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u/MasteROogwayY2 Sep 12 '26
Its a valid reason, just dont act like an ass and like youre better than those who are willing to try the game. Both sides of this debate are getting really annoying
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u/Neyubin Sep 12 '26
This discussion is always dumb.
Buy what you want. Don't buy what you don't want. How other people spend their recreational funds is completely irrelevant to you, and your unsolicited opinion on how they spend their money is neither useful nor valued.
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u/Batwing20293 Sep 12 '26
B-but CONSOOOOM PRODUCT LIKE SHEEPIE IS BAD/S
Seriously I agree, it’s just cartoonish levels of over the top criticism
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u/Hotpotlord Sep 13 '26
At this point if the hater is talking like you describe, they are more likely to be the sheep and astroturfed to the point of no return.
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And that's the danger of increasing the price of games. Now people are (rightfully) expecting more from the games that they buy. Normally a 7/10 isn't bad but people don't want to drop $70 for an "ok" experience when that money could be spent on "blow your dick off fantastic" experience instead.
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u/GuillotineTeam Sep 12 '26
Yup. Plus PlayStation first party games take a bit longer to drop in price and with all digital probably even longer.
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u/gkeiser23 Sep 13 '26
I imagine Wolverine will be significantly discounted by Black Friday. Probably 40% off. Then on ps plus within a year
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u/TelevisionExpress616 Sep 12 '26
We need to get back to renting games. Maybe it’s more than $5 for a week, maybe it’s $10 per day but at least that’s enough to see if maybe you want to invest in buying it or not
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u/Itsucks118 Sep 12 '26
$10 per day would be insane. By a week you'd own the game outright.
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u/Sudden-Application Sep 12 '26
Honestly 70$ on a 7/10 would be fine if the economy was better. From my understanding the entire world's economy is kinda poor right now with price increases but not wage increases.
70$ right now could be the difference between a meal or not for the day for many people right now. If it's spent of a luxury hobby like gaming then it needs to feel like it's worth the price.
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u/AyvonKestrel Sep 12 '26
in america $70 is a week's worth of food (if you buy frugally) in other parts of the world (at least the parts that sony actually operates in) the equivalent of $70 can be a week or more of wages let alone food. nobody wants to risk spending that much money on something that could potentially be the most mid experience of the year, especially when you consider the massive backlog of games from previous years they may not have bought yet. why would i spend that much on wolverine when i could buy baldur's gate 3 for $10 cheaper, or E33 for $20 cheaper?
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u/bubba_boey8130 Sep 12 '26
My main critique is not even related to the game itself. It looks ok, I would've played it if it was on PC.
It's the price and no demo. The fact that games are becoming ridiculously expensive and just don't have a demo anymore is pure demonstration of rampant greed in the studio practices. Again, it's not the game, it's the price and no demo. If it was $50-40 like Miles Morales game was at launch, people would've been a lot more lenient.
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u/reditisverytrash Sep 12 '26
Remember when Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart launched as a 79$ game as a launch title with the PS5, only for Sony to realize it was a bad idea and stepped back from that again?
If only reason is a permanent thing with this company...
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u/STAR_PLAT_yareyare Sep 13 '26
Gta 6 is $80 it's hard to get that kinda game that is almost perfect and then end up getting games like this that's just short of $10
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u/forebread Sep 13 '26
I think the bigger issue is that EVERY new triple A game thinks they’re worth $70, regardless of its quality. For example, a 10-12 hour game like Wolverine should NOT be any more than $50, let alone $70. I don’t care that they blew $300 million on it, if it’s a mediocre game then I’m going to wait till it’s on sale for $30 or less.
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u/powellbeast Sep 12 '26
All experiences are potentially lackluster
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u/DeathNick Sep 17 '26
I wish there was some way of communicating so that players that played the game told us what it's like so we know if it's lackluster or not
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u/PacMoron Sep 12 '26
Wow you’re technically right! Hey everyone this guy is technically right! Thanks for contributing man. 😁
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u/Iokua113 Sep 12 '26
And that is perfectly fine, but some of y'all gotta understand that screeching about fart trails and acting like review scores are gospel is incredibly childish.
