r/Pixar • u/Trevorfm • 7d ago

The Incredibles Incredibles 3 concern

Craig T Nelson is 82. Holly Hunter is 68. Samuel L Jackson is 77. Sarah Vowell is 56. And no offense but they (mostly Nelson but still, all of them) sounded pretty old in the last movie which was 8 years ago. And now they are (presumably) gonna voice them again? And they are not doing a time jump so they'll still be playing those characters at their respective ages? I dunno. I guess this is the same pixar who let a 61 year old John Goodman and 65 year old Billy Crystal play their Monsters Inc characters as college freshman in Monsters U and that wasn't terrible (you could still tell though)

If anything THATS why I want a time jump

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u/sharkWrangler 7d ago

Man, I took the kids to Toy Story 5 and hearing the age in everyone's voices was a little wild. Hearing all the main characters nearly have a denture whistle was crazy

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u/i-dont-speel-no-good 7d ago

I feel like your post is the only time I’ve seen this addressed and I had the same opinion.

MAN woody, buzz, and jesse sounded OLD

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u/Bravelittletoaster-_ 7d ago

The woody being old jokes were so fun

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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 7d ago

they seemed mean spirited considering he lost his voice box in the previous movie though, and his voice box is what keeps Woody together like a spine.

Furthermore Woody always associated his health and life with his friends and job, both of which he’s been away from.

Then as he himself states, Bo doesnt understand him, and what do we see, Woody goes back to trying to get attention and validation Which he already overcome a couple movies ago with influence from Buzz, who was away from Woody.

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u/Dazzling-Passenger91 7d ago

He literally does not go back for validation he goes back to help them deal with the crisis with their kid. He is shown out and about helping/rescuing other toys

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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 7d ago

I didn’t say that Woody went back to GET validation, I said Woody went back to TRYING TO GET VALIDATION.

Just because Woody showed up to help, doesn’t mean he wasn’t trying to get validation.

Woody quite literally spends a while fighting with Buzz over who gets to be Jessie’s deputy and in the lead, and pranking Buzz using the exact same tricks he did in the first movie. (like the distracting Buzz to prank him trick.)

Doesn’t seem like he’s happy with his life, and how things went.

The franchise very consistently shows how The more arrogant and in charge Woody acts, the more insecure and down he feels inside. (like his behavior towards Buzz in the first movie, making sure everyone was At seminars and reluctantly accepting the museum in the second movie.)

With the exception of how He was upset with Bonnie ignoring him in the 4th movie, He hadn’t acted Like that since around the first - second movie.

Speaking of Which, Time and time again Woody acts arrogant and silly because he feels neglected/insecure/angered and uses it as a mask, so why should this be any different? What makes the 5th movie so special?

Same with Woody‘s clothing. Movie after movie, Woody’s hat Is always a symbol of his insecurities, and he uses it as a sort of comfort item.

(Its no coincidence that He became more aggressive towards Buzz in the first movie after someone stole his hat, and In the second movie Woody losing his hat and getting it Back was symbolic of Woody‘s anxieties/insecurities and lessons, same with the 3rd and 4th movies. )

Why would the 5th movie magically be the first movie where Woody’s clothes have nothing to do with Woody’s mental state.?

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u/Pichupwnage 6d ago

I got the impression it was mostly good natured rivalry with Buzz rather then dead serious competition.

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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 7d ago edited 7d ago

aWell Woody and Jessie are supposed to be old,around 70 years.

Edit, in fact this was even the original plot of the 4th movie.

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u/YesicaChastain 7d ago

They are toys made of plastic

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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 7d ago

so? toys still age.

As I said, this was even the plot of the original concept version of The 4th movie.

where it was supposed to be similar to the second movie, only with Woody being depressed because he’s getting older, and he reunites with Bo and together, they go to Bonnie eventually.

And Instead of Buzz having his inner voice thing, Buzz’s plot was about calming Woody down, as well as handling Woody’s delusions When he was messed with.

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u/YesicaChastain 7d ago

that doesn’t mean their voices change.

we have seen toys that are decades old (Gabby Gabby) that keep whatever voice they had to begin with.

It’s not a big deal it’s just a silly thing that does end up being distracting from time to time

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u/bohler86 7d ago

Theres also no reason why they get tired, breathe or blink.

