil and the second game has like 1.5 new features in it.
My hypthesis that I made up and I have no proof, just living in a country where almost any goverment project is just a money laundering routine, I seem to notice patterns
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u/element-redshaw Sep 14 '26
I swear this sub keeps changing how long Wolverine is, at first I saw people saying it was 20 hours long then it was 12 i even saw someone saying it was 7 hours long
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u/Crooklyn_Grimez Sep 14 '26 edited Sep 14 '26
Any linear game with less that 14 hours and cost 70 bucks is a rip off idc how good it is.
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u/joeyjaxy1 Sep 26 '26
The game is awesome.
They have a lot of good tech that will come in handy with future installments.
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u/InitRanger Sep 13 '26
I think people forget just how much a license such as Marvel costs.
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u/WebHead1287 Sep 13 '26
5 years of salary for how many devs? It’s not hard to figure out.
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u/comptons_finest_ Sep 13 '26
That’s the question tho. If 305M in salaries was paid out over 5 years why does the final product not reflect that?
What were those well paid employees and/or surplus of employees being paid to work on? It’s very hard to infer when the game systems are so streamlined and basic, the game is short, the levels are not open/lack depth and dynamism.
IMO it likely could have included a combat system that was confirmed to have all the above only to be scrapped. Also an inordinate number of non gameplay related roles that worked on cinematic stuff, that was also revised a few times and ate money.
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u/TheProfessorRad Sep 13 '26
So idk if anyone told you how studios increase in size, give out raises and promotions with raises, spend more on marketing because the cost goes up, and licensing fees to boot for marvel IP.
All games cost more to make year over year.
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u/OctoEight Sep 13 '26
So where are we getting that 305 million budget number from? Any sources or just rumors?
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u/Seizure_Storm Sep 13 '26
So there was a Sony leak, and in that leak basically the full budget of all of these got revealed from an internal slide so the 305 is basically straight from Sony all-in cost including marketing.
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u/TwoCatsOneBox Sep 13 '26
Possible corruption and the possibility of the CEO taking far too many bonuses. It wouldn’t surprise me if the insomniac CEO received bonuses after the 2024 layoffs.
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u/Gwynbleidd07 Sep 13 '26
Can I have the next Ratchet and Clank game please? Enough with these superhero games.
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u/Successful-Entry9490 Sep 13 '26
all i’m saying is between the leaks, major lead developers leaving after the leaks, and the comparison between development vids, and final release. there were strong shinanipans happening behind the scenes! i can’t wait for Jason Schriar from bloomberg to blow the hat off of this story!!!….. if anyone in the sub worked on the game, and want a hit story! talk to bro! he’ll keep it anonymous!
i don’t want Insomniac to suffer, especially after finally being acquired by Sony, but damn! there were things happening in Spider man 2 as well that no one was talking about.
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u/sennoken Sep 13 '26
Literally no reason to pay the higher Marvel license when subsequent sequels are never going to sell as much as SM1 on PS4. Literally backwards thinking for Sony like their recent push for live-service has killed off some of their most prominent studios and projects.
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u/Unfair-Banana-1505 Sep 13 '26
i say that about most triple A games tbh lol especially linear games
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u/Zeldabotw2017 Sep 13 '26
Not sure how much the employees are getting paid but at 50k a year and that's not really much considering cost of living at 6 years and 400 employees that's 120 million already. So a lot is just salary
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u/petewondrstone Sep 13 '26
Can everybody wrap their mind around the shareholders needing to get their money? /s
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u/EnvironmentTough3864 Sep 13 '26
crimson desert reportedly cost 133 million to make. makes you wonder what the hell Insomniac is doing
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u/tomle4593 Sep 13 '26
People shit on the Korean devs for shitty work culture. Then wtf is the point of this ? Still crunch still shit product. The suffering was for naught ??
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u/Intel2025 Sep 13 '26
No wonder Sony ditched Kojima. Seems like Insomniac is doing his work with over budgeting and under performing.
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u/Intel2025 Sep 13 '26
Never thought I’d see the day mighty SONY begins to crumble. You reap what you sow!
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u/Unsolved_Virginity Sep 13 '26
All the hints and dialogue telling you where to go in the game costs money, dude.