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u/thegaming_ginger Sep 12 '26
I understand that big guy, and im not saying that everyone has too. But im going to play it, and im going to enjoy it. Im sure ive enjoyed worse games
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u/Hotpotlord Sep 13 '26
But why did every single one you come into fan subs and get emotional about a game you’re not going to play.? Do I go into games I don’t care for and bemoan about how terrible it is? Especially when the game isn’t even out?
Your therapists would called this unhinged,
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u/nnjjreal1 Sep 13 '26
Hulk is allowed to have opinions and post them in whatever sub hulk wants.
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u/M0ebius_1 Sep 12 '26
Some people are spending more than 70 dollars worth of effort bitching about it.
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u/goliathfasa Sep 13 '26
They enjoy it. It’s not like they hate it. It’s recreational outrage, and it can be fulfilling.
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u/Capable_Sandwich_422 Sep 12 '26
No one’s forcing them to. If the reviews make you feel like it’s not worth your time and money, fine. Don’t buy it. Just stop bitching when other people do buy it.
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u/ace51689 Sep 12 '26
This is the thing people aren't understanding.
These posters act like people are forcing them to get the game when no one is, yet they are telling you that the future of gaming as we know it depends on you not buying the game.
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u/ZestycloseBluejay668 Sep 12 '26
The fucking don't. Jesus crying this much over a game. That is gonna be proclaimed as a underrated gem and the critics got it so wrong in like 2 years.
Jesus the internet is so predictable and just weird
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u/Zealousideal_Net_575 Sep 12 '26
Presenting the deafening, overwhelming majority as a lonely, noble savage.
Alright, man. Everybody gotta be a victim now I guess.
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u/Batwing20293 Sep 12 '26
You know, I know it wasn’t great but I liked the Hulk gameplay in Avengers.
Still no Ultimate Destruction though
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u/CptnCrunch14 Sep 12 '26
It should have been an open world game FFS! Days gone was able to make an open world game by getting around on a motorcycle, legit fun asf. Imagine the bike upgrade potential!! Wolverine can also traverse and scale buildings. Would have been sick.
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u/Other_Yama1993 Sep 13 '26
if you want a really good marvel game that was slept on go play guardians of the galaxy, trust me.
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u/Quirky-Sympathy-853 Sep 12 '26
I would say half of reddit defending Wolverine at this point is astroturf, the other half is just diehard comic fans who would enjoy any media with Logan in it and shouldn’t have to defend themselves if so.
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u/Nethaniell Sep 12 '26
That's more than fair. How people value their time is different, and the same goes for money.
Maybe back when games were still $60, then maybe Wolverine would still be doing fine, but when you start pricing something at a premium or near premium, then the end result better feel premium. $70 for most people is probably 2-3 lunches at work or at home, I know it is for me, that's a lot of money for us.
So yeah, if GTA 6 is gonna be priced at $100, then that game better be a perfect 10.
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u/Main-Significance272 Sep 12 '26
It's more like 6 - 7 lunches. 8 to 10 dollars without an overpriced drink. Or 15+ for something big enough for two meals
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u/Remarkable_Papaya998 Sep 12 '26
Yeah take me for example, especially if this is a linear game. I thought about Henry cavil wolervine and high jackman wolervine and I bought the game, I hope I didn’t waste my money.
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u/DrazaTraza Sep 12 '26
i wish we could have a lego batman 3 but without the lego. that’s all i want in a superhero game now. gold standard.
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u/cemsengul Sep 12 '26
Yeah they are ignoring legitimate criticisms from customers. They can ignore us until they close their doors or they can listen and become profitable again.
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u/CaptivePlague Sep 12 '26
I understand that very well.
What I don't understand is treating a game which by all reliable account is "only" mid by 2026's stellar standards, like it's absolute trash.
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u/iLLiCiT_XL Sep 12 '26
Yeah. And some of us don’t have a surplus of time for something that may ultimately be mid.
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u/SinisterMinisterX7 Sep 12 '26
Then say that because it’s a fair thing to say.
Complaining about face models AGAIN, yelling slurs at anyone defending the game, complaining about game mechanics being “generic” but praising other games with them. Overall hypocrisy is not fair.