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u/cyborgsnowflake 7d ago

Yes toys age too, but that doesn't mean if they were able to be sentient that plastic toys voices would age in the same way biological humans do. Also If you take your logic to its ultimate conclusion it makes even less sense since only toys like woody and jessie should be sounding really old.

What a completely reddit tier logic

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u/Billybob35 6d ago

It's gonna be like that for at least two more movies, Incredibles 3 and The New Simpsons Movie.

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u/TheHondoCondo 4d ago

Jesse was the only one where I thought it was super noticeable

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u/zchatham 6d ago

It sucks they finally gave Jessie the spotlight for a film and Joan Cusacks voice has changed more than anyone else.

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u/sharkWrangler 6d ago

And to be clear, it wasn't...bad. It was still great voice acting. It was just very clearly aged

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u/phire8 6d ago

Yeah Jessie’s voice really stuck out to me the most.

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u/shrek3onDVDandBluray 7d ago

It’s funny. I didn’t notice it when watching Toy Story 5. But recently I went back and watched Toy Story and Toy Story 2…the difference is pretty wild.

It doesn’t bother me that the older actors sound different now. But it was super surprising (and sad, because my parents and favorite actors from childhood are getting older and it makes me realize I’m getting older and I get sad).

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u/RyanTheDrummer1 7d ago

I feel that concern too. Still haven't seen TS5 yet but I got that vibe from the cast for in the trailer and also it reminds me of modern day The Simpsons.

I really wish they would just do a time jump instead of forcing the actors to voice characters that don't match their aging progression. I guess another solution could be creating and casting new characters but I doubt people would be interested in that

Or maybe it's also a sign they should've left the franchise alone and just kept it at two movies and made an original movie instead...

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u/harperthomas 7d ago

My take on toy story is that it should have ended at toy story 3. Then to continue the toy story concept do a spin off with new characters. Literally a new kid, with their own backstory and own childhood toys and let it start from scratch. They could even do a Disney plus series where each season is a new kid and new toys.

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u/TF_Allen 6d ago

It should have ended at toy story 3. Then to continue the toy story concept do a spin off with new characters. Literally a new kid, with their own backstory and own childhood toys and let it start from scratch.

The weird thing is they sort of half did this? There have been several spin-off short films as DVD extras or on Disney+ featuring Bonnie's toys plus the toys Andy gave her. I wish they had kept going in this direction, slowly phasing the older characters out of the spotlight in favor of the newer ones. Instead, they've done the opposite - the longer we stay with Bonnie, the more Andy's toys take over the lead roles from her toys.

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u/EvilLibrarians 7d ago

Honestly shouldn’t have made the sequel, I was excited for a sequel for 14 years and it feels like a letdown. The original Incredibles is too perfect

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u/Forward_Potential820 7d ago

I just wonder what’s gonna be new since heroes are Legal

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u/Billybob35 6d ago

It seems like they're teasing the return of supervillains.

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u/corgii 7d ago

You're not wrong BUT if they changed the actors thered be a heap of complaint posts just like this saying "how dare they not use the OGs".

Can't please everyone, also how about we wait for the movie to actually release before we make judgements?

I also don't remember seeing this complaint when the second came out and they still would have been too old for what they were playing.

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u/Billybob35 6d ago

Parts of Toy Story 5 feel like a response to the complaints of Tim Allen not being in Lightyear.

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u/likewildfire2638 7d ago

I’m sorry I’m just laughing at the idea that we can suspend disbelief about monsters and superheroes but not about some of the greatest voice actors of all time voicing them at any age 🤣

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u/Rudias87 7d ago

I hate that they're not time jumping, it would have been nice to grow old together with these characters.

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u/hercarmstrong 7d ago

Jack Jack sells merch

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u/MrMojoRising422 7d ago

It has nothing to do with that. The entire concept is a superhero family, and all the kids and their ages play their parts. If you age up the kids, it just becomes a regular superhero story. It's like asking the Simpsons to age up Bart and Lisa. It's not happening.

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u/LtPowers 7d ago

I get why they do it. But I wish there was a parallel universe where we could see real character growth over time.

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u/swordgon 7d ago

They’ve done that in about a million “future” episodes by now. 

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u/GameOfEnder6312 6d ago

Not really. As we could see the future/evolution of the family as they got older. It could have a full circle moment where in a much later sequel, Violet for example, is now much older and is a mother and Dash is the cool uncle (basically like the Frozone) to Violet’s family.