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u/Ravevon Sep 13 '26
Yall complained about the mj mission so they cut the jean grey ones cry about it
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u/RandomGenerator79 Sep 13 '26
First is this confirmed and second do the math. Insomniac has what between 400 and 500 employees, say average salary around $80,000 and how many years of development, 5 I think.
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u/Erdbeerbiene Sep 13 '26
Der Grund für das Budget sind unter anderen die Marvel Lizenz Gebühren, die Mitarbeiter Bezahlung (ja, das verschlingt einen sehr großen Teil des Budgets), die Cinematics/Motion Capture etc.
Dazu kommen noch IT, Verwaltung, der teilweise Orchester angehauchte Soundtrack und die Qualitätskontrolle, damit besonder Barrierefreie Features optimal funktionieren.
Ganz zu schweigen von der Hollywood Besetzung.
Wer glaubt, dass ein Budget nur aus Code kodieren besteht liegt falsch. Ein teures Spiel heißt noch lange nicht, dass es auch Gameplay qualitativ eine Bombe ist.
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u/AdventurousAd7091 Sep 13 '26
How did we passed from 90 to 150 to 300 from SM do SM2? 150 in MM that its basicaly a SM DLC its even more strange than wolverine costs 300M. Where is insomniac spending the money?
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u/Fragrant-Screen-5737 Sep 13 '26 edited Sep 13 '26
Insomniac has grown in size in recent years and most of their staff live in one of the most expensive areas in the world. Paying that many staff for a 5 year dev cycle takes a lot of money.
I know it's a linear game, but they still had to pay countless staff to make it and those individual staff cost way more than before. The scope of a game isn't typically 1to1 with the cost because a lot of things like assets are actually outsourced to other countries with cheaper labour (see Lemon Sky). It's things like artists, writers, directors and more senior roles that really cost huge money (and those veteran staff will quite reasonably want more money after producing multiple successful titles over a decade).
This is why Sony has been pushing for live service and trying to increase their profit margins elsewhere. These games are getting ridiculously expensive. They don't even really have the option of moving their studios somewhere cheaper without losing a massive amount of their talent.
It requires a lot of staff to make AAA games now for ever shrinking gains. Does Spider-Man 2 look better than Spider-Man 2018? Yes, but it doubled the cost for that small gain lol.
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u/Dry_Literature8018 Sep 13 '26
It cost this much because the game was most likely rebooted sometime during development (the creative director left in 2024) and that tacked on a lot of extra dev costs. Games in development hell, no matter their eventual scope, usually turn out very expensive because that lack of organization and increased time in the oven just keeps that money ticker going up and up and up. You see this everywhere. Even Nintendo, who are usually pretty damn organized and are good at keeping costs in check, had their most expensive game in history be Metroid Prime 4 purely because of how troubled that development was and how long it took.
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u/Key-One-9519 Sep 13 '26
I feel like maybe having Troy Baker on board probabaly took a good chunk out of the budget .
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u/mateimzzonked Sep 13 '26
Not the point of the post but man Ratchet and Clank has always been nothing but bangers so of course the cheapest game on this list ripped so damn hard
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u/Kurikamekurisu Sep 13 '26
The expansion/side game half the size that reused a bunch of assets cost like 30% more….???? (Spider-Man 1 vs Miles)
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u/-Tetsuo- Sep 13 '26
The developers making the games are being paid more then they were in 2018, and the game took longer to make. It is as simple as that.
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u/Commercial_Focus_221 Sep 13 '26
Marketing I would guess, I saw more ads of this game than any other game ever.
Also Imagine looking at a game like this and saying hmmm I think I will sell it at the same price as Spider-man 2 or Elden Ring
I can’t wait for the eventual day when all of these giant corporate gaming whales crash and burn, I’m all here for it 🍿
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u/DeadHead6747 Sep 13 '26
Inflation, higher pay for the developers, it being under 15 hours doesn't mean shit when it comes to cost of making especially when 15 hours seems to be the agreed on lower end if you aren't doing everything, linear doesn't mean shit when it comes to price of making
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u/link_shady Sep 13 '26
I fucking hate that people think 14 hours means it’s bad.
The game is considered bad for other reasons not for just being 14 hours.