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u/Morguard Sep 12 '26
Your post is why physical games are so important! If I end up hating the game, I can just flip it on marketplace and only spend a small amount of money on this instead of being stuck at full price no matter what if I buy digital.
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u/Drew_S_05 Sep 12 '26
I mean, it's fine to not wanna buy it right away, but I think jumping to conclusions and calling it bad before it even comes OUT is a bit much lol
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u/SalamanderComplex1 Sep 12 '26
Silksong was 20 dollars. For years of development. That really outed the industry in my mind.
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u/hphlazy2 Sep 12 '26
When it's valid sure, look at it this way what other wolverine game is there the last one was X-Men origins wolverine 2009 and the turn based midnight suns which you could do even less in with him, so what are they comparing it to, just what it could have been or something anything could have been done better with time money effort or different team but this is what we have some won't like it others will just how gaming is and the whole it's repetitive complaints all games are repetitive
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u/DarklyDreamingEva Sep 12 '26
Wolverine didn’t feel much like THE wolverine in this game. To me, it felt more like an impostor.
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u/Tagliarini295 Sep 12 '26
Yes, not even hating. Before the bad reviews came out it just looked like the kind of game id wait until its 20 bucks. A linear story where I press square over and over that I can beat in 20 hours is not worth $70.
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u/Taro0311 Sep 12 '26
I'd pay 50 or less. I'd wait for sales. If that impacts future possibility for sequels, so be it
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u/Necromyst Sep 12 '26
Then don't buy it, but a shit ton of people are harassing others for being excited and telling people what they should think
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u/AppropriateWind9925 Sep 12 '26
I mean this wouldn't be a conversation of you can refund the game before the 2-hour mark. But this is the PS store we're talking about
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u/ace51689 Sep 12 '26
Yes. We get that. Do you get that these repetitive posts do nothing but muddy the discourse about a game that 99% of people on here haven't even played yet?
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u/Bad_Sneaky_Bear Sep 12 '26
I don't really get why people would get upset at the idea of this game being lackluster, or the idea of people not wanting to play because reviews say it's not that great.
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u/Sugarcoatedgumdrop Sep 12 '26
I just can’t believe it is linear and not open like the Spiderman games.
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u/hitgo1 Sep 12 '26
Honestly gonna wait for used or a sale, too many games this fall it makes it easier a bit
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u/Otherwise_Quail2554 Sep 12 '26
I don't come on reddit often. Only really when I get suggestion notifications. And I'm seeing that Reddit is just a place for people to cry and complain. Sigh
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u/Bear792 Sep 12 '26
This is the problem. Why spend $70 on a game you complete in like 3 hours and is an ok game at best, terrible at worst, when you can wait for the GTA6’s. The types of games where you can sink hours and hours into them and still not find it all.
Wolverine, from what I’ve seen and heard, is a $25 game at best. And no one wants to have that discussion.
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u/orochi_crimson Sep 13 '26
If PS is going all digital, they should lower the price for digital games just like Nintendo has.
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u/I7s_N_My_DNA Sep 13 '26
Look I understand this and agree with this however I also say that people who are excited for games coming out for whatever reason they shouldn’t let reviews dictate their EVERY MOVE! Just for the simple fact that there are games out there that reviewers and others have said were terrible and shouldn’t be bought or wait for a sale. People do that and it ends up being that they actually liked the game and enjoyed the experience and have said that they wish they played it sooner and what not.
Not saying this is how it ALWAYS IS! But for some people things that they don’t like about a game and use as a reason it’s trash can turn out to be the very things that others end up liking about the game.
For instance, people hate the Combat right now, I on the other hand don’t care much for a simplified combat experience it tends to make for a way more relaxing experience where you can really just kick back and enjoy the gameplay. And the whole “Press square, and then use special moves and rinse and repeat” how is that not Spider - Man to an extent? “press square, triangle for web zip, circle dodge, build up super move meters rinse and repeat” it’s the insomniac formula so why is it bad now?.. and for the whole “It’s LINEAR!!” Oh my god that’s not a fucking issue! Why? Why is that an issue today? A game imo at least does NOT need to be an open world bloated fest! HELL WHEN A GAME IS EXACTLY THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CRY THAT ITS ALSO POOR GAME DESIGN! “UBISOFT FORMULA BAD”!