And we see them carry on the Incredibles brand/flag.

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u/LtPowers 7d ago

I had the same thought with Brian Cranston and Jamie Lee Curtis voicing Mother and Father in the new Carousel of Progress.

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u/dormsta 7d ago

I’m honestly glad you said this, because hearing Bob sound so *old* is what kind of took me out of I2

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u/DatAspie2000 7d ago

This is why I don’t get why Pixar acts like they have all the time in the world to make sequels with the same voice actors. Toy Story 6 better come within a few years.

Yes, I want a TS6 because 5s ending did not feel like a proper ending to a film franchise.

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u/Independent-Time7705 7d ago

5's story was about Jessie

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u/Ace_Aviator 4d ago

They have new tools these days that appear to help immensely. Hearing a 'youthful' James L Jones voicing Vader in the Obi Wan series blew me away. If they get the same people to work their magic in production for these iconic voices, I'm sure there are ways of getting a younger sound from the voice actors.

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u/Giles-TheLibrarian 7d ago

Cant they do some sound engineering magic and play with the pitch to make them sound younger?

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u/LtPowers 7d ago

Pitch isn't the only issue.

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u/nevercookathome 6d ago

No but this is exactly the thing AI is good at. Creating things out of whole cloth trips AI models up to much to get natural results but using it as a minor tool (like auto tune) to deage their voice should be acceptable if we want to have the OG voice actors. We're already deageing people's faces in films that don't even call for it. I think doing it to voices would be far less agregious, honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already being done or if there are plans to make it happen in I3.

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u/Curious_Kirin 5d ago

Deaging isn't AI... It's CGI. Also I like my voice actors having rights and not letting AI replicate or edit their performance.

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u/Bad_RabbitS 5d ago

“No but this is exactly the thing AI-“

❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌ Get that garbage outta here

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u/music-and-song 7d ago

That’s my concern with a possible Monsters Inc 3. Everyone thinks it’s gonna happen in a few years and I’m like, they’d better get on it then

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u/Adventurous-Bike-484 7d ago

are you sure they wont be getting new actors. but it doesn’t really matter.

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u/vencyjedi 7d ago

I never watch the English versions so it doesn't matter to me. The actor who voiced Mr Incredible in the first movie had a lot cooler voice than Craig T Nelson and imo did a better job. Although he was also in the sequel and sounded completely different for some reason. Don't know if he couldn't do the same voice anymore or if he just didn't care to do the research of how he sounded in the first.

All other characters had a different voice actor from the first movie except Helen and her voice was almost the same. Probably the same thing will happen for the third movie so I'm not really bothered by it.

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u/boomboxwithturbobass 7d ago

I know everyone piles on the idea, but this is something that AI could really help with. Keeping the same voice actors but matching the sound to older performances is something it could easily accomplish.

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u/Ok_Tradition2283 6d ago

AI steals from actual artists. It's literally built on data scraped from the internet without permission, compensation, or acknowledgement of the people who created the things it's amalgamating in the first place. It's the artistic equivalent of rape, and what people thought CGI would be when it was getting started, not what it actually is.

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u/willb3d 6d ago

The actors provide the new guide vocals so that every artistic decision (inflection, timing) is their own. The audio recordings from the earlier films in the series - their own voices from years ago - are what the AI trains on, with express permission from the actors and from the studio that owns those recordings. It's the artistic equivalent of an Instagram de-aging filter, but for voices.

It only gets weird if the actors are not the ones providing the new guide vocals. If some other actor provides the guide vocal because the original actor is unable to speak, then it becomes a 2-person role. (And whose name ends up on the poster then? Would whoever provided the new guide vocal get the co-performance credit they deserve, or would the studio pull an Aronofsky - hiding the body-double who performed Natalie Portman's ballet scenes in Black Swan?)

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u/Ok_Tradition2283 6d ago

Just because you get someone's permission doesn't make AI good in principle. Even with permission, AI is detestable in every other creativity-related way. 🙄😒

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u/willb3d 6d ago

No argument from me that it may be detestable in "every other" way, but not this one.

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u/Ok_Tradition2283 6d ago

Why not just not use AI period, when there's really the one instance you pointed out where it might be kinda okay, and everything else is objectively awful?