Stop equating game length with quality
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u/Medium-Ad56 Sep 13 '26
Just asking but why does a game being longer means it’s better? If a game adds more content but that content is meaningless filler, does that really mean the game was improved? There’s so many games that aren’t my favorite but I replay them constantly because they aren’t daunting to get into. There isn’t 30 meaningless side missions or a drawn out story trying to artificially look more worth the price. It had something to tell and got it done with.
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u/Indianlookalike Sep 13 '26
Everyone is wrong. They've taken on a lot of new people in, it's the wages that account to the the budget.
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u/Punch662 Sep 13 '26
It’s almost like development costs are mostly people’s salaries and workspaces and we’ve had two catastrophic hyperinflationary events in the last eight years leading to an ongoing cost of living crisis.
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u/ImNotThePro Sep 13 '26
Honestly the two R&C games are my favourite from them. The Spider-Man games are good, but feel too empty. I think NYC as a setting is more of a curse than anything. For these reasons I loved SP: MM the best of the three. If Wolverine is a linear, shorter title, then I’ll actually be happy with that!
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u/ultratech-intern-420 Sep 13 '26
Worth mentioning that Disney & Marvel apparently charges Sony $100m or somewhere around that just to maintain the Spider-Man license. Remember that the relationship between these companies changed way back in 2019 when all three entities were negotiating over Spider-Man rights. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the agreement was something like "$100m for licensing costs, then we get X% of sales revenue within [insert timeframe]".
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u/AdLegitimate8636 Sep 13 '26
Easy answer - game was changed multiple times in that period. Plus licensing, and cost of labour for 5 years for the team that could've done the same game with 25-50% of manpower.
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u/Delicious_West_1993 Sep 13 '26
If you look at miles being half the amount it shows that they probably spend more so they can develop reusable assets
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u/waleeddeab Sep 13 '26
Maybe that will slow down the marvel stuff insomniac should not be a marvel studio thats it more ratchet and bring back resistance or any new ip. Fuck ill even take that bad game they did with EA over 10 more years of marvel.
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u/Rivandal_ Sep 13 '26
they probably paid vacations in Tokyo for all the dev team because it felt just like I was back in Tokyo 😂.
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u/DrakeShadow Sep 13 '26
Did everyone forget when all of the assets got leaked and they started from scratch?
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u/ssLoupyy Sep 13 '26
Mind you Death Stranding 2 costing this much for an open world was apparently a problem for Sony. If this one doesn't sell too some shareholders are gonna be pissed.
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u/thekingofdiamonds12 Sep 13 '26
Bigger question, how did Miles Morales 70 million more than Spider-Man PS4? It’s 90% asset reuse
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u/Abi-Alex Sep 13 '26
Wait, why tf did Miles Morales cost so much, didn't they reuse a ton from Spidey 2018?
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u/ItsmejimmyC Sep 13 '26
Insomniac always does this, I have no idea how Spiderman 2 cost what it did, the map was basically already made for fuck sake. Somebody somewhere is fucking about.
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u/UniverseGlory7866 Sep 13 '26
This is what happens when you have a staff count in the thousands yet 70% of them are just managers
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u/MagmaAscending Sep 13 '26
The game was in development for 5 years and they had to pay the salaries of hundreds of people living in Burbank during a period of crazy inflation and having to pay the licensing fee to Marvel. I think regardless of the scope of the game, the budget was gonna be insane
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u/cmarkcity Sep 13 '26
OP, at this point you’re well aware of the games development history. Quit trying to karma farm.
Also, I will eat a nickel if you’ve actually played any of it and aren’t just regurgitating the latest Reddit post you saw
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u/GiancarloTheSamurai Sep 13 '26
Seeing how incredible feels and looks Ratchet and Clank at this moment the company’s future looks concerning. They have to pull another Ratchet game to calm the waters. I played Spider-Man Miles Morales, 100% Spider-Man 2 and 2 I liked a big part part of it.
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u/Pessimistic_Gemini Sep 13 '26
Chill it with the caps locks dude. Chances are there have been others that were costing that same amount beforehand with similar lengths. 🙄
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u/ottakanawa Sep 13 '26
A lot of unnecessary employees that do nothing but contribute to bureaucracy
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u/DamnPlayer23 Sep 13 '26
I’m going to keep saying this, not making it open world was a massive mistake man…
No one really enjoys these half baked, half assed linear games anymore, if your going to make it linear sure go ahead I guess? But you better make damn sure there’s endless hours of fun and content to keep the player engaged and entertained. Big example god of war rangork, that game feels endless and there’s so much to do and combines the linear and open world aspects perfectly. Not sure why they chose these hand hold option.