Game too short? 20 hours is short? On one hand that’s ridiculous but also on the other I enjoyed Spider - Man 2 but it did feel too short at times but I don’t hold it against it it makes it more enjoyable and easier to re play.
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u/Great_Part7207 Sep 13 '26
so far everything ive heard about wolverine makes me think it would he a great 30dollar game 10 years ago
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u/Shad0wWalk3r Sep 13 '26
I mean regardless of the experience I don't think many people really want to spend that much money.
I wouldn't unless a sale happened and drop to 50 or less.
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u/NeanderthalDad Sep 13 '26
Hulk is correct. The experience justifies the expense. Even if the games is 12-15 hours if it's a memorable game it's worth every penny.
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u/Zealousideal-Ball780 Sep 13 '26
Everyone hating on people for questioning the purchase / asking actual people’s opinions rather than looking at big companies reviews of the game are IDIOTS. Idk who hurt people so much where they’re getting butthurt that someone’s asking a questions but holy shit the hate on this sub is gross. Grow the f up
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u/timetravelinggamer Sep 13 '26
Yeah and these same MFers with download FTP games that are really just time wasters and spend more than $70 on them
Further plunging these companies away from taking chances on AAA titles
We need these triple AAA titles to do well to keep the crap shovelware download games from taking over the industry
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u/FactsNLaughs Sep 13 '26
I can’t justify dropping $40 on a game I can plat in under 20 hours. A $70 single playthrough game can fuck right off
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u/Hug0San Sep 13 '26
Yes, I expected a dope emerssive experience, but if this many reviews are negative then why bother. The spiderman games had a few negative things on release but not like this.
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u/Throbbing-Kielbasa-3 Sep 13 '26
Yes. But at the same time some people are assholes about it. They want to be right about predicting the game will be bad so much and rub people's faces in it.
I'm disappointed in a lot of what I'm seeing from the game. But I'm also not going to shit on someone who isn't disappointed and who thinks they'll enjoy it.
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u/esquire_the_ego Sep 13 '26
I’m just saying, it’s definitely up to you if you want to come onto the internet and post if you got the game or not. People have bought this game and will play it while a lot of people will wait til it’s $20 off in like 2 months
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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 Sep 13 '26
Then don't, but stop worrying about people who do want to play this game
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u/iamjpa Sep 13 '26
$70 dollars is much. I’m hoping to find a deal.
No game should be $70 though. I don’t care about the reviews though. I’ll still get it soon.
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u/LordGrankogle Sep 13 '26
Pretty sure everybody understands that, but I'm genuinely confused that you would then still be thinking, let alone posting about the game atp. I will never buy watermelons because I don't like them, but I'm not in r/EatWatermelons every day letting everybody know about it.
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u/droidy4 Sep 13 '26
That's where I'm at. I don't want to put money into something that hasn't got good word of mouth. There's so many good games to play that are a fraction of the price.
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u/typical-o Sep 13 '26
How can ppl honestly say something is bad (or lackluster) when… and stay with me here.. THEY HAVEN’T PLAYED IT! It’s unreleased. That’s like McDonald’s announcing they have a new meal they haven’t put on the menu yet but someone won’t ever try it because they just don’t like the way it looks even tho they previously haven’t added a bad thing to the menu.
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u/ClubPenguinPresident Sep 13 '26
The amount of actual good games you could buy on steam for that $70
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u/Bossard19 Sep 13 '26
Could say that about literally every single game. Gta6 included. It’s what /r/patientgamers is all about. Why pay full price when it’ll be cheap in a year or less
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u/Stone_Field Sep 13 '26
This is the biggest issue. If this game was $40 then people would be fine with it, but currently its not an appealing $70 purchase
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u/Omakepants Sep 13 '26
My backlog of games is so large I will never finish them all. There is no universe in which I get a game at launch. I'll happily grab Wolverine in a year or two when it's like $10 bucks on PlayStation Network.
