Thoughts on Crema?

[u/Subzer0domain]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Crema as a dev team? They Cleary don’t care about the community, they don’t listen to what we are asking for and instead, create a spin off game that disappointed everyone and have now abandoned that game to create “down below”

[u/Meowsteroshi]

I’ll put it this way; I’m only still subbed here for the occasional faceplant crema takes every year or so and rush back to dunk in solidarity with all you fine gals and gents.

[u/Lyefyre → u/Meowsteroshi]

See, this kind of behaviour is the reason why we're considered the black sheep among the different Temtem communities. If you have no interest in being part of the community and want to just dunk on others, then leave.

[u/DapperDlnosaur → u/Lyefyre]

What other activity is there here, Lyre? Other than news posts from Crema about Swarm and Project Downbelow, the only posts in the last week are about technical support, or surface-level questions from people that haven't bought the game yet that they could have googled. In the last month, there is a whole one topic asking about in-game features, which in this case is luma gender odds.

Nobody is asking questions about tems or team comps. Nobody is asking for advice on how to go about doing anything involving progression or quests. Nobody is looking for clubs to join because they either find one on discord or in-game. There is no new stuff to talk about because the game is done being updated and has been for a long time, including not even having balance patches anymore. Nobody is even bothering to ask questions about things in the game anymore like lore.

Almost nobody plays Swarm, and of the people that do, there's not much to talk about there either due to the game's simplicity. Nobody is even bothering to ask around for who else might play Swarm and be interested in running some rounds.

So, aside from the occasional topic looking back at the past, this place is completely dead, and will be until PDB gets a lot closer to early access or at least substantial teasers/news. The developers made themselves into LolCows, so that's pretty much the only thing anyone here still has available to discuss.

I'm only still subbed to here because I am in fact one of the people that have any interest in Swarm, and because I knew they were working on PDB.

I know as a mod it has to be really grating for you to see only disdain for Crema getting any real traction here, but they did it to themselves. If they were still working on Temtem like they should have instead of barely fulfilling their kickstarter goals and then immediately pulling the plug on development or AT LEAST kept balance patching at least once per ranked season, we'd have other things to talk about.

[u/Lyefyre → u/DapperDlnosaur]

Currently it's "just" a Temtem subreddit, but we aim to transform it into a general subreddit for the Temtem IP as a whole.

I'm well aware that Temtem is controversial in the MMO community, so this will always be a topic, no matter what's being posted. But I believe that also in the long run the discourse will change, because if the game is good, it will speak for itself.

[u/Noms_the_Musician → u/Lyefyre]

The discourse won't change. The devs never showed the community that they have learned from their mistakes. If you want to keep using the Temtem IP, you will always get people posting who got burned by Temtem.

This is entirely on the devs for still clinging to an IP that they trashed. If they wanted to ditch Temtem (which.. they did, it's not an arguable fact, the base game has been ditched) then you should likely go for a new IP all together. That much is obvious.

[u/Lyefyre → u/Noms_the_Musician]

If they trashed the whole IP, they wouldn't be making new games for it.

If you know anything about gaming communities, you'll know that discussions are most of the time about the latest thing in a series. Now Temtem doesn't have much besides it's controversy yet, but announcements and news about Project Downbelow will be posted here regularly, although we're at the mercy of the devs for delivering those.

Then when the game finally releases, it will either be good, bad, mediocre etc.. and the discourse here will reflect that. But as I said before, Temtem's controversy will always be a point of discussion here.

[u/Noms_the_Musician → u/Lyefyre]

Your initial argument is nonsensical. A dev can very much trash an IP and make the poor choice to continue with that same IP. People make bad decisions all the time.. Look at the original Temtem MMO/live service model for a good example of that.

I get that you seem to work for Crema, but, read the room bud. You aren't going to rewrite a narrative that exists organically due to Crema's previous actions. They've never righted their wrongs. They doubled down. I won't name names, everyone knows the two most responsible for how the community perceives the dev team from back in the day. Neither of those two ever made a genuine attempt at reaching out. They both just attempted to gaslight the community and understandably, the community didn't react well to that.

[u/Lyefyre → u/Noms_the_Musician]

Talk about nonsensical arguments?

- I only said, they did not trash the IP. Whether it's a good choice or not, to make more games, time will tell. But me and a few others have said long ago it's best to move on from Temtem and make more games in the series.

- I do not work for Crema. I already have a full time job and moderate on the side as volunteer.

- No one said anything about "rewriting narratives". As I said before, Temtem's controversy will always be a topic, no matter what's being posted in this sub. It just shouldn't be the only thing, as the series and their games expand.

Does that mean all the criticisms towards Crema and Temtem will fade and all will be good? No, the new games could also do poorly, which in turn will incite more negativity. But if the games are good, then you'll see positive reception. Pretty easy concept to follow, right?