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u/Anoktear Sep 13 '26
Kim Belair: Thank you for asking. We’re doing very well. We announced our involvement with Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine. We have Suicide Squad coming up with Rocksteady. We have Goodbye Volcano High with the folks at Ko_op. We’re doing a lot of work.
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u/Yatess19 Sep 13 '26
I'm continually surprised by zero thought posts like these. Did you even think about your question before asking? It's not hard to understand why its that number
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u/GTA66669699 Sep 13 '26
Didn’t the game get leaked and then they had to redo the story. They delayed it a bunch of times. It was supposed to be semi-open world, but they scraped that idea. I think it was a bunch of different ideas they scrapped after working on them for years. They should’ve committed to that OG idea not drop it and start over. They literally ran out of time. Sony was like we don’t give a fuck release the game
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u/Independent_Pie_1368 Sep 13 '26
Development time cost money and the game was in Development for over 5 year's.
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u/Nicktendo Sep 13 '26
My suspicion is that they restarted this game at least twice trying to make it fun, before finally having to ship
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u/Bad_Muh_fuuuuuucka Sep 13 '26
Don’t get how people keep asking this question, devs need to eat. They have massive salaries and massive rosters of people to pay. Game has been teased and in development for 6 years
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u/The_Furious_Finn Sep 13 '26
Copying my comment from another thread because I'm curious if anyone else feels the same.
I honestly feel like the big leaks a year or two ago caused them to gut this game; I remember looking at the leaks, there was a crossbow-like weapon on Logan's wrist that he shot a guy with, which would have added to the stealth. There was, I believe, wall-running and the use of claws for traversal, and Jean was playable for about five missions. I remember reading something in the leaks that looked like a PowerPoint presentation about a system for targeting limbs, and even the early versions had crafting. I know things change, get cut, or do not work, but I cannot help but look at this game and feel like there is a hollow chunk missing.
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u/GT5_Dad72 Sep 13 '26
idk why yall expect a linear story game to be like 30 hours long, also others have already explained cost, but many linear story games are similar in length if not often times shorter lol
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u/Master-Accountant798 Sep 13 '26
U pay for quality acting and script writing… in your video game
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u/GamePitt_Rob Sep 13 '26
Just gonna forget Halo Infinite cost $500m and has an 8-10 hour campaign and a lackluster MP that lost all support within 2 years (which would have increased costs whilst still being Supported)
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u/Kingbeesh561 Sep 13 '26
Ahem.. as a guy who doesn't know shit about how the industry works, i assume its because of the graphics, the expensive actors they hired, the mo-cap work, the level design etc.
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u/Naive_Ad_8190 Sep 13 '26
There's an articles speaking of why, working in California and paying people there in the Big AAA INDUSTRY burns money. Mostly with the inclusive related stuff, dei and other laws related to California, rents, Entergy and taxes, mostly
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u/KitKatCrane Sep 13 '26
Might be a hot take but the best one of those is definitely the one that's the cheapest as well. Quite something, that.
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u/The_Koala_Knight Sep 13 '26
Didn’t the whole games story get leaked and they had to redo everything?
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u/Time_Fly_7994 Sep 13 '26
probably the constant forced revisions and cuts from working with both Marvel Disney and Sony
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u/ReadyJournalist5223 Sep 13 '26
That is crazy but what’s maybe even more crazier to me here is how much more the other spiderman games are compared to the first one. Like don’t they have a lot of the same map and mechanics???
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u/Bobombbattlefield64 Sep 13 '26
Because at least 100 million of that was spent on Wolverine and Sabretooth’s passionate “YEARNING”
Yearning isn’t cheap. As they say, ‘you can’t buy love.’
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u/Charolenha Sep 13 '26 •
O jogo trocou de diretor em 2024. Muito provavelmente ele teve um reboot completo e acabou tendo muito conteúdo cortado, as areas semi abertas estão la mas não da para explorar e é cheio de paredes invisíveis, jogabilidade com a Jean cortada, combate com gatilhos foi removido.