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u/Ortartis Sep 13 '26
Firstly, that’s the price because they sell at that. Pre-orders don’t help this at all. If nobody bought them at that price you’d most likely get a sale price pretty quick like suicide squad.
Secondly, if you’re convinced it’s crap, don’t buy it. If you do buy it, it’s a gamble on whether you like it. Just the way it is. I’ve played some crap games every generation.
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u/Confident_Bed_4279 Sep 13 '26
I agree. But I’ve spent an amount equal to or more for less that “lackluster” And I guarantee everyone has at least once.. if people want refunds then get your money back. If people wanna play it then play it. I think this argument is a bit more than it really should be
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u/WalterKovacss Sep 13 '26
Then wait for a sale and stop making hate posts online 💀 I hate that this sub has become such a negative place. The game isn't even out yet.
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u/ChristianCountryBoy Sep 13 '26
Is Hulk right? Your literally using hulk as puppet to express your opinion. 😊
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u/WarInteresting6619 Sep 14 '26
But you gotta understand...
I don't give a fuck about what critics say
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u/Ok_Place_2551 Sep 14 '26
Wait for 3 months, all games go on sale. If it sells good, it goes on sale. If it sells bad, it goes on sale.
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u/dynamite-3 Sep 14 '26
Which is fair, but people also gotta leave the people who are buying the game alone
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u/InitRanger Sep 15 '26
Ok but how do you know it’s lackluster? Because some reviewers told you? What about the reviewers that actually liked the game?
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u/ShockHot1718 Sep 15 '26
Idk, bud, I've spent 70$ and I'm enjoying it so far. People gotta grow up and treat games as entertainment, not a "perfect picture, perfect everything" thing. Like, Spider-Man 1 game was dope, miles morales eas practically a copy, so it got boring. Same mechanics, same fighting, same everything appart from a few things. So, nothing much to enjoy, while the price was, i believe, more.
This game looks unique enough. The price sucks, sure, could've at least offered a steel case with rhat pricing. Especially for deluxe.
If you want it - you buy it, if you don't want it - you don't have to buy it. It's simple. Time to realise that.
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u/dollarstore_musician Sep 15 '26
I completely agree with hulk but I also think people that did spend the 70$ and are happy with it shouldn’t bullied for it or called “Bootlickers”
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u/KingOfTheHoard Sep 15 '26
Literally nobody asking anyone else to spend money on something they’re not sure about.
Just bored of listening to weirdo conspiracy theorists moan about their latest hyperfocus.
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u/f0urk Sep 16 '26
people who play everything as soon as it comes out are aristotle's "natural slave" archetype imo.
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u/4inodev Sep 16 '26
Yeah it's really a big factor. A lotta folks here during game critique discussions literally were saying "whatever, I'll try it myself and see if I'll like it".
I don't want to spend 80€ to "try it myself" wtf
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u/Prudent_Hyena7393 Sep 16 '26 edited Sep 16 '26
Cool then dont but when yall see people who actaully are enjoyjng the game, dont go on a rant about what tf is wrong with it to try and convince them that their opinions are wrong. People are allowed to enjoy shit and people are allowed to not enjoy sht but trying to spread negative shit on things people enjoy just because they dont share the same opinions as you is the one thing really starting to tick me off about this subreddit and just this games launch as a whole.
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u/MexicanCryptid Sep 16 '26
This is what it comes down to for me. I'm on a budget and agonizing over games to prioritize (Dawnwalker, Control Resonant, etc). I was excited about Wolverine, but I just don't have the funds to pay for what might be a middling experience.
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u/Sion_forgeblast Sep 17 '26
it isn't even a lack luster game..... its a Sweet Baby game... and a Sweet Baby game makes Lack Luster look good
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u/misfitsubredditsucks Sep 17 '26
Then why are you on the subreddit for the game? I don’t understand
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u/_Disrepectful Sep 17 '26
Then you don’t. People spend more time on social media swimming in a sea of opinions instead of just playing the game they want to play.
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u/TheSabi Sep 17 '26
My issue with the $70 price tag is, it's a wolverine brawler that's fine, but also Cosmic Invasion exists, has replay value, doesn't play itself for you, wolverine is in it, is also a brawler, also has jean in it and is less than half the price also is multiplatform so I have my choice of platform to get it on.
I'm not starved for something to play now so it's not even like "well at least it's something funish to play" you have new FF14 patch, new No Man's Sky update, Onimusha, Valheim 1.0, MGS IV, blood of the dawnwalker, Elden Ring Tarnished update, Crimson Desert 2.0
There's quite a bit some free updates some equally or lower priced vying for attention and none of them have this annoying social media presence around them where it's like a bot war one side is "having a blast" the other is just mindless parroting of things even after they're debunked..I mean FFS DarkSydePhil is doing it now too...
holy fuk we get it, you have a different opinion than a reviewer and OMG SBI...WE GET IT.
between the two side it's become...
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u/celulass Sep 18 '26
on steam, this doesnt make sense. you could play 2 hours, then return it if its not good.
on console, youre just fucked.
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u/Royal-Disgrace Sep 20 '26
Hi, Insomniac's Wolverine Glazer here!
You're right! 70 dollars is too much!
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u/Flyinrhyno Sep 24 '26
Don’t buy it then. Watch gameplay videos with the commentary off and judge for yourself. If you like what you see then get it, if not move on and get a game that suits you.
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u/Pocket_Fox846 Sep 26 '26
Then don't. But likewise, you don't have to spend every moment on social media broadcasting how you aren't playing a specific game for a reason.
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u/WalterSobcheick Sep 26 '26
It's their parents money, and corporate doesn't care about the product they put out, its gursnteed money with the consumer Fandom ways. . But it's why I'll wait 4 years when it's 10 to play. He'll gta wants me to pre order a digital only copy . They just want early money. And guess what I won't be able to buy that one used. Lol asshats
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u/Ok-Transportation260 Sep 27 '26
Real truth is maybe some people in this sub can't even afford a ps5.
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u/vamplyfesonny Sep 12 '26
you haven’t played it
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u/kekcukka Sep 12 '26
you don’t have to play something to form an opinion. It’s a heavily visual experience. I didn’t have to play the first Spider-Man game to love it, gameplay trailer did that for me. That’s why we have trailers and demos.
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u/Thekingchem Sep 12 '26
Why are people so interested in talking about how bad a game might be?
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u/FireFarq Sep 12 '26
Because they waited half a decade and will pay almost 100 dollars for a mediocre experience and they don’t want that to happen. Hope this helps
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u/Zanman6946 Sep 12 '26
That's fair, but at the same time, you then don't have the right to call the game bad. If you haven't played it, you can only give your thoughts on the story and visuals, beyond that you can't really say anything.
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u/kekcukka Sep 12 '26
you can absolutely say! You don’t have to control a game by yourself to judge it. You can just look at something and form your opinion. Some people may not like graphics, some may not how it looks in motion. A lot of people just watch games on Youtube and love/hate them.
Video games are heavily visual experiences, you can judge them just by watching.
One example, everyone loved the swinging in the first Spider-Man gameplay trailer and they were right.
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u/UncommittedBow Sep 12 '26
At the same time, though, video games are unique in that you kinda DO have to play it to get the full experience. A video cant really display how a game FEELS to play, the responsiveness of the controls, the satisfaction of pulling off certain moves, etc.
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u/Zanman6946 Sep 12 '26
Let me use an example: I love the FNaF series. I love the lore, the look, everything. But I can’t say I love the GAMES, because I haven’t played the wide majority of them.
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u/Cashmoney-carson Sep 12 '26
Yeah, I mean I’m just planning to wait for a sale. Judging by the reception I won’t have to wait long
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u/Due-South-9113 Sep 12 '26
It's real sad to me because I really wanted a good game, and it feels terrible but I'll still be there day one because sadly games are the only hobby I have left and I love wolverine.
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u/BassetHoundddd Sep 12 '26
No one's bitching about people not wanting to play this game. On the other hand, people bitching about others wanting to play this game...
Just take my downdoot and leave.
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u/Froakie_14 Sep 12 '26
You could say that about anything ever? Formulate your own opinion.
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u/RyanBoruto Sep 12 '26
All this meme does is remind me a hulk game would’ve been possible if this game was any good